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mbay

Germany
1007 Posts

Posted - 26 Feb 2008 :  14:40:54  Show Profile Send mbay a Private Message
Thanks tamsier. my wish is that me to be understooded.?
i can understand some, but as you said they should come up with the argument.
Am just African man trying to be a English man
Is it Bad? moreover i dont see me that too bad in english.
hey! If we brings up here our own African-English(broking english) i think some of them will
lets role on you guys.

Meme blik dir doch mal dein P mail.
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toubab1020



12312 Posts

Posted - 26 Feb 2008 :  16:09:48  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message


mbay,you wouldn't really want to be an englishman,they are under control of the scottish tribe now. I am sure the tax here is too much!!Your German is better than my german!

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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mbay

Germany
1007 Posts

Posted - 26 Feb 2008 :  17:45:22  Show Profile Send mbay a Private Message
Wie bitte? jetzt geht es aber richtig los!
so you speak germany too?.on other hand why not the world is a global village.

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Originally posted by toubab1020



mbay,you wouldn't really want to be an englishman,they are under control of the scottish tribe now. I am sure the tax here is too much!!Your German is better than my german!



,you wouldn't really want to be an englishman,they are under control of the scottish tribe now.
T1020,I never know that either

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gambiabev

United Kingdom
3091 Posts

Posted - 26 Feb 2008 :  18:34:21  Show Profile Send gambiabev a Private Message
I respect anyone who attempts to write in another language! I am hopeless! I try to learn a little Mandinka, but as soon as I am away from the village I forget it and as for writing it........

Mbay I find it is your style that is difficult...as if you speak in riddles. But I respect your attempts to communicate in a language that is not your own.

The main thing I find Gambians make a mistake with when writing is confusing he and she...... feminine and masculine. Is that because it is not important in Mandinka? My guide often refers to his wife as 'he'.
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anna



Netherlands
730 Posts

Posted - 26 Feb 2008 :  19:11:18  Show Profile Send anna a Private Message
There's no such thing as coincidence! Mandinka's uncertainty about feminine and masculine seems to be the signal to go back to the topic: why are some people inclined to prefer sex with a same sex partner instead of with a partner of the opposite sex??
I once heard a theory of people wanting sex with a partner of the same sex as that one of the parent who was 'least visible' in his/her upbringing. That seems strange to me, because in a family you often see all but one brothers and sister being heterosexual. How come there is one homosexual among them?

Mbay: wann jemand niemals etwas versucht, werde er auch niemals ein Fehler machen.

When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali)
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akem0



United Kingdom
25 Posts

Posted - 26 Feb 2008 :  19:24:50  Show Profile Send akem0 a Private Message
I came across this documentry while browsing BBC website to keep myself updated with the lastest news. ''Transsexual in Iran'' In Iran homosexuality is punishable by death, yet sex changes are sanctioned by islamic law. Video worth watching and also to listen to an Imam take on sex change and islam.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/page/item/b0092wrz.shtml?filter=txdate%3A25-02&filter=txslot%3Aevening&start=1&scope=iplayerlast7days&version_pid=b0092wrt

''If you must die,'' face the murderous cowardly pack/pressed to the wall, dying, but fighting back!

Edited by - akem0 on 26 Feb 2008 19:57:38
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mbay

Germany
1007 Posts

Posted - 26 Feb 2008 :  19:44:57  Show Profile Send mbay a Private Message
Originally posted by anna
Mbay: wann jemand niemals etwas versucht, werde er auch niemals ein Fehler machen.
which might means. if some never tried something before, will never also make mistakes.

Oder wiederum anna. Fehler macht schlau.= mistake makes you wise.

biev, you means Mandingo dont have a references by calling a male/female?
if that is the case, i dont think you are right. am not a mandinka but i speak it quit good, since my mother inlaw is a jakakeh=mandinka.
but let's wait maybe some one will come with better proficiency.
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gambiabev

United Kingdom
3091 Posts

Posted - 26 Feb 2008 :  19:48:20  Show Profile Send gambiabev a Private Message
As you all know that read my postings I am liberal.

With sexuality I believe each to their own as long as they aren't harming others. If we are honest and open about our wants and needs and leave children (under 16?) out of it, then I think that is fine.

The 'ideal' is still 2 loving parents (male and female) to raise children. That is the model throughout time.

Of course there is divorce and affairs. Monogomy is difficult. But the ideal still remains true.

