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toubab1020
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kayjatta
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 Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 06:47:44
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They will almost certainly discuss security issues; Kukoie and the large number of Gambian dissidents in Senegal. Cassamance may also be mentioned.
This visit by President Wade follows a visit by his top diplomat (Foreign Affairs Minister, I guess) to the Gambia. It is a confidence building act after accusations of a "Wade/Kukoie plot" against the Gambian government peddled by the Daily Observer... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 11:51:55
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Thanks Kay, I missed the "Wade/Kukoie plot" story.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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mansasulu
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 15:01:18
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| Presidential Perogative/Privelege perhaps...Helloooooo! Can two neighbouring heads of state meet without us speculating what they must be talking about? Who knows...they probably just drinking attaya and nothing more and that will be totally appropriate. Considering the proximity between Senegal and Gambia, it should be more frequent. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 05 Jan 2010 : 15:12:10
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Yes, Quite so they must be just good mates ! 
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Presidential Perogative/Privelege perhaps...Helloooooo! Can two neighbouring heads of state meet without us speculating what they must be talking about? Who knows...they probably just drinking attaya and nothing more and that will be totally appropriate. Considering the proximity between Senegal and Gambia, it should be more frequent.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 08:56:59
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Originally posted by kayjatta
They will almost certainly discuss security issues; Kukoie and the large number of Gambian dissidents in Senegal. Cassamance may also be mentioned.
This visit by President Wade follows a visit by his top diplomat (Foreign Affairs Minister, I guess) to the Gambia. It is a confidence building act after accusations of a "Wade/Kukoie plot" against the Gambian government peddled by the Daily Observer...
Senegal's president visits Gambia to warm up ties
(AFP) – 17 hours ago
BANJUL — Senegal's President Abdoulaye Wade arrived Tuesday in Banjul for a 24-hour working visit to Gambia to warm up relations between the neighbouring countries, officials said.
Gambia's President Yahya Jammeh met Wade at the airport, then the two took roads lined with flags of both nations towards the hotel in the city centre where the Senegalese delegation will be staying.
Many residents turned out to see Wade, 83, who will be with Jammeh to discuss security and the economy, and the situation in Casamance, where an armed separatist movement has been active since 1982, according to an official Gambian source.
Gambia, a former British colony, is a small enclave in French-speaking Senegal, apart from its Atlantic coast. It divides the north from Casamance, which is the southern province of Senegal. Rebels of the Casamance Movement of Democratic Forces (MFDC) have often used Gambia as a rear base.
"In as much as the two leaders hold their discussion, the tendency is that not much will come out of it," Gambian political analyst Ebrihim Samba told AFP. "The relations between the two countries have gone to a stage that trust between the two heads of states cannot be easily guaranteed."
Relations between the neighbouring countries were recently chilled by a letter attributed to a Gambian opposition figure, Kukoi Samba Sanyang, who asked Wade early in November to help him overthrow the Gambian government, according to Gambian state media.
Sanyang is already accused of trying in August 1981 to oust Gambia's first president, Dawda Jawara. He lives in Senegal, according to the Gambian media, and Gambian authorities accuse Senegal of harbouring numerous other Gambian dissidents.
During his visit, Wade will meet representatives of the Senegalese community in Gambia, which is estimated at about 500,000 people.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jyZ2GxpyVJJLbCEdZVljZQQRUL0A |
Edited by - kayjatta on 06 Jan 2010 09:02:18 |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 09:04:31
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quote:
Originally posted by mansasulu
Presidential Perogative/Privelege perhaps...Helloooooo! Can two neighbouring heads of state meet without us speculating what they must be talking about? Who knows...they probably just drinking attaya and nothing more and that will be totally appropriate. Considering the proximity between Senegal and Gambia, it should be more frequent.
No attaya afterall. It was all about security, economics, and Cassamance. I wasn't too far off I guess. We cannot afford attaya for the two presidents... |
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Momodou
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Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 14:56:24
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Senegal/Gambia Presidents Meet Face to Face
By Saikou Jammeh
 The Senegalese President Abdoulie Wade yesterday morning arrived in the Gambia for a one-day working visit and was received at the airport by the Gambian President Yahya Jammeh.
