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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 20 Sep 2010 : 21:36:46
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Originally posted by toubab1020
OK let's wait for those horses to come galloping in !!
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Yes toubab, you are right. That's why I came back. But they too have to come up with something that can keep the game going, not dead horses
As for the Brikama rally, my understanding is that it went well and even saw some defections from the ruling APRC. It is also my understanding that a video of the rally will be out soon although I haven't being able to authoritatively confirm that.
Regards
I am glad you are having fun
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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ylowe
USA
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Posted - 21 Sep 2010 : 04:39:17
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Yes toubab, you are right. That's why I came back. But they too have to come up with something that can keep the game going, not dead horses
As for the Brikama rally, my understanding is that it went well and even saw some defections from the ruling APRC. It is also my understanding that a video of the rally will be out soon although I haven't being able to authoritatively confirm that.
Regards
Twelve defected to UDP not a good sign. A union is a matter of must. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 21 Sep 2010 : 11:19:46
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Twelve people have "changed their minds" that is not a great number it shows the perception of the average Gambian on any alternative and the fact that that alternative on offer is not viable,will it ever be ?,sorry, unlikely.
It is true to say that any opposition to the present administration faces an uphill struggle.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Sep 2010 : 13:09:03
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Originally posted by toubab1020
Twelve people have "changed their minds" that is not a great number it shows the perception of the average Gambian on any alternative and the fact that that alternative on offer is not viable,will it ever be ?,sorry, unlikely.
It is true to say that any opposition to the present administration faces an uphill struggle.
Yes, I accept that 12 is not a great number but i was only reporting the facts as relayed to me. I didn't even ask the numbers involved. My focus was on the defection of a particular APRC Organiser from Bakau New Town. Having said that though, sometimes even 12 can make a difference in Gambian politics. It all depends on their status in the communities that they live. If they are community leaders in their own right or influencial in their communities, they could carry along a good number of people with them in silence. So is Gambian politics. In any case, if 12 is not a good sign, it is certainly not a bad sign either. In fact it is a plus, not a minus.
I am not sure if I can agree with ylowe that unity is a 'must' since unity can only come about by free will. However, I recognised that unity is essential.
I hope this helps.
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Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 21 Sep 2010 14:26:03 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 21 Sep 2010 : 15:15:38
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OK, 12 is a + ,no doubt,standing in community is very important,my personal view is that the present fragmeted opposition will never be able to get their act together, it would be far better for them to fade away gracefully and others who are able to work together take their place,I have no knowlege of anyone who could achieve this from reading the papers and internet postings.
A younger more modern approach is what is needed to bring about any meaningful opposition.Perhaps headed by a female ?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Sep 2010 : 18:16:20
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Originally posted by toubab1020
OK, 12 is a + ,no doubt,standing in community is very important,my personal view is that the present fragmeted opposition will never be able to get their act together, it would be far better for them to fade away gracefully....
That is defeatism. I do not believe the APRC Should be given a mandate by default. I believe whoever ends up given the mandate to govern must earn it through a contested election. Just my thoughts
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toubab1020
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Posted - 21 Sep 2010 : 18:59:20
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That's not what I meant, a change from the old guard to a new guard may improve results,the old guard has made little headway in the past,although NOW there does appear to be a change where the old guard is prepared to stand up and be counted,lets see what happens with this new approach. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Sep 2010 : 19:39:54
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It is not a question of new guards or old guards, Toubab. It is about unity, which can only be attained through free will and therefore difficult if not impossible for one party to deliver. Human beings are not baskets that you can carry along on your head. Besides, there are no new guards on the ground as of now and not likey to be there before 2011.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 21 Sep 2010 19:42:26 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 21 Sep 2010 : 21:02:39
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| I understand that this has been ONE of the problems all along,only ONE leader is wanted and NO ONE is willing to be the "deputy" as usual its all about power and money,all this talk unfortunatly is getting nowhere and will get no where,until the different factions agree that there can only be one leader and someone has to take second place,political power squabbling maybe interesting to some folk but to form an effective administration you have to tell the voters what YOU are going to DO for THEM.In Africa you have the added complication of tribalism,because of the way the white man drew the lines for countries after the colony was handed back to the people, little or no thought was given to tribal boundries,the lines were drawn and "here is your country OK " I am no expert on history but the biggest movement of people was in the Indian sub continent when the British went, OK that was because of different religions,but I suggest the same effect is in Africa with tribes. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 22 Sep 2010 : 00:51:26
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
It is not a question of new guards or old guards, Toubab. It is about unity, which can only be attained through free will and therefore difficult if not impossible for one party to deliver. Human beings are not baskets that you can carry along on your head. Besides, there are no new guards on the ground as of now and not likey to be there before 2011.
Regards
Am glad that folks are begining to recognize that any form of union has to come as a result of free will and that without the compromise needed it cannot be achieved.
It is always prudent to treat the people you may need wisely even if you don't like them. It is not a sign of weakness but rather a smart and tactical strategy that can probably only come throug life experience.
Sometimes we all have to go throug rough stages of life to realize and learn through the hard way for us to come to those terms.
All of us here should not only wish for a unity but work towards one until we get to where we want to be... It is simply a wise counsel!!! |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 22 Sep 2010 : 01:46:12
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"It is always prudent to treat the people you may need wisely even if you don't like them. It is not a sign of weakness but rather a smart and tactical strategy that can probably only come through life experience."
