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turk
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 Posted - 25 Sep 2008 : 00:30:21
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What if she was wearing a short skirt, low cut top what if she had been in a bar ?
hiz, if you ask this question to me based on my seduction theory, no, it was not my intention to
point if a woman is seductive, she probably deserve the sexual assoult.
Where you are going based on my post is misleading. I clearly indicated if she had a PLAN to scam money from the guy. It is no way, I put my scenario, the way you understand.
formby
i understand your point, but if the defense relies on the credibility of the girl in this case, while it is not ideal, but defense will have to focus on the girl credibility. that is what is all about testify. when you answer the question, the way you answer, your body language would prove if you have credibility or not about what you are saying. Too much stake on the men, if he is innocent.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Formby
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Sep 2008 : 00:45:12
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| To have to 'rely on the credibility' of a 15 year old is not ideal in any circumstance, especially one of adult matters. I don't know enough about the beginnings of this case but if this were a money scam, how would the police have become involved? Who would have reported it? What would have been the motive to do so? I can see how unscrupulous accusations might serve that purpose in a blackmail and bribery context but financial gain would be long lost at this stage. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 25 Sep 2008 : 04:11:21
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| By financial gain, I meant blackmail. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Sep 2008 : 08:04:22
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'If the women was seductive she probably deserved the assault'   
This sentence depresses me and makes me SO ANGRY.
A woman can dress and act how she likes.
A man has to learn that she is not his property to take.
A man has to learn to control himself!
It is absolutely NOT the womens fault if he cant do that.
NO women is walking round asking to be raped.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 25 Sep 2008 : 08:22:46
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'If the women was seductive she probably deserved the assault'
i already have bad reputation in here. just clarify, i did not make above statement. pufff. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2008 : 08:25:20
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Sep 2008 : 13:37:26
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See previous page for the culprit .... but it was more of a "what if" scenario (before you load the shotgun here  ) |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Sep 2008 : 15:07:24
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Originally posted by turk
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What if she was wearing a short skirt, low cut top what if she had been in a bar ?
hiz, if you ask this question to me based on my seduction theory, no, it was not my intention to
point if a woman is seductive, she probably deserve the sexual assoult.
Where you are going based on my post is misleading. I clearly indicated if she had a PLAN to scam money from the guy. It is no way, I put my scenario, the way you understand.
formby
i understand your point, but if the defense relies on the credibility of the girl in this case, while it is not ideal, but defense will have to focus on the girl credibility. that is what is all about testify. when you answer the question, the way you answer, your body language would prove if you have credibility or not about what you are saying. Too much stake on the men, if he is innocent.
Turk I was giving you more what ifs....
Your reputation is sound , I know exactly what you meant, playing devils advocate.
It wasn't examples of body language it was her facial expression that determined her 'virginal status' this is nonsense.
The man is guilty of one of the charges,the indecent photographs prove this dont they?
But I know this does not prove rape.
I agree Formby theres no financial gain, when the crime has been reported to the authorities.
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Sep 2008 : 15:21:22
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Originally posted by Bodwick
I’ve no idea where the defence is heading and can only guess he is trying to downgrade the rape charge to consensual underage sex by showing her appearance at the time does not tally with her account of a violent rape. A photo taken at an incident is strong evidence no matter what it shows. I’ll await the outcome of the proceedings.
I just pointed out another article that shows another view of the same case but seemed to be written in a way that possibly reflected proceedings more accurately. Having read both articles I’ve now heard enough about the sordid incident and hope things run fairly in Court.
I have no interest in these types of crimes and consider him, as we call it in England, a ‘nonse’ which means he is guilty of a nonsense crime or a crime that makes no sense to normal people and usually involving children. The fact that she was very close to 16 is a small credit but still not enough.
If he was jailed in England or USA for this type of crime he would get what he was due from other inmates who all look down on this behaviour.
