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kobo
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 12 Feb 2011 : 23:24:35
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SORRY MATE THAT'S ILLOGICAL! DO FURTHER RESEARCH PLEASE? HOW CAN A GOVERNMENT EXIST OR SOVEREIGN AUTHORITY RUN THE COUNTRY OR RULE ITS CITIZENS; WITHOUT A CONSTITUTION 
A STATE OF EMERGENCY CAN BE INVOKED AND SUSPEND THE CONSTITUTION TEMPORARILY AT HEAT OF CERTAIN POLITICAL CRISES; FOR EXAMPLE THE CIVIL UNREST AT TUNISIA AND EGYPT!
IS IT CLEAR |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 12 Feb 2011 : 23:38:56
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| EXACTLY, Bro, now you are getting closer and closer, for this train waits for no one. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2011 : 00:36:46
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| WHAT RELEVANCE DOES IT HAVE WITH THIS TOPIC OR WHAT ARE YOUR ISSUES UNDER THIS TOPIC FOR UDP MOBILISING? ANY RELEVANT CONSTITUTIONAL MATTER RELATED TO YOUR RIDICULOUS QUESTIONS FOR TUNISIA AND EGYPT |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2011 : 00:51:21
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| Are you sure you are following the discussion? |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2011 : 01:13:58
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Janko. Just an observation. I am not sure if it is on purpose but you are not clear on your arguments. Your approach is to give as little as opinion possible or give some clue and you expect the audience to understand you or solve your puzzle. I am not even sure if this is a sincere contribution. This is not an criticism on your intellectuality or English communication, it is more about your approach.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 13 Feb 2011 : 01:23:48
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| Thanks, turk |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2011 : 12:02:16
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Originally posted by Janko
Are you sure you are following the discussion?
IS THAT IT? THERE IS NO RELEVANCE AND RIDICULOUS OR ILLOGICAL (WITH DUE RESPECT) TO STATE ON THIS TOPIC THAT;
"With the current wave of regime changes, as we speak, the argument of constitutionality is illegible.
What does the constitution say about "citizen’s initiative" for constitutional reform, amendment or regime change?
'“Constitutional amendments do not occur under normal circumstance”
Let me put it this way, the statement above is derived from common sense, based on personal observation, logical evaluation of similar conditions or circumstances. So it is not a “universal law” that constitutional amendments "only" occur under abnormal circumstances.'" AND "I did not know that Egypt and Tunisia had no constitution ..." ? By Janko
1. WHAT IS YOUR POINT? YOU SHOULD BE GRATEFUL WITH MY REACTIONS
2. WHAT IS RELEVANT AND MAKES SENSE IN THIS TOPIC UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE GAMBIA IS "MERGER OF POLITICAL PARTIES"; ESPECIALLY UDP WITH OR WITHOUT OTHER PARTIES?
3. RELATED BANTABA GAMBIAN POLITICS TOPIC COALITION FORMATION NOTES! UNDER http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10395
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2011 : 17:03:01
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Thanks bro, Kobo...
You do not seem to get the point
But I´ll explain when time allows
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2011 : 17:30:30
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Originally posted by Janko
Constitutional amendments do not occur under normal circumstance
That is not right. In some countries, constitution can change anytime. For example, in Turkey. Normally, legislative assembly require simple majority to change the law. For constitution changes, it is required 2/3 of the vote and the president needs to approve the law. President can return the law back to parliament for review. If the parliament send it back to president again, then president have option to go referendum.
There is a current discussion that, the current government wants to semi-presidential system like France. Turkey is currently based on Westminster, parliamentary based system. This is possible if they change the constitution.
If constitution is approved by the people, people can apply for the constitutional court. But they can only object the 'procedure of the constitution change' not 'the law itself'.
I did not see any reference in Gambian constitution in terms of changing the constitution. Correct me if I am wrong. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2011 : 18:36:35
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turk,
read the first post on page 6, there is no disagreement, here
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 13 Feb 2011 : 21:30:42
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I read it. There is no disagreement on 'normal' and 'abnormal' circumstances.
However, my perspective is that: current constitution of Gambia based on presidential system makes for pre-election coalition unity very difficult as there is no guarantee that the power of smaller parties will be reflected in the new government. If it was Westminster system, that could have been much easier to form coalition/alliance.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2011 : 02:20:08
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Exactly, turk
What am saying is the constitution is sometimes thrown in the garbage-pan. Hence in both Egypt and Tunisia changes came through a kind of "citizen initiative" an "Orange Revolution" kind of thang, where the constitution is bypassed....
Now, am not saying the conditions are similar to Gambia's, or Gambia should follow next.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2011 : 12:41:52
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Janko! THREAD APPEARS TO BE OUT OF CONTEXT,IRRELEVANT & LACKS SUBSTANCE TO DRAW SOUND RESOLUTIONS AND MAKE PRAGMATIC DECISIONS FOR THIS TOPIC
THE ACADEMIC EXERCISE, INTELLECTUAL PROWESS AND SPINNING US ROUND AND ROUND IN THIS DEFINING MOMENT IS NOT TAKING US NOWHERE
THERE IS NO CONSTITUTIONAL CRISES TO MOBILISED OPPOSITION PARTIES OR FORMING A STRATEGIC OR TACTICAL ALLIANCE/MERGER/COALITION WE WANT TO HEAR SOUND PRACTICAL SOLUTIONS TOWARDS THAT STRATEGY AND UNDERSTAND SUBJECT MATTER OF THIS TOPIC; "Why Can't UDP Mobilize Other Opposition Parties!!!"
WHAT IS RELEVANT AND MAKES SENSE IN THIS TOPIC UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE GAMBIA IS "MERGER OF POLITICAL PARTIES"; ESPECIALLY UDP WITH OR WITHOUT OTHER PARTIES
ALSO RELATED BANTABA GAMBIAN POLITICS TOPICS;
1. A Challenge to All Good Folks of the mighty Bantaba under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10302
2. COALITION FORMATION NOTES! under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10395
3. WIND OF CHANGE HYSTERIA! under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=10419 |
Edited by - kobo on 14 Feb 2011 19:45:55 |
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 14 Feb 2011 : 22:11:34
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Thanks, bro Kobo
I'll leave the arena for the well versed, like you, to dictate the solution.
I have to say,Gambian politics needs new blood to move from this stalemate. A new blood that is able to read the times and inspire.
I find it interesting that after 4-5 years we are talking about the same things with the same unshakable positions. What do we learn from and in such 'discussion space'if not contempt.
This beating about is not solving it, ....so |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
Edited by - Janko on 15 Feb 2011 10:40:16 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 15 Feb 2011 : 10:48:02
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Originally posted by Janko
Thanks, bro Kobo
I'll leave the arena for the well versed, like you, to dictate the solution.
HOW CAN I DICTATE THE SOLUTION EVERYONE IS CHALLENGED TO FOCUS ON THE RELEVANCE OF THIS TOPIC FOR COMMON CONSENSUS, SOUND RESOLUTIONS IDENTIFIED, ANY STRATEGY & WAY FORWARD THAT'S ALL WHAT I POINTED OUT |
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