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anna
Netherlands
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 Posted - 05 Mar 2008 : 21:29:01
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Well, i have no objections to Fatoumatou Turk becoming president of the Gambia one day - why not? But i don't see that Turk's posting explains it all. There are people who want to be dominated. This could be men, whose ultimate wet dream is that they are dominated (sexually) by a man or by a woman, or women who are happiest when they are dominated by a man or a woman. This could go as far as having someone inflict bodily pain on you, (sado)masochism. According to me all these things have nothing to do with being gay.
Lemon Time, you'd better be careful. If you go on cheering Kaanibaa (who for some reason thinks that there are no forced sexual contacts between heterosexuals - Serenata was dead right you know, most rapists are heterosexual men) you will become hysterical and betray your latent homosexuality! Not that i mind, as long as you are happy.
Get a life, people - and look closely at what is around you!
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
1169 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 15:17:09
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Anna!
If you can kindly highlight where I mentioned that there are no forced sexual contacts between heterosexuals I will lie down prostrate and ask to be flayed by you dear Anna. If on the other hand you are trying to put words into my mouth I shall vomit all , come on baby I challenge you to produce evidence of my uttering such bull's crap. My stance is very clear.I am against any kind of dominance be it male or female over other gender ;even same sex.By the foregoing am not being apologetic to any one but contributing my good nonsense a la Serenata and now you; force feeding me, Darling Anna. Did you read my postings or interpreted what you read to suit you? My posting was in simple and clear English language without any innuendo either intended or inadvertently posited. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2008 : 19:26:09
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I can let go LESBIANS to pleasure themselves PRIVATELY and use any TYPE OF VIBRATOR (ROMANTICWISE ALSO!) BUT MAN TO MAN (HOMOSUXALS!) is FILTHY and IN-HUMANE! It is UN-HEALTHY as proven that it encourages AIDS VIRUS and spreads it rapidly with other VERY SERIOUS DESEASES!
Thanks akem0 for forwarding that documentary I watched at BBC2 and learn new things about SHE-ITE MUSLIMS dominated IRAN on gays/homosexuals and TRANSEXUALS. One should appreciate the FACT THAT TRANSEXUALS usually found themselves in wrong body. Before they undergo any SEX CHANGE they would go through series of diagnoses to confirm to what extent their HORMONES have developed and when they would be better (BOTH PHYSICALLY, PHYSIOLOGICALLY , PSYCHOLOGICALLY & MORALLY) or THERAPYWISE to ADJUST THEIR physical, physiological & psychological defects. Sometimes its AMAZING to see PRETTY TRANS and MORE BEAUTIFUL THAN CERTAIN LADIES whilst something is not CORRECT (BIKINIWISE/TROUSERWISE/SNAKEWISE/!).
It looks interesting to me and having watched the documentary I felt sympathetic to those TRAPPED IN THE WRONG BODY! TRANSEXUALS are not HOMOSEXUALS(GAY). In the documentary, one of them (a TRANSEXUAL WHO HAD SEX CHANGE) made comments that "SHE" HATES GAY/HOMOSEXUALS!.
Finally, there are different schools of thought/factions in ISLAM! There are SUNNIs and further research is required about LEGALISING SEX CHANGE EXCLUSIVELY FOR TRANSEXULAS UNDER SHARIA LAW. In iran they relied on its renouwned GREAT IMAM AYATOLLAH KHOMENI! The documentary is EDUCATIVE! I would like to caution and urge everybody that; "THERE IS BOUND TO BE EXTINCTION IF THEY ARE NO PROPER SEX AND UNDER NORMAL REPRODUCTIVE CYCLE!". So far it is IMPOSSIBLE FOR TRANS TO GIVE US BABIES! May so-called gays want children/kids? Isn't it 
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leokat
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07 Mar 2008 : 13:58:55
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Originally posted by kayjatta
...But I have never observed any animal, beside humans, consistently affectionately attached to a same sex for sexual gratification...
Bonobo's (pygmy chimpanzees), who are our closest gemetic relatives - sharing a slightly higher percentage of our genes that even 'standard' chimps - are well known for both the male and female members being frequently observed participating in homosexual behaviour for sexual gratification. I would not like to speculate on one bonobo's affectionate attachment to another. However, it is widely believed that their homosexual behaviour strengthens the bonds of the group as a whole and dissipates stress and aggressive behaviour.
Is it going too far to suggest that, had man (and woman) taken this path, many of the problems of social isolation and human aggression might be lessened? |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 07 Mar 2008 : 14:14:03
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Forcing someone to be (or to pretend being) heterosexual surely is far worse and sinful than being homosexual. It is a violation of the right of sexual self-determination; you can compare it with rape. I am heterosexual, but as a woman it is my damned duty to stand up against any form of rape.