If he’s jailed in Gambia I’m sure the prisoners will welcome him to a place that if I can be excused the recent overuse of the term will bring a whole new meaning to the term ‘Slumming it’…
Nonce is an acronym prison term
Not On Normal Communal Exercise.
Which basically means on the segregation wings which normally applies to sex offenders in our prisons.
Are sex offenders segregated in Gambian prisons?
Its now used as a slang to describe sex offenders and is used as an insult.
Like you say justice is served sometimes differently in prison, there is a ethical code even in there, somehow I dont think hes going to know anything about that but we can only wait and see I guess.
The age of consent is 16 however she is considered a minor till 18 so hes being charged with rape, sexual assult or whatever the term they use of a Minor because she didn't consent.
The charges then fall under the children's Act I assume. |
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Bodwick
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Sep 2008 : 16:29:35
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I see where your coming from with the “Not On Normal Communal Exercise” meaning, however I’m old school and won’t accept your meaning as it’s far too PC and gives the impression that it’s just another term for going on Rule 43.
I think my explanation is older and generally accepted as you say, as a prison term. Around since the days of Brady and used for crimes that make no sense compared to normal crime i.e. nonsense. Times change as do meanings but this one sticks…
I doubt you get segregated in Gambia more like sharing a small cell with many people. I know it’s hard on Janjangbureh and it’s goto be 20x worse than any in the UK. I won’t be dropping him off any soap that’s for sure.
I don’t know the children’s Act, sorry.
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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 25 Sep 2008 : 21:02:52
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this is not exactly copy of the children's act, but it is very similar.
Children act 2005. There are also Islamic law in Gambia that relates the children if your marriage is under islam. You need to refer Maliki law, Quran and Sunnah for as well. But this one is the civil law.
http://www.up.ac.za/dspace/bitstream/2263/1159/1/saine_m_1.pdf
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 25 Sep 2008 21:15:28 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 25 Sep 2008 : 21:04:20
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who did?
read the history. I go:
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Or she was volunteer and seduce the men later accused her for financial gain.
turk <-- devil advocat.
than hz go:
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What if she was wearing a short skirt, low cut top what if she had been in a bar ?
Does that make this a less of a crime there are many what ifs?
than I go:
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it was not my intention to
point if a woman is seductive, she probably deserve the sexual assoult........
Bev. It was not me. Actually nobody. It is your halusination. you need to stop smoking or drink fine british ale when you read these posts. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 25 Sep 2008 21:13:07 |
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Formby
United Kingdom
246 Posts |
Posted - 26 Sep 2008 : 00:13:15
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Originally posted by turk
this is not exactly copy of the children's act, but it is very similar.
Children act 2005. There are also Islamic law in Gambia that relates the children if your marriage is under islam. You need to refer Maliki law, Quran and Sunnah for as well. But this one is the civil law.
http://www.up.ac.za/dspace/bitstream/2263/1159/1/saine_m_1.pdf
This is too irrelevant for words. Hiz has already eastsblished by the links she posted that thet girl was not married under the local clause that can circumnavigate the age of consent. Therefore, any acts committed against this girl, EVEN THE TAKING OF PHOTOGRAPHS, renders the accused guilty.
The more I hear about this, the more I think of that poor 15 year old child getting battered in the head by the weight of assumption. I've half a mind to refer it to Amnesty.
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turk
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Posted - 26 Sep 2008 : 01:19:36
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formby
My post that you quoted intended to inform members about children's act and other law resources about minor/children in general for those who may interested in gambian law. I did not link it too the case were are discussing.
Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Formby
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Sep 2008 : 01:52:01
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Of course you linked it to this issue. You put it on this thread didn't you?
Let's just see how the verdict goes. I really don't care how 'seductive' a 15 year old child is, it's paedophilia or pederasty and the dirty old F**cker deserves to go down for the things he can't deny notwithstanding the additional stuff the 'victim' has to try to prove. How anyone could think otherwise is beyond me. Do you not have children??? Do you not understand anything about adult responsibility? |
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