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Prince
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 Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 13:48:47
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Kenya has deported a Jamaican-born Muslim cleric notorious for preaching racial hatred to The Gambia, Kenya's immigration minister says.
"In fact the information we have is that he has already landed there and Gambia has received him."
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8445844.stm
Why did Gambia accept this rogue deportee with a criminal record. What will Gambia gain from harboring him? IMHO- return to sender!
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"When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty." |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 14:00:34
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These quotes from the BBC link.
(Except the bit about, What planet do these people live on?, which is mine.)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8445844.stm
"There have been protests from Muslim human rights groups about his treatment.
Al-Amin Kimathi, of the Muslim Human Rights Forum, said Faisal should have been sent to Jamaica."
"It was his wish that he be taken to Jamaica, but not any other place," Kenya's Daily Nation newspaper quotes Mr Kimathi as saying.
He alleged Faisal was "being mistreated on the basis of his alleged past record".
What planet do these people live on,?
"The cleric has served four years in a UK prison after being convicted of soliciting the murder of Jews and Hindus."
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 07 Jan 2010 14:03:01 |
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Prince
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 14:17:29
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Toubab,
It bothers me that our policymakers are putting Gambia on a fast path to being branded as a state sponsor of terror... This could ruin tourism, put special travel restriction on Gambian (hurt remittances) and further isolate us from the league of civilize nations.
Maybe, i'm too paranoid again! |
"When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty." |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 15:38:27
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What you say is true,I suspect that in this instance the answer is more simple,and that is nobody in the administration bothered to tell the immigration staff at the airport that this person should not be let in,if that is the case then I doubt if you will hear any more about this provided this person with a conviction keeps his mouth shut and dosn't rock the boat then the matter may disappear,one problem might be that the immigrant might have to register as an Alien if he is to work or apply for a residents permit,the immigrant can be found very easily if required by the administration,who knows wait and see.
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Originally posted by Prince
Toubab,
It bothers me that our policymakers are putting Gambia on a fast path to being branded as a state sponsor of terror... This could ruin tourism, put special travel restriction on Gambian (hurt remittances) and further isolate us from the league of civilize nations.
Maybe, i'm too paranoid again!
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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mavaric
Turkmenistan
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 16:40:44
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| Just saw it on CNN.. and the news anchor questioned why he chose to go to The Gambia . Its apparently to do with logistics as there are no direct flights to Jamaica. Well, I am not aware of any direct flights from Gambia to Jamaica either.. hmm |
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Momodou
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Dalton1
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 17:32:33
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Prince et al,
Something is not clicking on this one..
First, allow me the opportunity to condemn in the strongest terms any form of intolerance, including race, tribe, religion, etc..
kenya, last time I checked was involved in some tribal brawls that almost reuined that country...we all know. All of a sudden, they are so righteous and clean to deport someone possibly guilty of the same crimes they themselves committed...
I think Kenya is playing to the gallery of cheap popularity, wanting to impress Western nations.
I am ssure there are two sides to the coin...we are only seeing one, for now. Let us hear the other side as well.
Thanks.
yj
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 17:48:21
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As Dalton1 says,"Something is not clicking on this one.."
PROBABLY THE TRUTH
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 07 Jan 2010 23:36:51 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 17:55:03
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Al-Amin Kimathi,seemed to think that he may be flown to Somalia
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Originally posted by Momodou
This is definitely not a good publicity for the Gambia.
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"El-Faisal's deportation to the West African nation of Gambia had been delayed because several countries, including the United States, had denied him a transit visa."
http://english.aljazeera.net/news/africa/2010/01/20101713204415991.html
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Prince
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 20:34:44
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quote:
Originally posted by Dalton1
Prince et al,
Something is not clicking on this one..
First, allow me the opportunity to condemn in the strongest terms any form of intolerance, including race, tribe, religion, etc..
kenya, last time I checked was involved in some tribal brawls that almost reuined that country...we all know. All of a sudden, they are so righteous and clean to deport someone possibly guilty of the same crimes they themselves committed...
