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Momodou
Denmark
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 Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 08:35:22
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Originally posted by turk Gambia does not even have DNA testing ability for similar crimes.
There are Gambian scientists performing DNA test and research to find the cure for malaria daily in the Gambia. The same DNA testing and analysis can be used to identify criminals.
Perhaps DNA is not used to identify crime yet but the potential is there. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 08:42:37
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mamadou
I am saying Gambia does not even have dna testing ability for crimes. And you claim I am wrong. Than you go DNA is not used to identify crime YET but potential is there. So where am I wrong again? You respond indicate that DNA is not used to identify crime. Using DNA for crime is very expensive. Gambia does not have financial means to do that. They are not able to use DNA technology for crime. I know this because I have asked court if they do. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 22 Sep 2008 08:46:30 |
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Lily
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 09:39:10
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| So - if a 15 year old girl is married off (by her father) to a 50 year old neighbour - is that child abuse or just goog neighbourly relations and culturally acceptable? |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 12:15:12
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Originally posted by gambiabev
The girl may be over the legal age of consent but if the man is MUCH older then in most cases I do think it is a form of abuse of the girl. A 13 year old girl and a 60 year old man for example.
A 13 year old girl and a 13 year old boy is a very different picture.
The age of consent in Uk is 16 and many younger people do have sex. But as I said previously it is usually BETWEEN young people. Most people in Uk would consider an old man and a young girl to be an abusive situation eg a teacher and a pupil. Im surprised you dont see it that way Princess.Usually the man has all the knowledge, power and money and the girl is just starting out in life an innocent. Easy to use, abuse and manipulate.
In my opinion any of us working with children should be constantly vigilant for child abuse which can take many forms of neglect. Parents that turn a blind eye to this are shocking and this is a form of neglect. It my be culturally acceptable, but Im afraid it doesnt make it right.
Bev,
I was pointing out the legal position.
If the 13 year old is in Spain then its legal whether the man/woman is 18/25 or 60. If its in the UK its illlegal.
I did say this is fact, despite our moral cultural or religious beliefs are.
My personal feelings towards this have nothing to do with the legality of the matter.Of course I have issues with this.
As we both know Teacher/Pupil relationships are out of bounds whether the pupil is 16 or not the same stance on Doctor /Patient relationships but this is a different issue.
Yes I agree abuse takes on many forms, but society as a whole needs to take a responsibility not just educators. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 18:26:52
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The main responsibility lies with parents and it disgusts me that parents would encourage this sort of relationship for the financial advantage it may give the family. Poverty is no excuse for this. I would sell myself rather than give my daughters to some old man......  
Secondly it lies with schools to educate pupils that they are an individual with free will and a right to say NO!
Thirdly the Iman's should be speaking out against it!
Fourthly govenment should be regulating against it.
And finally the whole world as a village should be trying to protect the rights of every child! UNICEF does some fantastic work on these matters. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 22:38:39
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dear administrator-mr-mamadou_who-can-edit-posts-with-the-priviledges
Thanks for changing your posts as it sounds much better now. But I must clarify that my respond was your original post that you claim, quote "turk, you are wrong....gambians doing DNA for malaria search.....but not yet for DNA testing for crimes.....". At least you admit you needed to modify the post. But better way to keep the original post. but that is ok. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 22:46:08
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bev
I have questions. What if the father who should speak against the underage girls got married with a girl at 15 years old. What if teachers who educate the pupils have an eye on 15 years old girl. What if imam whose second wife is 16 years old. What if the government worker who has a 16 years old girl friend, what if UNICEF workers are in gambia to get a underage girl friend?
If gambians think 15 is the age a girl can get married and have sex, the law should take the age limit to 15. You can't have different age limit for toubabs and sugar dadies. If 15 is wrong, it must be wrong for everyone. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 22:59:46
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Well as we've just seen a £1million payout for 8 former school pupils who were sexually abused by a teacher here in the UK
I don't think educators and the educated are exempt of practicing this evil.
We have legislation in place here and still our children are victimised.
I was relieved to read that the Gambia also has a task force to combat this evil and am looking forward to finding out more about their work this winter.
Victims of abuse come from all walks of life rich and poor black and white theres no discrimination at the hands of these predators
There are many different child advocates and protectors around the world some more well know than others, all of which depend on the society at large to be vigilant and report these crimes.
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Formby
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 23:05:31
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Originally posted by turk
bev
I have questions. What if the father who should speak against the underage girls got married with a girl at 15 years old. What if teachers who educate the pupils have an eye on 15 years old girl. What if imam whose second wife is 16 years old. What if the government worker who has a 16 years old girl friend, what if UNICEF workers are in gambia to get a underage girl friend?
If gambians think 15 is the age a girl can get married and have sex, the law should take the age limit to 15. You can't have different age limit for toubabs and sugar dadies. If 15 is wrong, it must be wrong for everyone.
Or are you talking about institutionalised paedophilia?
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 23:12:49
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| according to searches most of sexual crimes on minor would come from either relatives (uncles, grandfathers, cousins etc) or institutions (teacher, police, football coaches, churches). I mean what percentage of sex crimes would be from total stranger I wonder? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
464 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 23:26:22
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Originally posted by turk
according to searches most of sexual crimes on minor would come from either relatives (uncles, grandfathers, cousins etc) or institutions (teacher, police, football coaches, churches). I mean what percentage of sex crimes would be from total stranger I wonder?
In comparison very few, 20% is quoted in figures from the west. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 23:33:00
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so the law enforcement office should focus on more LOCAL sex offenders? If a child is victim, if I was a investigator I would look
- family and relatives
- school teacher, football coach,
- local law enforcer
- neighbours
- strangers and toubabs (<-- sarcasm) |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
464 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 23:44:45
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Originally posted by turk
so the law enforcement office should focus on more LOCAL sex offenders? If a child is victim, if I was a investigator I would look
- family and relatives
- school teacher, football coach,
- local law enforcer
- neighbours
- strangers and toubabs (<-- sarcasm)
Theres no doubt they already do, work is in progress to empower children so they will be heard.
Tut Turk sarcasm, they say is the lowest form of wit. |
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Momodou
Denmark
11740 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 23:46:04
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Turk, do you want to say that you can have the prevlige to edit your postings whilst I am allowed to? |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 23:47:09
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momodou
exactly. :) |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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