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turk
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 Posted - 09 Aug 2010 : 13:33:25
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Kayjatta
I thought you were going to address the facts, but you only provide your biased opinion. Explain the GDP changes. Let us make progress. If you can't address the the factual evidence I provided about the trend, we can't progress further. Here is my question. From 1980 to 2015, when look at the GDP facts, it is obvious GDP of non-western countries i.e. China, Brazil, Indonesia, India, Turkey are taking over and the GDP of western powers decreasing. My facts are clear. Are you denying these facts? You are ignoring the facts and you provide rhetoric. I am not exaggerated anything, I simply provided the facts. For a moment let us be neither anti-western propagandist or western propagandist. What does the science of mathematics tells you? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 08:10:10
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Turk:
The problem is not the trend of GDP growth. There is no dispute that China is experiencing unprecedented growth. I have cited several experts who acknowledged that.
The dispute is how you interpret that trend of growth. Your interpretation is that "China is going to be the next superpower". I am telling you that that statement is bogus and fueled only by an anti-Western sentiment. While China experience growth, there is no indication that Western economies will continue to slide for the next decades. I have cited several experts on China, some of them Chinese citizens, who are worried about the sustainability of economic growth in China because of many inherent instabilities. I have also drawn your attention to the fact that growth is not always linear . There are booms that are often followed by sudden busts, and China contrary to your romantism of Chinese economy and power, is not immune to such drastic fate. this is my point!!! |
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Moe
USA
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Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 08:49:44
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| Turk I think you should know by now that once things get complicated Kayjatta the science teacher does not follow conventional rules. He likes to make bogus and biased opinions based on none other than Kay assumptions. Rest this case Kay The Turk man took you for a ride.......................................................Peace |
I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 08:54:38
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Originally posted by Moe
Turk I think you should know by now that once things get complicated Kayjatta the science teacher does not follow conventional rules. He likes to make bogus and biased opinions based on none other than Kay assumptions. Rest this case Kay The Turk man took you for a ride.......................................................Peace
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 11:49:02
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| It is not romanticism. It is pessimism. I live in western world, that worries me. The only optimism I have is to retire in Gambia or Turkey both rising stars. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 11:56:02
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Originally posted by turk
It is not romanticism. It is pessimism. I live in western world, that worries me. The only optimism I have is to retire in Gambia or Turkey both rising stars.
I agree, the Gambia's economy has been growing extra-ordinarily for the past few years; and Jammeh himself has claimed that the Gambia will be the "next superpower..."  |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 10 Aug 2010 : 11:59:58
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| You got that right! lol |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 09:14:05
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100816/ap_on_bi_ge/as
_japan_economy;_ylt=At47VYwWbvZVxbX5KJBNcOhbbBAF;
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3BvcwM1BHBvcwM1BHNlYwN5bl90b3Bfc3RvcmllcwRzb
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EXERPT FROM THE LINK ABOVE AS THE EXPERTS SPEAK:
“China's rise has produced glaring contradictions.
The wealth gap between an elite who profited most
from three decades of reform and its poor
majority is so extreme that China has dozens of billionaires
while average income for the rest of its 1.3 billion people is among the world's lowest.
Japan's people still are among the world's
richest, with a per capita income of $37,800 last year,
compared with China's $3,600. So are Americans at $42,240,
their economy still by far the biggest.
"We should be concerned about per capita GDP,"
said Kyohei Morita, chief economist at
Barclays Capital in Tokyo. China overtaking Japan
"is just symbolic," he said. "It's nothing more than that."” |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 16 Aug 2010 : 20:35:36
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Hmmm. He is Japanese. He must be bitter. I understand.
Even US thinks Chinese military is getting stronger too
Sorry Kayjatta, your own link also continues:
quote:
But the symbolism may be exactly the "wake-up call" Japanese leaders need, said Schulz of the Fujitsu Research Institute. "Japan is always strangely inward looking," he said. "And nobody is doing anything about it."
Japan's people appear resigned to the power shift. A national poll conducted earlier this year by the Asahi, one of Japan's biggest newspapers, showed a roughly equal split between those that believed Japan's fall to No. 3 posed a major problem and those who did not. More than half of the 2,347 respondents said Japan does not need to be a global superpower.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 16 Aug 2010 20:39:02 |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2010 : 07:11:46
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Originally posted by turk
Hmmm. He is Japanese. He must be bitter. I understand.
Even US thinks Chinese military is getting stronger too
This argument is irrelevant Turk! You keep shifting the issue. The question at issue is not whether "Chinese economy or military is getting stronger". We have all acknowledged that it is. We disagree on the extent and the meaning of that growth. The question at issue is whether "China is the next superpower" and that whether "Chinese economy will overtake U.S. economy".