The two leaders, according to reports monitored on GRTS were expected to have a dialogue at the statehouse yesterday afternoon, and a joint communiqué will be signed, before the Senegalese leader will leave today morning.
The Daily news could not say what the two leaders discussed, because as usual, the independent (private) media are being denied coverage of state functions and other events at the statehouse.
The reason for Wade’s visit as such is not ascertained, however an analyst said the conversation between the two leaders would focus mainly on what has been seen as a ‘fragile’ relationship between the two countries.
The two countries undoubtedly shared many things in common, even one time a confederation during the regimes of former heads of state of two countries – Dawda Jawara and Abdou Diouf - was constituted but short-lived as well.
However the relationship between the two countries have over the years been stressed, due to accusations and counter accusations of one country supporting another’s enemies on the other.
This ‘uneasy’ relationship could be sensed when the state-owned radio while giving a live broadcast yesterday, were caught circumventing, using local adage such as ryero amud, nyakademo mo am, (meaning literally misunderstanding exist where there is no dialogue).
“Wade’s visit is wonderful”, the Gambian Ambassador to Senegal told GRTS at the airport few minutes after Senegalese President disembarked. “I pray the outcome of the meeting between the two countries will strengthen the relationship between Banjul and Dakar”.
The national broadcaster went on to ask the paramount Chief Demba Sanyang of what he think should exist between the two countries? In response he said: “Peace and stability”.
Infact, the Senegalese leader’s visit came exactly two weeks after his foreign minister Madicke Niang came into the country accompanied by the Gambian Foreign minister Ousman Jammeh.
After having had a discussion with the President, Niang was questioned whether his visit is in connection with the peace dialogue forwarded. But he said he is on a sub-regional tour as new foreign minister of Senegal, starting in The Gambia.
He however said he is convinced the two countries will foster continued relationship. “We have now identified the channels of communication between me and my Gambian counterpart [Foreign Affairs Minister]… the two countries now notice a new face in their relationship.
President Wade arrived at 10 am at the International Airport where President Jammeh received him amid other dignitaries including the vice president, diplomatic corps, traditional rulers, National Assembly members, among others.
Earlier on Monday, the officials from the party secretariat were seen on the state TV and as news monitored on the radio, the Senegalese leader was accorded an unparalleled reception at Banjul as he arrived in a black suite.
The two countries undoubtedly shared many things in common, but their relationship has been marred with suspicions, accusations and counter accusations.
Source: Daily News |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 19:05:50
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You missed the point...the point is noone here on Bantaba can difinatively say what they are/were discussing. Speculating in realms that we are all well to familiar with is mere poppycock. Perhaps you are the "official Gambian source" you story is quoting. What two Presidents discuss in private is noone's business, that is why it is called Presidential Perogative. Oh yeah...I wont be surprised if Wade brought along some 'Cafe Touba' to share with Jammeh in addition to the Attaya. Who knows there mere even be some 'Wonjoh' and Icee Bui (Baobab) too.quote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Presidential Perogative/Privelege perhaps...Helloooooo! Can two neighbouring heads of state meet without us speculating what they must be talking about? Who knows...they probably just drinking attaya and nothing more and that will be totally appropriate. Considering the proximity between Senegal and Gambia, it should be more frequent.
No attaya afterall. It was all about security, economics, and Cassamance. I wasn't too far off I guess. We cannot afford attaya for the two presidents...
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
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toubab1020
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Posted - 06 Jan 2010 : 19:10:08
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I disagree sorry, Kay was spot on 
OK they probabably did have Attaya, Cafe Touba...Hmmmmmmm don't think so !
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 07:29:08
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quote:
Originally posted by mansasulu
You missed the point...the point is noone here on Bantaba can difinatively say what they are/were discussing. Speculating in realms that we are all well to familiar with is mere poppycock. Perhaps you are the "official Gambian source" you story is quoting. What two Presidents discuss in private is noone's business, that is why it is called Presidential Perogative. Oh yeah...I wont be surprised if Wade brought along some 'Cafe Touba' to share with Jammeh in addition to the Attaya. Who knows there mere even be some 'Wonjoh' and Icee Bui (Baobab) too.