Wise words, very rational.It is most pleasing to have a discussion that is sensible (even though its about politics ) |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 22 Sep 2010 01:46:48 |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 22 Sep 2010 : 10:05:33
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Originally posted by toubab1020
"It is always prudent to treat the people you may need wisely even if you don't like them. It is not a sign of weakness but rather a smart and tactical strategy that can probably only come through life experience."
Wise words, very rational.It is most pleasing to have a discussion that is sensible (even though its about politics )
Toubab, thanks for the kind words... you see politics in a normal, high standard of living society can be just that politics. It can be a game and some people play it well. Regardless of what party or person comes to power most people will still enjoy their privileges and probably not be too impacted.
However, in the Gambian situation politics is a very serious life and death matter. It could mean between being hopeful to live another day or simply being stripped off your human dignity and any hope of living a decent and respectable life ever...
This is how serious our situation is and many generations to come will be the ones to pay for the consequences of the partisan politics we are playing.
To be honest, some of us here on Bantaba don't know any better, never held real life jobs or have any form of responsibility. From high school some of us simply found ourselves living in the West having plenty in our hands. So it is hard to relate to what the ordinary folks are going through.
The children and most vulnerable are the victims and will be for a very long time. I take these issues very seriously and don't come here to show off some intelligence which is backed with no real life experience...
We should be prudent in helping some of these politicians find a way to get the country back on the right path. Thanks and keep them coming... your participation is much appreciated. |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 22 Sep 2010 : 12:43:44
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I do try to understand The Gambia and her people,I consider myself very lucky to have been able to mix and live with the average Gambian,and away from what has become known as "The strip" it is also refreshing to read what Gambians who have " found ourselves living in the West having plenty in our hands. So it is hard to relate to what the ordinary folks are going through." by picking out this extract from what you have written I hope that you will accept that what I write is not written with any feeling of gloating that "I am better than you". I can relate to the average Gambian because I have lived amongst them and know the daily survival problems that are experienced.As has been written on bantaba before, you cannot equate Gambian politics with politics that are practiced in the west,they HAVE to be designed for the country to which the administration applies.
That said there is a difference in the way that an administration must be run,corruption is in all administrations,it has been pushed under the carpet by politicians everywhere, in the UK for instance over the past few years it has been exposed and dealt with by making government more accountable to the people. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2010 : 14:24:34
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Just to clarify; the reference made to Hon. Sidia Jatta in the UDP Communiqué is not a response to PDOIS's announcement that they have chosen him [Sidia ]as a contact person for inter-party talks but an acknowledgement of the telephone conversation that transpired between the UDP leader and Hon. Jatta, and the agreement reached thereto. It should be noted that Sidia is not an official member of PDOIS. However, we hope that his nexus with the PDOIS leadership will help engender dialogue since the PDOIS leadership particularly Halifa Sallah would not even return calls from the UDP leader let alone talk to him.
Regards
PLEASE STOP SMEARING CAMPAIGN, HATE, DIS-RESPECT,PETTINESS & CARICATURES TO HALIFA SALLAH
YOU MAY RE-VISIT RELATED BANTABA GAMBIAN POLITICS TOPICS;
1. UDP 2010 CONGRESS V PDOIS 2010 CONGRESS under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9532
2. PDOIS Press Release after the UDP congress under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9341
IS THERE ANY REACTION FROM UDP ON THESE STATEMENTS FROM PDOIS PUBLIC NOTICE ABOVE; AS QUOTED BELOW
"PDOIS wrote to UDP before its Congress to indicate to them that the party was waiting for the resolution of the UDP Congress on inter party unity in order to know what form of Alliance could be forged for 2011. "
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 24 Sep 2010 : 10:23:01
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Originally posted by toubab1020
I do try to understand The Gambia and her people,I consider myself very lucky to have been able to mix and live with the average Gambian,and away from what has become known as "The strip" it is also refreshing to read what Gambians who have " found ourselves living in the West having plenty in our hands. So it is hard to relate to what the ordinary folks are going through." by picking out this extract from what you have written I hope that you will accept that what I write is not written with any feeling of gloating that "I am better than you". I can relate to the average Gambian because I have lived amongst them and know the daily survival problems that are experienced.As has been written on bantaba before, you cannot equate Gambian politics with politics that are practiced in the west,they HAVE to be designed for the country to which the administration applies.
That said there is a difference in the way that an administration must be run,corruption is in all administrations,it has been pushed under the carpet by politicians everywhere, in the UK for instance over the past few years it has been exposed and dealt with by making government more accountable to the people.
" by picking out this extract from what you have written I hope that you will accept that what I write is not written with any feeling of gloating that "I am better than you".
Toubab, not an iota of that thought in my mind. You may live or grew up in a society more socially developed but certainly I know you are not better and that is not what you are saying.
I also understand that you can relate to ordinary Gambians by virtue of living and interacting with them.
However, you will never exactly feel the samething that those of us who were born, grew up and lived under oppressive so called democratic regimes. It is hard to understand exactly how it feels to live without access to clean drinking water, healthcare, decent education or good public transportation.
That is my point... at least in the UK and or most part of the developed world, public access to amenities is plenty. That sense of general public welbeing and access is what we don't have in Gambia and other places.
That is why I referenced "Gambian politics is life and death" It is between supporting a dictatorial regime or being deprived of your god given privileges..
Having said all that... I do appreciate your contributions and understanding to some extend the Gambian situation even though you hate politics. |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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