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turk
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 Posted - 08 Jan 2010 : 00:13:23
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Gambia and Senegal should really work together. They share same culture, religion, languages and ethnicity. I congrats both Presidents for trying improve relationships.
The bridge would be excellent for both nations. Further, having EU type of cooperation on custom, trade, monetary policies, immigration, trade, education and security would be great. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 08 Jan 2010 : 07:36:04
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Mansasulu, you just need to stop being petty. I do not have the time to put on a ‘triumphalist’ mood, but I am satisfied that I am essentially right in assessing what the two presidents would discuss when they met. This is no magic or even a claim to being “privy …“ to what Jammeh and Wade discussed. Anyone who is current in the political affairs in the sub-region could quite correctly tell what in broad terms would be on the presidents’ agenda.
Furthermore, you cannot deny that Wade’s visit, which followed on the heels of his Foreign Secretary, Mr. Faal; occurs at a time of pro-government allegations of a “Wade-Kukoi plot” against the Gambia. This allegation has never been substantiated, but it further accelerated the already tense relations between the Gambia and her larger neighbor, Senegal.
You probably need to understand that the references given below and elsewhere are couched in diplomatic language. Both presidents Jammeh and wade, and their representatives, spoke in a diplomatic language. They, for good reasons, would not make direct reference to Kukoi, for any such reference to Kukoi in that high level bilateral talk could give undue positive spotlight to the notorious Gambian dissident. Even the Cassamance issue was only referred to as “border differences”…
But I guess it takes a critical mind, not a submissive mind to be able to look at these issues from different angles and perspectives and put the dots together to make sense out of the seemingly insensible …
That kind of task is a humanly task; it is not infallible. So I do not take any special pride in getting it all right, all the time. Just being close enough, most of the time is satisfying…
“In discussing issues of common concern in the sub-region and the African continent at large,? the communiqué stated, ?the two Heads of State stressed their conviction that there can be no internal stability without regional peace and therefore undertake to cooperate in the fight against all forms of threat to peace, security, and progress in the sub-region and in the African continent?.” Daily Observer.
This statement above alludes to the security concern I mentioned.
The two sides further agreed on their resolve to settle jointly, border differences between the two countries through a Consultative Border Commission set up by the two governments to that effect,? the communiqué indicated. His Excellency Maitre Abdoulie Wade then extended an invitation to President Jammeh to visit the Republic of Senegal, an invitation accepted by The Gambian leader. Daily Observer.
This statement above alludes to both the Cassamance conflict and the general security issues in the Senegambia region.
Commenting on the controversial issue relating to destabilization efforts of Kukoi Samba Sanyang and other Gambian dissidents in Senegal, President Wade used the opportunity to clarify to the journalists and the general public that his government has ?no interest whatsoever to destabilize The Gambia?. He disclosed that he has issued directives that the Gambian security can come into Senegal at any time, and if they identify any criminal, bring him or her back to The Gambia. He however, said that political dissidents would not be surrendered. Daily Observer.
This statement above further indicates that the Kukoi factor looms in the background of the security discussion.
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mansasulu
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Posted - 08 Jan 2010 : 16:52:09
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Kayjatta
"for any such reference to Kukoi in that high level bilateral talk could give undue positive spotlight to the notorious Gambian dissident"
I have a feeling that giving "undue positive spotlight" to Kukoi is your motive in trying to inject the Kukoi nonsense in a very important meeting.
Frankly, I sometimes question your patriotism. We all have our issues with the regime back home, but trying to drum up some kind of importance to a man whose conduct has etched nothing but an unpalatable memory in the minds of many Gambians is absolutely dispicable.
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 08 Jan 2010 : 17:25:14
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Totally wrong,Why is it you have to insult people because their views differ from your own ? (in which ever of the 2 major bantaba topics you have chosen to post)discussion with you is not possible You are blinkered and intransigent in all your views, everyone else of course is wrong.
