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anna
Netherlands
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 Posted - 29 Feb 2008 : 23:25:01
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Of course not, you (and i) are far too old for that nonsense  . Bought myself an e(lectronic)-smoker, but it was a bad investment  . |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 15:34:54
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Thanks Anna, maybe I find out the 'expert'.
In January we lost one of our best friends; he died of lung cancer in his early 50ies. 40 cigarettes and more a day... I am still very sad about his death; we have been close friends for more than 25 years.
This is one reason why I think that one of the best ideas I ever had was to stop smoking. Believe me, it is MUCH, MUCH EASIER than you may think. I myself couldn't believe that after only three days I didn't miss 'my' cigarettes any more. I had been so brainwashed (It is toooo difficult to stop smoking! A neverending torture!! A neverending fight against the addiction, etc - pure crap!!!!)that I never dared to stop this dangerous habit. |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 19:41:55
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| What about pedophiles; guys they too could claim they only get sexual satisfaction from children .That they were born like that and that they could not help being who they are ergo we accommodate them .Gross isn't it!political correctness gone mad yeah.I do believe there should be some kind of control if not in the political but religious domain certainly. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
1295 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2008 : 23:07:43
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| That's a very Good point you've put forward Kaanibaa. |
There is no god but Allah |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 15:25:20
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Homosexuality is an abominable act that should not be allowed to fester!
Quran Chapter 7, Verses 80-84
And (remember) Lūt (Lot), when he said to his people: "Do you commit the worst sin such as none preceding you has committed in the 'Alamīn (mankind and jinn)?
"Verily, you practise your lusts on men instead of women. Nay, but you are a people transgressing beyond bounds (by committing great sins)."
And the answer of his people was only that they said: "Drive them out of your town, these are indeed men who want to be pure (from sins)!"
Then We saved him and his family, except his wife; she was of those who remained behind (in the torment)
And We rained down on them a rain (of stones). Then see what was the end of the Mujrimūn (criminals, polytheists and sinners). |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allāh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 15:58:12
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Kaaniba's arguments are not 'a good point', they are good nonsense. 1. Normal homosexuals have consensual sex, while all pedophiles abuse their 'partners'. 2. There are straight and gay pedophiles (mostly men, but I remember a case in the USA or Canada, where a teacher had a baby with a 12 or 13 year old student and went to prison for child abuse).
Something I'll never understand is the hysteria of men about male homosexuality (while at the same time slobbering about female homosexuality). Is male homosexuality so tempting for you that you are afraid to become gay yourself if you don't fight it with all your might? Really strange. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 19:01:56
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| Mansasulu, May ALLAH be pleased with you for the great contribution. |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 20:39:00
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| Point of order, Dear Serenata ,who says that all sexual relationships between homosexuals are consensual ? Did you take into account rapes by the types so described including those committed against weak prison inmates by those engaged etc. Another good nonsense, my tenkeremess!" |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 21:03:00
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serenata says
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Is male homosexuality so tempting for you that you are afraid to become gay yourself if you don't fight it with all your might?
Sounds like, above, you support the theory that one 'BECAME' gay? Male homosexuality may be tempting which is a sexual fantasy. No?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 21:21:43
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turk, you may be right - who knows if gays are not born gays? It is a variety, nothing else; no reason to make a big ado about it. But you too don't answer the question why men are so hysterical about gays. Do they use gays as scapegoats? Really, I don't understand; the whole thing looks fishy to me.
Kaanibaa, you make me laugh. You know as well as I do that rape is more common among straight men!! |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2008 : 21:41:04
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serenata
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But you too don't answer the question why men are so hysterical about gays. Do they use gays as scapegoats?
I actually see the point about why men are so hysterical about gays. Having sex with another man is not acceptable socially because of nature of man. Man is supposed to be dominant, if you became a gay, that is sign of weakness, because you are indeed dominated. Dominated by another man. That is a great deal of shame.
And that is where being hysterical about gays come. Men may or may not develop sexual feelings about another man, but due to social norms, they are histerical. That is overcompensation. It is denial. I say if a man is histerical about gay, he is probably a gay.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 02:55:21
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I have seen some staunch opponents of gays and gay-rights who, it turned out, have been or may have been closet-gays themselves. One is Ted Hagart a conservative christian leader and Larry Craig a conservative Republican senator from Idaho U.S.
So Serenata might have some points here. Interestingly, Ted Hagart after beeing outed by a male prostitute resigned from the church and later claimed to have been cured after going through (psychological) treatment. Believe it or not, his claim of being cured raises the issue whether homosexuality ( which I believe is abnormal whether it is nature or learned) is treatable??? |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
1169 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 14:49:14
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| Dodging my point, Dear Serenata.I believe you know very well that I countered your claim that sex between homosexuals are hundred percent consensual ergo my previous posting . Please accept that not all sexual encounters by such perverts are consensual .In the debate it is not a weakness to accept some points which derail one's views. I accept that in most cases sex between male adults is consensual but a percentage exists who force their perversion onto others ; excuse given may be that they believe they were consenting or shy but that beggars the statement of consent; no!Being gay or straight is any one's choice and if practiced between adults in private what concerns is there for others;none I should say but in the public domain, a lot comes to play and it is any one's choice to accept or challenge the open display of such actions .Another good nonsense for your darling |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 15:26:19
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Big hug to you, turk - this makes sense, and now I understand...!!!!!
Down with the patriarchate!!! Fatoumatou for president! Yeah. |
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LEMON TIME
Afghanistan
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Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 20:55:53
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As i said before Kaanibaa you making a sensible point here keep it up.Any Muslim will not accept gay as normal in life. |
There is no god but Allah |
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