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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 12 Sep 2008 : 22:48:06
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Can someone please clarify what a toubab is
I always thought it was a derogatory term I was told it was a 'wannabe' then i discovered many white Europeans calling themselves it and I was told it meant a person from the west.
Now unless i've misunderstood its what white people are called so which is it |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 07:43:27
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| 2bab. can you clarify what the hell your name means? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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lurker
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
464 Posts |
Posted - 13 Sep 2008 : 21:46:42
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Thank you Lurker so I am in fact am a Toubab
How strange that so many use and even object to the word, yet have no knowledge of its real meaning. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 14 Sep 2008 : 12:30:08
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Originally posted by turk
2bab. can you clarify what the hell your name means?
Sorry NO. There are so many trains of thought about this,BUT I have the feeling that it is from colonial times where a tax was SUPPOSED to be levied of 2 shillings or in slang English terminology TWO BOB a "bob" being English slang for a shilling (UK currency before decimalisation 20 shillings to a pound)And as such whenever a Gambian saw a white person would shout two bob which was gradually made into the word toubab.This showed their displeasure at being taxed by the invader and as such was a great insult,so nothing to do with the white person's (sorry musn't be sexist here!)race but to do with what was considered an unfair tax.All the aforegoing MAY be complete rubbish but the true reasons will never be known. I like this definition. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Sep 2008 : 23:50:38
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I prefer Lurkers lol   |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Sep 2008 : 12:52:39
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| As I said, Who Knows.No one.I don't get upset anyway, I have a thick skin,most of the time!! |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
464 Posts |
Posted - 15 Sep 2008 : 23:12:31
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Originally posted by toubab1020
As I said, Who Knows.No one.I don't get upset anyway, I have a thick skin,most of the time!!
awwwwwwwwwww your explanation is just as cute |
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snuggels
960 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 00:44:31
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| It is interesting to note through out this thread on paedophiles/child abuse in Gambia only one person in Gambia has responded. On my surgestion that as a child is deemed some one under the age of 18. So anyone under that age marridge is outlawed. To that not one responce ummmm |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 02:28:52
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snuggles
it is acceptable to be active sexually under the age of 18 (as early as 16) with or without marriage. Or without marriage despite islam's adultary rules, girls may be sexually active 16. It is common, older, economically wealthier sugar daddies have relationships with younger girls out of their marriage.
I known around my extended relatives or the people in the neighborhood such relationships exist and tolerated. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 08:43:15
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In the UK this would be considered child abuse. Interesting the different cultural perspectives.
In UK there are lots of sexually active young people. But it is usually with EACH OTHER. Personally I would like to see the age for sex be 18, but 16 is a more realistic aim I suppose.
Young people need to be protected from older predators whatever the culture. Perhaps someone under say 18 shouldnt have a partner more than 5 years older than themselves? Just an idea? How would it be policed? I suppose it depends on being socially acceptable and people watching out for their own children. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 22:22:23
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Gambiabev
You are absolutely right. The age may come down to 16. Many 15,16 having sex with in west too. But in west there are better law enforcement, technology and the law to deal with minor sex. Gambia does not even have DNA testing ability for similar crimes. 18 may be good for west but gambia may have different realities. Gambia must respect their realities too. This may increase sex tourism but you can't have different standards appying gambian and tourists. Or law enforcement must apply the rule on everyone equally but that is unlikely.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
464 Posts |
Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 22:27:46
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Can I just clarify something....
In the UK, the age of sexual consent for women has been set at 16 since 1885, when campaigners fought to raise it from 13 to prevent child prostitution.However in NI its 17 .
Other nations around the world set their legal age of consent from 12 up to 20 for example in India its 16 in Spain its 13 and in Mexico the federal law varies according to the age gap between partners and is often overruled by regional laws so the age of consent is from 12-18.
Providing consent has been given and the person is over the legal age of consent there is no child abuse despite what our moral cultural or religious beliefs are. they're is no grounds to criminalise the relationship.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 21 Sep 2008 : 22:39:19
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| thanks for the info. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 08:22:09
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The girl may be over the legal age of consent but if the man is MUCH older then in most cases I do think it is a form of abuse of the girl. A 13 year old girl and a 60 year old man for example.
A 13 year old girl and a 13 year old boy is a very different picture.
The age of consent in Uk is 16 and many younger people do have sex. But as I said previously it is usually BETWEEN young people. Most people in Uk would consider an old man and a young girl to be an abusive situation eg a teacher and a pupil. Im surprised you dont see it that way Princess.Usually the man has all the knowledge, power and money and the girl is just starting out in life an innocent. Easy to use, abuse and manipulate.
In my opinion any of us working with children should be constantly vigilant for child abuse which can take many forms of neglect. Parents that turn a blind eye to this are shocking and this is a form of neglect. It my be culturally acceptable, but Im afraid it doesnt make it right.
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