Most homosexual people are born that way. They dont chose it. Why would anyone chose such a difficult route. It often ends in suicide.

The church has alot to answer. It could ease things a little. Gay men often feel guilty. There are many gay men in the church. It is not a sin to be gay, but to have sex with the same sex. So if you are a non practising gay that is ok....... The church of england and the catholic church is full of such surpressed men and several have gone on to abuse boys in their care.Also many gay men of God commit suicide.

I think we should be kinder to them. Dont judge less you be judged.

I am sure most boys growing up would like to get married and father children..... indeed many gay men do, such is the need to conform. Later this unravels and they cant keep being untrue to their nature.

Please have compassion to them. It is a very difficult road they have to travel.

I think we should love individual people for their characteristics, not according to their sexuality.

I believe you can have a very good, kind gay man. Equally you can have a very bad evil straight man.

Who commits most crime? Gay men or straight men?
Who is violent to children?

STRAIGHT MEN!
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mbay

Germany
1007 Posts

Posted - 26 Feb 2008 :  20:02:54  Show Profile Send mbay a Private Message
is available only in UK, why?
''Transsexual in Iran'' In Iran homosexuality is punishable by death, yet sex changes are sanctioned by Islamic law. Video worth watching
Islamic law?. well by the way you have your information from other sources, and you may believe it so?
moreover i think this topics belongs to the religions forum?
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tapalapa

United Kingdom
202 Posts

Posted - 26 Feb 2008 :  20:12:39  Show Profile Send tapalapa a Private Message
Mbay
I think your writing is sheer poetry, I really enjoy it ..........all credit to you for giving it a go.........I only speak English

Best wishes

Tapa
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serenata



Germany
1400 Posts

Posted - 29 Feb 2008 :  16:49:24  Show Profile Send serenata a Private Message
quote:
Originally posted by anna
I once heard a theory of people wanting sex with a partner of the same sex as that one of the parent who was 'least visible' in his/her upbringing. That seems strange to me, because in a family you often see all but one brothers and sister being heterosexual. How come there is one homosexual among them?
Anna, this theory is interesting. It fits 100% to the homosexual 'case' I know best (the cousin I mentioned earlier), though you are right: Why then are not all children of an 'invisible' mother or father homosexual? Do you know where I can find more about this theory?

Anna und Mbay: Ihr habt recht - nur wer nichts probiert, macht auch keine Fehler. Und erst auf dem Friedhof werden wir alle völlig fehlerfrei sein...
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BornAfrican

United Kingdom
119 Posts

Posted - 29 Feb 2008 :  17:38:46  Show Profile Send BornAfrican a Private Message
surely, we were all created by god out of his love. if he did not like gays, he wouldn't have created them. therefore, who are you and i to judge them?
we have to live to respect each other.

me
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toubab1020



12312 Posts

Posted - 29 Feb 2008 :  18:45:45  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
Its a bit like saying that if we were meant to smoke God would have given us a chimney in our heads.



"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.

Edited by - toubab1020 on 29 Feb 2008 19:48:53
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anna



Netherlands
730 Posts

Posted - 29 Feb 2008 :  22:06:30  Show Profile Send anna a Private Message
Serenata, i am sorry but it was a discussion i was witnessing while visiting friends (some gays among them, who were nodding as if they were in agreement) and i cannot remember any 'expert'name being dropped. Of course, it could also be that a parent is 'visible' enough but that the child in question feels the parent to be 'unreachable', as if there is no real contact (let alone love) between that particular parent and the child.
A very good friend of mine, a homosexual man who is now in his fifties, told me about his childhood as an only child. He has always felt very close to his mother, there was lots of warmth between them and he felt perfectly safe with her. But his father (who was in bad health and therefore almost always at home) was a very quiet, withdrawn person and my friend felt ill at ease in his father's presence until the day his father died. There were no other children, but if there had been it might have been that the father could open up more and be more warm towards this or these other children. My friend always felt as if his father rejected him, but the father was 'visible' enough. Do you know what i mean?
I agree, it sounds plausible enough - but the discussion just came up and i never tried to find more information.

Toubab, do you smoke? I'm trying hard to 'unlearn' that bad habit, but i am not very successful yet.

When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali)
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toubab1020



12312 Posts

Posted - 29 Feb 2008 :  22:57:14  Show Profile Send toubab1020 a Private Message
Yes, sorry I do,only ready made cigarettes though, not the other!!

"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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