Please refer to you original comments. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2010 : 08:22:46
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All of the posts, trends, evidences,facts and figures suggest that east is rising and west is on decline. I am looking at 45 years ago where there was absolute dominance of west while now, east is taking over in all areas.
It is not me, everyone else are thinking the same thing.
nobel winner
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 17 Aug 2010 08:32:32 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 17 Aug 2010 : 08:42:03
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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concort
365 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2010 : 13:10:19
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http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/us_usa_china_sea
U.S. says SE Asia concerned by China assertiveness
MANILA (Reuters) – The head of the U.S. military Pacific Command said Chinese assertiveness in the South China Sea was causing concern in the region, and said the United States would work to ensure security and protect important trade routes.
The United States military had been present in the region for 150 years and would remain there for many more, Admiral Robert Willard told reporters on Wednesday after meeting the head of the Philippine military, Lieutenant-General Ricardo David.
"We discussed the assertiveness that we're experiencing by the Chinese in the South China Sea and the concerns that that has generated within the region," he said, saying the United States did not take sides in the territorial disputes in the region and adhered to international conventions.
"Our purpose there is to maintain security, when you consider the sealines of communication that criss-cross this very strategic and important region of the ocean, they carry the majority of commerce for this part of the world," he said, saying the U.S. Navy would work with "our partners in the region."
"The overall security, the maritime security and security of the airspace, in these international waters is vitally important."
The United States and South Korea last month held a joint naval drill in the Sea of Japan off the Korean peninsula, which brought condemnation from China, which answered with its own heavily publicized military exercises.
Captain Rudy Lupton, commander of the USS Blue Ridge, the command and control ship of the U.S. Navy's 7th Fleet based in Japan, said earlier this month China should act "responsibly" in the South China Sea.
Brunei, Malaysia, Vietnam, the Philippines, China and Taiwan all stake claims over territory in the South China Sea, which is rich in energy and a major shipping route. All except Brunei have a military presence in the area, and the boundary claims have sparked deadly naval clashes.
Southeast Asian states have become worried by China's increasingly aggressive stance on the complex set of disputes. In late July, Chinese naval forces carried out drills in the disputed southern waters amid tension with Washington over security on the Korean peninsula and in the South China Sea.
U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton upset China when she raised the issue of territorial claims at the ASEAN regional forum in July, and supported a multilateral approach to resolving them.
Beijing wants to handle the disputes on a one-on-one basis.
"What the U.S. opposes is any resort of force or forms of coercion to stake this claims on the part of any single nation at the expense of the others," Willard said.
Asked about recent build-ups of military and naval capabilities by countries with claims on the South China Sea, both Willard and David said it was understandable self-interest to protect their interests, and it could help ensure peace.
"So this is about preventing conflict, not allowing any of the circumstances in the region to lead up to a shooting war," Willard said.
(Writing by John Mair; Editing by Nick Macfie)
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2010 : 22:34:23
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Does anyone have figures for how many chinese have relocated to Africa in recent years?
China is expansionist and as a communist country is anti religion of any kind.
China will invest in a country with no concern about human rights etc in that country. There is no moral content to the investment.
But no government gives something for nothing.
One day there will be a reckoning.
The question is what does China want from Africa and will they pay a fair price?
They haven't had to invade, or have wars....African leaders have invited them in.
African countries need to think ahead to who they want to be beholden to in the future. It is creating a new dependency.
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
1350 Posts |
Posted - 18 Aug 2010 : 22:56:55
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I totally agree with our very dear gambiabev despite we sometimes disagree on some issues but I belief we disagree to agree.That is the beauties of an open discussion.China is bad news for developing nations.It persues its interest regardless of any respect for the plight of the oppressed and I belief that should have been the focus of attention in this discussion not weither they are progressing at the expence of their citizenry and other poor nations they poke their noses to shape help oppressors against the oppressed.
Isalute all of you in this discussion as most postings are all constructive but lark the merits of dignity for the maginalised people.
Jajanyanfara.
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Does anyone have figures for how many chinese have relocated to Africa in recent years?
China is expansionist and as a communist country is anti religion of any kind.
China will invest in a country with no concern about human rights etc in that country. There is no moral content to the investment.
But no government gives something for nothing.
One day there will be a reckoning.
The question is what does China want from Africa and will they pay a fair price?
They haven't had to invade, or have wars....African leaders have invited them in.
African countries need to think ahead to who they want to be beholden to in the future. It is creating a new dependency.
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