Mansasulu naivity is unacceptable. Unless you do not understand the politics of the sub-region; unless you do not understand the psychology of the sub-region; unless you do not understand the mood and feelings in the Sene-Gambia, it should not be that hard to get an idea of what the two presidents will naturally talk about when they meet. Even for someone like me in far away United States without immediate access to the streets of Banjul or the State House's diplomatic protocol, it is possible to say with a good degree of certainty what the two presidents are both pre-occupied with: security, economics, and Cassamance issues. The Sene-Gambian people want them to confront those issues and are willing to pay them for that. But the Sene-Gambian people cannot afford to pay them to sit down and drink attaya or wonjo . They have squandered enough of our money. Besides, the two presidents are not comfortable in each other's presence. There is simply too much tension between Banjul and Dakar for an 'attaya summit'...
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 12:49:26
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Bang on again Kay
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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mansasulu
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 16:12:55
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Below is the text of official communique...if we had exercised some patience we would have resorted to wild speculation about all that Kukoi nonsense and stuff. The fact is noone here is privy to the actual talks or in the know of what the two Heads of State actually discussed.
"At the invitation of his brother and friend, His Excellency Sheikh Professor Alhagie Dr. Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh President and Head of State of the Republic of The Gambia, His Excellency Maitre Abdoulaye Wade, President and Head of State of the Republic of Senegal, paid an official visit to the Republic of The Gambia on Tuesday 5th and Wednesday 6th January, 2010.
His Excellency Maitre Abdoulaye Wade was accompanied to The Gambia by a high-ranking delegation comprising Maitre Madicke Niang, Minister of State and Minister of State for Foreign Affairs, Madame Awa Ndiaye, Minister of State at the Presidency, Madam Innocence Ntap, Minister of State at the Presidency, Mr. Moustapha Sourang, Minister of State at the Presidency, Madame Ndeye Khady Diop, Minister of State and Minister responsible for the Family, Food Security, Women's Entrepreneurship, Micro-finance, and Young Children, Mr Abdourahim Agne, Minister for Telecommunications, Road, and Rail Transport, Mr. Kalidou Diallo, Minister for Early Childhood, Primary, Secondary Education and National Languages, Mr. Samuel Amete Sarr, Minister of Energy, and other Senior Government Officials.
His Excellency Maitre Abdoulaye Wade and his delegation were met on arrival at Banjul International Airport by His Excellency Sheikh Professor Alhagie Dr. Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh, President of the Republic of The Gambia. Her Excellency the Vice President, the Honourable Speaker of the National Assembly, His Lordship the Chief Justice, Cabinet Ministers, Members of the Diplomatic and Consular Corps, Religious and Traditional Leaders, and a cross section of the Gambian society.
During the visit, the two Heads of State had a tête-à-tête discussion during which they reviewed the political and economic situation of The Gambia and Senegal, the developments on the African continent, as well as issues of common concern.
The two Heads of State expressed the need to consolidate friendship and cooperation between the two countries. They also reiterated their resolve to work closely for the benefit of the two nations.
The two Heads of State also decided to cooperate fully for the protection of coastal areas and the combat of coastal erosion.
They also reaffirmed their determination to undertake bilateral and regional action in the combating of coastal erosion.
In discussing issues of common concern in the sub-region and the African continent at large, the two Heads of State stressed their conviction that there can be no internal stability without regional peace and, therefore, undertake to cooperate in the fight against all forms of threat to peace, security, and progress in the sub-region and in the African continent. They also reiterated the importance of justice, tolerance, and respect for the rule of law to global peace and security.
The two Heads of State had a similar point of view on the need to achieve African Unity.
In the course of the visit, ensuing discussions between the two Heads of State and officials on both the Gambian side and the Senegalese side resulted in the following decisions:
* The Gambian side decided to waive the requirement of Alien Cards for Senegalese nationals resident in The Gambia.
* The Gambian side and the Senegalese side have agreed on the construction of a bridge over the River Gambia. The two sides have further agreed that the bridge will be managed by the Gambian side.
* The Gambian side and the Senegalese side agreed to work constructively towards the reviving of the Senegalo-Gambian Permanent Secretariat.
