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turk
USA
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 Posted - 03 Sep 2010 : 11:14:13
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I gave this example before but no one had commented. Here is one example for two party unite without actually unite officially. It is called strategic alliance. Here is the example. In riding A, there are Party A, Party B and Party C.
Party A gets 40 votes, Party B get 35, Party C get 25. Obviously Party A wins the riding. However, If Party B and Part C have strategic alliance. Party C does not have a candidate there and supports Party B, potentially Party B would win the seat. Similar arrangement can be made in a favor for Party C in another riding. This way, while parties are still separate entity, in practical terms, they unite maximize their potential seats in the parliament. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 03 Sep 2010 : 11:28:19
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Turk, there was an alliance between UDP and NRP during the last National Assembly Elections but then they were both against NADD and APRC. Unfortunately the entire opposition lost in places where they could have won. Halifa lost his seat because opposition votes were split between NADD and UDP.  |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 03 Sep 2010 : 11:31:01
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| Then my strategic voting makes sense. If unity is not accomplished in one party, strategic election alliance is an alternative to maximize the potential of multiple parties. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 03 Sep 2010 11:31:34 |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 03 Sep 2010 : 14:35:36
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Momodou,
Don’t mind my buddy; he knows very well that I would not let him stand in for me. He started with saying there is no other way and now he is seeing possibilities. The good thing is he accepts, sometimes, that his conclusions are hasty.
Yes, "citizen’s initiative" can take the form of an “Orange Revolution” or the form Kay illustrated. The form it takes depends on the situation, we all know Ukraine was coming from a Soviet kind of system therefore Kay’s illustrated form seem most unlike for such countries.
There is no need of overemphasizing the possibility of Orange turning Red, hence the whole concept from inception is built around taking such safety measures, if not there would be no need to call it "Orange" in the first place. But of course there is nothing without risk but the risk should not be a paralyzing factor -inactivity.
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2010 : 14:48:32
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I am thinking man. My ideas change. I am a reasonable man. I can accept reasonable argument. I appreciate the purpose of debate/brainstorming. I appreciate that in social science, there is no absolute truth, and depends on time, place, reality, there could be different conclusions and solutions. My contribution is usually misunderestimated (Dubya's word), but that is normal, white man's burden in Bantaba. lol.
For orange revolution, you need motivated people. In Gambia, majority is happy and satisfied with the current president.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 03 Sep 2010 14:51:48 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 03 Sep 2010 : 14:55:27
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Turk ?  is that you posting sense ?  great keep it up ,thanks . |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Sep 2010 : 15:46:53
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Originally posted by Momodou
Turk, there was an alliance between UDP and NRP during the last National Assembly Elections but then they were both against NADD and APRC. Unfortunately the entire opposition lost in places where they could have won. Halifa lost his seat because opposition votes were split between NADD and UDP.
It was the opposite as well. In fact NADD started it by contesting against UDP in the presidential election. They were against NRP,UDP and APRC. They cut out a big fight for themselves but could not stomach it in the end, and when their Ayotollah loose his seat, he started crying wolf.
Another thing; Ayatollah Sallah have said in 2007, that politics is not a career but a service and therefore would no longer seek re-election as MP for Serrekunda Central. So there should no longer be a problem sponsoring a united candidate in Serrekunda Central given that the divisive figure has now call it quit.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 03 Sep 2010 20:30:51 |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2010 : 19:42:38
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Originally posted by kobo
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Originally posted by Janyanfara
..... NADD failed because there were elements within who want the continuation of Jammeh dictatorship and the same elements are still using their praise singers to cast doubts amongst us......
I can't digest your statements but gracefully respect your opinions!
dBaldeh hasn't forwarded any valid point but only making open (incomplete) statements or many unsubstantiated remarks to promote politics of discord, partisan and factionalism that appeased UDP militants. That's what you enjoying (with your laugh's) and compliment him together with Momodou quoted; "Dbaldeh and brother Momodou brought valid points and I can assure them all that UDP would have no choise but to be committed to such proposals and would no doubt be ready when ever other oppositions are prepared to put their trust in its leadership. "
The foregoing is exactly in wollof parlance; "raacha taye sa kanaam" instead of thinking in the spirit of SOLIDARITY FOR A COMMON GOAL!
Having appreciated and acknowledged that THERE IS A COMMON GOAL, THEN WHY SHOULD ANY PARTY HIJACK IT THERE ARE MANY OPTIONS FOR THE COMMON GOOD!
ON RATIONALE FOR NADD REFER ANOTHER GAMBIAN OPINION; courtesy of Jollof online news publish a letter What Gambia needs ahead of 2011 elections! under http://www.jollofnews.com/what-gambia-needs-ahead-of-2011-elections.html
PLEASE RE-VISIT OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM TO MAKE IT WORK AS A CONSTITUTION AND BASED ALL STRATEGIC POLICY GOALS AND TACTICAL MOVES ON THEM
WILL BE BACK ON OTHER PENDING OBSERVATIONS!
Brother kobo,
Please calm down, drink some cold water to quench your anger.There is no feud between oppositions. Much of the difference is based on different party ideologies and with maturity by puting the Gambia above all party lines, most of that could be resoulved I belief. Reflect just for once at what lies ahead instead of throwing all your missiles at the wrong target.Please come up with an idea for 2011 and we will debate it out with the membership at this Bantaba forum.
Do understand that going against all forms of a future reconsiliation for the oppositions against Jammeh is a plus for the dictator and a bad for you and I.
I for one would not like to exchange bazookas with you I would rather safe mine for the common enemy.
Peace be onto you in this holy month of ramadan |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 03 Sep 2010 : 21:01:04
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janyanfara
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Much of the difference is based on different party ideologies
I am interested in knowing the ideology of UDP. Can you briefly let us know about the ideology of UDP? As a supporter of UDP, you would inform us about ideology of UDP you support. Thanks in advance. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Janko
Gambia
1267 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2011 : 22:17:39
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With the current wave of regime changes, as we speak, the argument of constitutionality is illegible.
What does the constitution say about "citizen’s initiative" for constitutional reform, amendment or regime change?
'“Constitutional amendments do not occur under normal circumstance”
Let me put it this way, the statement above is derived from common sense, based on personal observation, logical evaluation of similar conditions or circumstances. So it is not a “universal law” that constitutional amendments "only" occur under abnormal circumstances.'
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
Edited by - Janko on 12 Feb 2011 22:23:06 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2011 : 22:33:37
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| WHAT IS RELEVANT AND MAKES SENSE IN THIS TOPIC UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE GAMBIA IS "MERGER OF POLITICAL PARTIES"; ESPECIALLY UDP WITH OR WITHOUT OTHER PARTIES |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 12 Feb 2011 : 22:53:14
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| I did not know that Egypt and Tunisia had no constitution ... |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 12 Feb 2011 : 23:10:34
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| SORRY MATE THAT'S ILLOGICAL! DO FURTHER RESEARCH PLEASE HOW CAN A GOVERNMENT EXIST OR SOVEREIGN AUTHORITY RUN THE COUNTRY OR RULE ITS CITIZENS |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 12 Feb 2011 : 23:14:33
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| SO,WHY BEAT ABOUT THE BUSH |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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