I personally don't like to relapse into the 19th century. But this seems to be the current trend in moral concerns as well as in other aspects of human life (exploitation, 'turbo-capitalism')... |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2008 : 00:43:13
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For Kaanibaa: no need for flaying by me fortunately (because that is also not my cup of tea) and if you would like to vomit have it your way. It is true, i read all your postings on this subject again and again and i put words into your mouth. I even agree to what you said about there being non-consensual sex between same sex inmates, just as i am sure there is a lot of truth in the rumours about Catholic (the religion i was brought up in) priests abusing their position to force themselves upon young boys (and girls also, in some cases). Sorry, darling - but you have a way with words which sometimes make your postings seem cynical or sarcastic and i misunderstood.
Unfortunately, throughout the ages there have always been men and women who took advantage of others to get sexual gratification while abusing the power they had because of position, age, riches or mere muscle power. In that respect 'dominance' comes out like a 'dirty' word. It means there is no equality. On the other hand, some people need to be dominated sexually and if it is like a kind of 'play' between two adults it should be private and so okay.
On average i would like to emphasize (sorry if i am boring you all) that in the case of heterosexual couples their relationships are about sex AND love, and the same goes for homosexual couples!!
Kobo, to publicly state that you do not worry about lesbians at work with each other or with their vibrators but that the thought of homosexual actions between men make you gag (not to say 'hysterical'!) seems to be very hypocritical to me. Sorry again (why not). |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2008 : 01:43:48
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But, anna, lesbian relationship is really very different from two gay's men. It is more, intimacy, making love and not harmful. while two men's sexual relationship is not even healthy. No?
let us see the following article and looking forward to read your response:
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Anal intercourse is the sine qua non of sex for many gay men.22 Yet human physiology makes it clear that the body was not designed to accommodate this activity. The rectum is significantly different from the vagina with regard to suitability for penetration by a penis. The vagina has natural lubricants and is supported by a network of muscles. It is composed of a mucus membrane with a multi-layer stratified squamous epithelium that allows it to endure friction without damage and to resist the immunological actions caused by semen and sperm. In comparison, the anus is a delicate mechanism of small muscles that comprise an "exit-only" passage. With repeated trauma, friction and stretching, the sphincter loses its tone and its ability to maintain a tight seal. Consequently, anal intercourse leads to leakage of fecal material that can easily become chronic.
The potential for injury is exacerbated by the fact that the intestine has only a single layer of cells separating it from highly vascular tissue, that is, blood. Therefore, any organisms that are introduced into the rectum have a much easier time establishing a foothold for infection than they would in a vagina. The single layer tissue cannot withstand the friction associated with penile penetration, resulting in traumas that expose both participants to blood, organisms in feces, and a mixing of bodily fluids.
Furthermore, ejaculate has components that are immunosuppressive. In the course of ordinary reproductive physiology, this allows the sperm to evade the immune defenses of the female. Rectal insemination of rabbits has shown that sperm impaired the immune defenses of the recipient.23 Semen may have a similar impact on humans.24
The end result is that the fragility of the anus and rectum, along with the immunosuppressive effect of ejaculate, make anal-genital intercourse a most efficient manner of transmitting HIV and other infections. The list of diseases found with extraordinary frequency among male homosexual practitioners as a result of anal intercourse is alarming:
Anal Cancer
Chlamydia trachomatis
Cryptosporidium
Giardia lamblia
Herpes simplex virus
Human immunodeficiency virus
Human papilloma virus
Isospora belli
Microsporidia
Gonorrhea
Viral hepatitis types B & C
Syphilis25
Sexual transmission of some of these diseases is so rare in the exclusively heterosexual population as to be virtually unknown. Others, while found among heterosexual and homosexual practitioners, are clearly predominated by those involved in homosexual activity. Syphilis, for example is found among heterosexual and homosexual practitioners. But in 1999, King County, Washington (Seattle), reported that 85 percent of syphilis cases were among self-identified homosexual practitioners.26 And as noted above, syphilis among homosexual men is now at epidemic levels in San Francisco.27
A 1988 CDC survey identified 21 percent of all Hepatitis B cases as being homosexually transmitted while 18 percent were heterosexually transmitted.28 Since homosexuals comprise such a small percent of the population (only 1-3 percent),29 they have a significantly higher rate of infection than heterosexuals.30
Anal intercourse also puts men at significant risk for anal cancer. Anal cancer is the result of infection with some subtypes of human papilloma virus (HPV), which are known viral carcinogens. Data as of 1989 showed the rates of anal cancer in male homosexual practitioners to be 10 times that of heterosexual males, and growing. 30 Thus, the prevalence of anal cancer among gay men is of great concern. For those with AIDS, the rates are doubled.31
Other physical problems associated with anal intercourse are:
hemorrhoids
anal fissures
anorectal trauma
retained foreign bodies.32
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2008 : 07:12:16
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Turk, didn't know what i was in for when i started reading your posting in this early morning eating my yoghurt :-(
Who wants the biology lesson?