I do not usually use such strong words, please post but consider that other folk have VERY different views to those that you hold and maybe very upset by what you write,consider your language and content before you post please.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2010 : 18:22:20
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| I think Kay can speak for himself...he is a big boy...and since when does questioning a person's patriotism an insult. If I feel that he doesn't appear to wish us well, I am totally within my rights to express that...free speech...helloooo! |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2010 : 20:37:42
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That's exactly what I mean,if you cannot see that an an insult then there is no hope for you,of course if you feel that all postings here should be livened up a bit for a laugh and not taken seriously,if thats the case I am sorry for you.Come on get a life please!
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2010 : 20:56:32
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toubab
Can you specifically quote the insult portion? And why? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2010 : 21:30:04
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Turk,
I know that you like winding people up but surley you must realise that to question someones loyalty to his country is an insult (" I sometimes question your patriotism") how would you feel if I questioned your loyalty to Islam? You would be outraged,and rightly so.
The end, wind up finished, post something that we can all discuss without sideways swipes at everything others believe in. I honestly cannot believe that some of the posters on Bantaba have so little understanding of how to treat other people,it leaves me speechless.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2010 : 22:43:59
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Toubab
I like what? lol.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-Zt40qu9vc
Hey touby, think you are unfair so i need to speak up.
I disagree. I do not think it is insult. Questioning patriotism is not insult. You can question my loyalty to Islam, because I am not practising Muslim. There is nothing wrong you question my loyalty to Islam. I have very liberal life style and my religious believe limited with my individuality. My opposition to usually islamophobia, stereotype about Islam in general and bigots like Tamsier.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 08 Jan 2010 22:51:01 |
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 08 Jan 2010 : 23:31:17
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Well at least you have a sense of humour I will give you that  The Jethro Tull bit I am talking about. Where on earth did you get that word islamaphobia ?
OK I dug around and found this quote:
"Islamic radicals too have criticized the term “Islamophobia” albeit for different reasons as an inadequate term. They suggest that a more accurate term would be “anti anti Islamic racism combines the elements of dislike of a religion and active discrimination against the people belonging to that religion.” The political purpose underlying this alternative definition is obvious but it is based on the manifestly absurd assumption of an Islamic race including Muslims from Kosovo, Senegal, Indonesia not to mention converts to Islam in Britain, France and the United States. Against this Muslim radicals have argued that Islamophobia is a new form of racism whereby Muslims are attacked not as as race but as a ethno-religious group, prejudice is no longer based on skin color but on notions of cultural superiority and otherment. This argument is equally feeble but even if it were true, it would still be wrong to use misleading terms (racism, ethnic group) that are clearly not applicable trying to define such prejudice."
Just in case anyone wants some very light reading here is the link:
http://blog.oup.com/2006/10/the_origins_of_2/
(Far Far too involved and convoluted for me not being a scholar you understand, but doubtless others might enjoy it !)
Is that like antisemitism ? or antichristianism OK I found this link as well :
http://www.votbg.org/broadbent001.htm
Again totally out of my league,but some might like to read it,I gave up.
I would not ever presume to question anyones religious beliefs,none of my business.
GOOD NIGHT AND HAVE A GOOD SLEEP
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2010 : 07:23:38
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quote:
Originally posted by mansasulu
Kayjatta
"for any such reference to Kukoi in that high level bilateral talk could give undue positive spotlight to the notorious Gambian dissident"
I have a feeling that giving "undue positive spotlight" to Kukoi is your motive in trying to inject the Kukoi nonsense in a very important meeting.
Frankly, I sometimes question your patriotism. We all have our issues with the regime back home, but trying to drum up some kind of importance to a man whose conduct has etched nothing but an unpalatable memory in the minds of many Gambians is absolutely dispicable.
You got it all wrong again, Mansasulu. Diplomatic niceties and sycophancy are not measurements of patriotism. You need to quit being petty  . |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 11 Jan 2010 : 15:08:21
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You don't wish us well...that is an appriopriate measurement for us to gauge your patriotism .
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
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kayjatta
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Posted - 12 Jan 2010 : 07:01:01
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Okay Mansasulu, how would you gauge my patriotism on a scale of 0 to 10 (zero to ten) I really wanna know so I can try to improve my patriotism score. |
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