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turk
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 Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 21:08:33
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There is another coalition building exercise going on in Australia at the moment. May be the Gambian opposition should be advised to learn lessons from that too. There is certainly no scarcity of precedents to learn from. You know; UK, Germany, Isreal, Italy, India, Holland, Japan, Senegal, Kenya, Australia etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
LOL.
Australia has already have the election and now separate parties are negotiating government within parliament context. It is post election coalition. Plus, READ below
This Nyari dude has no clue about politics whatsoever. All of the examples, UK, Germany, Israel, Italy, India, Holand, Japan, Australia they are all west minister where multiple parties can share executive power as they are west minister system and the executive authority is formed within parliament. GAMBIA IS BASED ON PRESIDENTIAL SYSTEM. I mean his lack of political knowledge is getting hilarious. Gambia has totally different situation. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 21:10:57
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| Can anyone address my point of political system being Presidential vs West Minister being obstacle for establishing coalition with multiple parties? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 21:20:55
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Turk, read the Gambian Constitution here: http://www.ncce.gm/files/constitution.pdf
Perhaps you can start another topic instead of broadening this one to "Presidential vs West Minister"  |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 21:25:23
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| I already read it. But Presidential vs West Minister is relevant to the topic on the hand. I am not discussion these systems. The differences of these two systems present difficult situation for forming unity multiple political parties. It is relevant. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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shaka
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 21:30:48
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Indeed Turk. Word to the wise. Your independent opinion is greatly valued here. Beside NADD is only a political party on paper but in practice it is supposed to be a programme(of two to five years) of rectification and restoration of our democratic process to inject a level playing field for all citizens and parties. No single party can claim or highjack the ownership of this programme. If individuals and political parties fear this democratic process you just have to wonder what their true motives are.quote:
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I entirey agree with these suggestions. Infact, these are some of the things UDP aspires to deliver to the Gambian people if given the mandate to govern. So I see no problem here at least from a UDP perspective.
Lol. This dude is funny. Agree on what? First of all these are the areas a party is obliged to deliver. How is the agreement put on the legal framework without a party entity? Any document between parties does not mean anything when election is completed. Correct me if I am wrong on if there is anything in constitution supporting that? If a president is elected that has executive power on the items Momodou listed, why would the president would follow an agreement that has no constitutional base? The agreement would not have any more value than 'gentlemen agreement' and we know there is no such thing in politics. Without a single party like NADD, there is no way multiple opposition parties can be led by one party.
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shaka
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 21:45:26
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It is more like Authoritarian vs Westminster. A Presidential everywhere else on this planet permits a second round of voting in the event that no single party commands a majority. What we have in the Gambia is an executive and parliamentary dictatorship where parliament becomes the tool of the executive. No one will sleepwalk us into another authoritarian regime.quote:
Originally posted by turk
I already read it. But Presidential vs West Minister is relevant to the topic on the hand. I am not discussion these systems. The differences of these two systems present difficult situation for forming unity multiple political parties. It is relevant.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 21:58:09
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| Here is a question. If parties have some document on agreement on 'coalition' and elected president choose different policies than the policies stated in document, what happens? In Parliamentary system, the coalition partners have a power to bring down the government. In Gambia, do parties have any power to bring down the President? When president is elected, can he or she resign from his or her party? If he or she does, what happens? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Senegambia
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 22:14:00
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Turk I think you should start a new topic regarding constitutional aspects of a possible coalition thank you very much.
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Here is a question. If parties have some document on agreement on 'coalition' and elected president choose different policies than the policies stated in document, what happens? In Parliamentary system, the coalition partners have a power to bring down the government. In Gambia, do parties have any power to bring down the President? When president is elected, can he or she resign from his or her party? If he or she does, what happens?