I think Kenya is playing to the gallery of cheap popularity, wanting to impress Western nations.
I am ssure there are two sides to the coin...we are only seeing one, for now. Let us hear the other side as well.
Thanks.
yj
It is true that Kenya maybe messed up and they are rejecting the cleric to score cheap popularity points with the west... but that has nothing to do with him coming to Gambia.
This case is not about tribe or religion, its all about politics: we should only be concerned with what furthers Gambia's self interest.
Like Mavaric said, there are no direct flights from Gambia to Jamaica or from Kenya. Hence, he shouldn't be in Gambia because his presence has no visible evidence to furthering our "interest."
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 20:51:15
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Below part of a statement made by the President on 20th Sept 2009.
Muslim elders call on President Jammeh - from Statehouse website.
President Jammeh stressed the fact that he is not going to compromise the peace and security of this country to anything, and added that if anybody wants to disturb the peace of this country or is anti progress. This country, he said, is not a place for such people because there will be zero tolerance as far as peace and security is concerned.
Let us look at the President's reaction to giving Abdullah a home.
http://www1.nefafoundation.org/reports.html
(3rd report down with links to speeches)
I can think of nothing better than seeing Abdullah al-Faisal on the next flight out of The Gambia.
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 22:43:59
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Sab,
Welcome back, and I wish you a happy & prosperous 2010. I will check the links as time permits me. thanks.
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Kenya has deported to The Gambia a Jamaican-born Muslim cleric notorious for preaching racial hatred,
Prince,
Critical matter at hand which requires critical judgment. It is ironical how the U.S, UK, etc...the very administrations who said they are fighting terror are not ready to get him now, if at his terror engagements are justified under a court of law. How much bigger does he need to grow?
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/asiapcf/01/07/afghanistan.cia.al.qaeda/index.html
It is funny how some of these extreme folks can change litmus, going terrorist or CIA at some point in life. Becareful, because some of some are double agents...
On the image it will put on Gambia, I entirely agree that it will put the Gambia on the radar again. I am eager to hear more about the public's opinion on this.
yj
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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Dalton1
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 22:58:13
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we should only be concerned with what furthers Gambia's self interest.
Prince,
I am sure you meant to say, as Gambians, we should be concerned. Yes, that i agree with.
The "ONLY" there, I totally disagree with. If Turk would borrow me, I would rather be an internationalist than a nationalist. The world is a global village now, especially the fact most of us are raising families outside the Gambia. Till when? Only God knows.
thanks for sharing your thoughts.
yj |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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kayjatta
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Posted - 08 Jan 2010 : 07:54:31
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"At the age of 16 he went to Saudi Arabia - where he is believed to have spent eight years - and became a Muslim.
He took a degree in Islamic Studies in the Saudi capital of Riyadh, before coming back to the UK.
Faisal spent years travelling the UK preaching racial hatred urging his audience to kill Jews, Hindus and Westerners". BBC.
That sounds like a nice degree, since a degree is as good as what you can do with it; right Tamsier
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turk
USA
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Posted - 08 Jan 2010 : 09:08:41
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OK. Did he commit any crime in Kenya and convicted? He commited a crime in UK and prisoned. So, his deportation is fair or not regardless of his ideology.
Let us get some legal advise from Kayjatta who opposes his deportation if there is no criminal conviction. :) |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 08 Jan 2010 : 09:21:39
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Turk, I do not give legal advice because I am not an attorney and have no legal qualifications. However, I will say that it is my opinion that Mr. Faisal should not have been deported dispite his virulent preaching and militant Islamic views. Depending on the extent to which his preaching instigates imminent danger or violence, he may be protected by free speech.
But in most countries including the U.S. felons of foreign nationals are eligible for deportaion... |
Edited by - kayjatta on 08 Jan 2010 09:25:07 |
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