* The Gambian side and the Senegalese side agreed on the convening of the next Joint Commission between the two countries in April 2010.
* The Gambian side and the Senegalese side also agreed to convene a Consultative Commission between the two countries jointly headed by their Excellencies the Vice President of the Republic of The Gambia and the Prime Minister of the Republic of Senegal
* The Gambian side and the Senegalese side agreed to regular consultations between Ministers and Senior Government Officials on both sides aimed at reinforcing bilateral ties.
* The two sides agreed on their resolve to settle jointly border differences between the two countries through a Consultative Border Commission set up by the two governments to the effect.
* The two sides signed an agreement on security matters to ensure the enhancing of peace and security in the two countries.
His Excellency Maitre Abdoulaye Wade expressed his gratitude to His Excellency Sheikh Professor Alhagie Dr Yahya AJJ Jammeh, the Government, and the people of The Gambia for the warm reception and generous hospitality accorded to him and his delegation during their stay in The Gambia.
His Excellency Maitre Abdoulaye Wade extended an invitation to His Excellency Sheikh Professor Alhagie Dr. Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh to visit the Republic of Senegal.
His Excellency Sheikh Professor Alhagie Dr. Yahya A.J.J. Jammeh accepted His Excellency Maitre Abdoulaye Wade's invitation to visit Senegal in the near future.
The dates for the visit will be confirmed through diplomatic channels.
Done in Banjul, on this 6th day of January 2010 in the English and French Languages, both texts being equally authentic."
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 17:03:02
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I was correct as well in my initial posting I wrote
"I know a bridge over the river Gambia"
And so was Kay in his posting,
You write "The fact is noone here is privy to the actual talks or in the know of what the two Heads of State actually discussed."
Thanks for this posting of the official text mansasulu very interesting.
Another interesting point in the text is
"They also reiterated the importance of justice, tolerance, and respect for the rule of law to global peace and security."
"The Gambian side decided to waive the requirement of Alien Cards for Senegalese nationals resident in The Gambia
An estimate of 500,000 people from Senegal are in Gambia, if only a small propertion of those are working that would be a lot of Dalasi for H.E.to give away..
Quite so, not bad guesses on behalf of Kay and myself Eh ?
Coffee or Attaya brother 
"The Gambian side and the Senegalese side have agreed on the construction of a bridge over the River Gambia. The two sides have further agreed that the bridge will be managed by the Gambian side.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 07 Jan 2010 17:08:27 |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 18:49:54
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| How about the Kukoi and Casamance nonsense that Kay is trying to peddle as a focus of the meeting? Perhaps you saw those in the communique because I didn't. The point is there are far important issues to discuss than Kukoi. Making that a focus of a meeting between two heads of state diminishes the importance of Wade flying all the away from Senegal to meet with Jammeh. Perhaps you should read between the lines of what Kay is saying so you can better understand what is at play here rather than just being a cheer leader. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Jan 2010 : 20:49:33
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Mansasulu.
Facts are not nonsense,neither is Casamance,as regards Kukoi,I draw your attention to the EXACT wording of the article,the relevent part is below:
"by a letter attributed to a Gambian opposition figure, Kukoi Samba Sanyang, who asked Wade early in November to help him overthrow the Gambian government, according to Gambian state media."
In any tête-à-tête between the two,it is obvious that Sanyang would be high on the list ,someone who is alleged to be plotting to take over the country.
As for being a Cheer leader,I probably am, in that I strongly support common sense and what I consider to be good judgement and good ideas.
As for reading between the lines,Senegal really wants the Bridge over the River Gambia,what a great contract bridge building worth how much? I have no idea but a lot,Gambia on the other hand would be happy to take the toll revenue of all the traffic generated by bridge management, no fuel to buy for the ageing ferries,which are often in a poor mechanical condition,no spare parts to buy when the mechanics suffer a "breakdown" (or fiddling by "engineers" who know nothing of what they are doing) its a win win situation for both men.500,000 Senegal people already in Gambia,how many will there be when the bridge is built ?
Senegal wants the Gambia,Mais oui, Mansasulu.
(Note the french words, tête-à-tête and Mais oui expect to hear many more in the future  ) |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 07 Jan 2010 23:43:27 |
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