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shaka
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 22:25:14
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| There is no provision in the constitution of the Republic of the Gambia for any of the eventualities that you have raised except the last. Yes, a president can resign from his or her party. In that event, the position of the presidency becomes vacant and the Speaker of the House of Representative assumes power while a bi-election for President of the Republic is called. How the [President who resigned] will negotiotiate parliament if he/she happens to regain his/her seat is something else. Because he/she would not have single representative in parliament unless ofcourse he contested in the name of an existing party with clout in parliament. I don't foresee any such eventualities in the Gambia. Thanks for scrambling my brains. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 22:30:47
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I think you need to re-read my posts to see the relation and the implication of Gambian Constitution that is relevant to the question "Why Can't UDP Mobilize Other Opposition Parties!!!". Can't you see the real issue here the format of unity. The constitution does not present many options for the coalition of multiple parties. There is no other format for unity of opposition other than 'single party'.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Senegambia
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 22:51:21
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You are the only one, as far as I know, who thinks "there is no other format for unity of opposition other than 'single party'"..
I still think you should start a new topic where you can debate constitutional aspects of a posible coalition.
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Originally posted by turk
Senegambia
I think you need to re-read my posts to see the relation and the implication of Gambian Constitution that is relevant to the question "Why Can't UDP Mobilize Other Opposition Parties!!!". Can't you see the real issue here the format of unity. There is no other format for unity of opposition other than 'single party'.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 23:10:39
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| To the self-style constitutional experts; please pack-up and go away. You have no clue what you are talking about. You are putting off people with substance to participate in this all important debate. You displayed nothing but traits of a complete ignoramus. The readership doesn't deserve to be bombarded with yours nonsensical crap. |
I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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shaka
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 23:38:05
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Don't you just wish that i dissapear for good so that you and your "glueless" Taliban pal can ram an accidental political party like the UDP down our throats. I've seen so many questions asked of your party here in this forum, why are you Mr Propaganda suddenly tongue tied. Are you that "glueless" of your own party policies. You are shaming your Party Nyamato Daffeh. Sorry to dissapoint but you will be smelling the fart that comes out of my behind for a long time in this forum.quote:
Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
To the self-style constitutional experts; please pack-up and go away. You have no clue what you are talking about. You are putting off people with substance to participate in this all important debate. You displayed nothing but traits of a complete ignoramus. The readership doesn't deserve to be bombarded with yours nonsensical crap.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 27 Aug 2010 : 00:04:51
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Tell us how there would be unity/coalition without 'single party'. Enlighten us. And educate us on the following issues:
- How does constitution enable pre-election and post-election coalitions? For example in West Minister system, post-election coalition parties forming government have power to withdraw the support for the coalition government that would result the PM to seek another coalition or eventual early election call. In Gambian system, once the president is elected how is he or she is forced to stick to any coalition agreement?
- Presidential system USA, there are only two mainstream parties. Multiple parties in Gambia just do not fit to the system. There is already unity of right and left in USA. There are some marginal parties like Nadeer (Green) and previous Reform party) but they never had chance to be taken seriously.
Gambia has two options. One is "one and only party" running against current government. Or, consider changing system to west minister so that multiple parties can work together pre or post election times. If there is other format, let us know.
After all Kobo is right. There is no other way other than NADD to unite opposition. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27 Aug 2010 : 00:33:21
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
There is another coalition building exercise going on in Australia at the moment. May be the Gambian opposition should be advised to learn lessons from that too. There is certainly no scarcity of precedents to learn from. You know; UK, Germany, Isreal, Italy, India, Holland, Japan, Senegal, Kenya, Australia etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.
Regards
AS LAWYER DARBOE PARTY LEADER OF UDP APPEARS TO BE A GOOD MENTOR TO YOU AND SOMEONE WHO HAS DEMONSTRATED IN THIS FORUM SOUND COMPETENCE & UNDERSTANDING THE LAW, ESPECIALLY THE CONSTITUTION OF THE GAMBIA; PLEASE HELP US TO UNDERSTAND:-
1. CAN COALITION/ALLIANCE BE CONSTITUTED BEFORE OR AFTER ELECTIONS IN THE GAMBIA
2. WHICH OPTION ( BEFORE OR AFTER) IS FEASIBLE UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE GAMBIA
3. HOW IS COALITION/ALLIANCE APPLICABLE UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE GAMBIA
4. WHAT PRECEDENTS TO LEARN FROM THOSE COUNTRIES MENTIONED AS EXAMPLES
5. WHICH LAW IS OPERATIVE FOR COALITION/ALLIANCE UNDER THE CONSTITUTION OF THE GAMBIA
6. WHAT "LESSONS SHOULD GAMBIAN OPPOSITION PARTIES LEARN"
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