Lesbians and gay men have this in common: they need sex with a partner of their own sex.
My homosexual friends or colleagues (men and women) seem happy in their relationships, or sometimes unhappy just like my heterosexual friends and colleagues. To tell you the truth, i am not very interested in anybody's adventures in the bedroom. Even here in Holland it is considered 'not done' to ask anybody 'how they are doing it', and i am in no way curious. There are also heterosexual couples who engage in anal sex. The conclusion of the article above would be: better use a condom. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2008 : 08:21:52
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It was not my intension to give you biology lesson. It was just how lesbian/gay relationship is significantly different in terms of physiology. Their social aspect of relationship was not the one i was focusing. My focus was clearly physiologic aspect. Curiosity? Hmmm. Conclusion is homosexual relationship in terms of physiology is SICK. Not healthy. Not natural.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
1169 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2008 : 15:05:20
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| Thanks Dear Anna, and no hard feelings , the debate as it were is very healthy and thereby we all gain from each other. I accept that at times one can easily misread what other people post and respond accordingly.The topic itself is controversial and so what we all get at times from our individual perspectives make us react in our own ways to each topic.I accept criticism and even insults at times from others if they so chose but reserve the right to retaliate which I have so far not done on this forum. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2008 : 19:20:00
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Originally posted by anna
Kobo, to publicly state that you do not worry about lesbians at work with each other or with their vibrators but that the thought of homosexual actions between men make you gag (not to say 'hysterical'!) seems to be very hypocritical to me. Sorry again (why not).
Anna! LOTS OF RESPECT Was just CRITICAL & NOT HYPOCRITICAL, therefore a BIG For example, If your INSTINCTS & SEX DRIVE MAKES YOU HETER, WHY NOT DO AS GAY OR HOMO
Thanks Turk and well done AGAIN Issues of Gay(Homo) is PERSONAL (LUST, CHOICE OR CONVICTION) but if that BEHAVIOUR is encouraged or approved (whithin a LIBERAL SOCIETY/COMMUNAL); it only leads to MORE OF PORNOGRAPHY, ANIMAL FARM, HORSES ON US, DOGS ON US, MONKEY GAMES AND ALL SORT OF CRAZED SADOMASTIC BEAHVIOURS.
REFERENCE TO ANY BOOK (FOR PROMOTION OF GOOD MORAL VALUES) is more POSITIVE FOR ENLIGHTENMENT, SELF-ESTEEM AND CIVILIZATION FOR THE HUMAN RACE.
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 08 Mar 2008 : 23:25:21
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Anna! LOTS OF RESPECT Was just CRITICAL & NOT HYPOCRITICAL, therefore a BIG For example, If your INSTINCTS & SEX DRIVE MAKES YOU HETER, WHY NOT DO AS GAY OR HOMO
Lots of question marks indeed, because Kobo: i have no clue what you are talking about, what is it you want to say?? And are you seriously wanting us to believe that accepting homosexuality (not encouraging or approving, that is not what is going on at all) makes for more pornography? You mean to say that homosexuality is on the same level as perverted sex with animals??
Come on man (or woman - i have no idea what sex you are), this is all nonsense.
Book?
Perhaps you read in your daily newspaper the sad story about an Iranian 40-year old woman who had to escape to the UK because her female life companion, also Iranian, was taken to prison and who will probably be stoned to death? Imagine what it would be like to have to flee you home country just because you fell in love with the 'wrong' person. Talking about inhumane behaviour......
Turk, i specifically wanted to focus on the social aspect of the fate of homosexual couples in our society. The sexual (physiological) aspects are too, too private. I am not going to discuss anyone's sexual peculiarities here on this Bantaba, not mine and not yours or anyone's.
Sorry guys, i am pulling out because this discussion is not getting anywhere (just as i thought at the start). It is a pity, but it is also scary at the same time  . We are a long way off 'live and let live'.
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When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 13 Mar 2008 : 21:09:12
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Anna! With due RESPECT TO YOU (including ALL OTHER BANTABA MEMBERS), would dare not retort on your WILD ACCUSATIONS as construed on these words; "Hypocrite!" & "Nonsense!". I WOULD NEVER AGAIN BE into any arguments to EITHER INSULT OR BE IMPOLITE on this FORUM ;(as now I consider myself a MATURE MEMBER and felt that everyone deserve mutual RESPECT and our flow of deliberations must not be distorted with REMARKS that are not welcome, PROVOCATIVE & DISGUSTING). You have given a lot to this forum and I adhore you (amongst others) for the RESOURCEFULNESS, LIVELY & VIBRANT EXCHANGES.
gay-PARSHIP in Europe: CARRY ON WITH MAN TO MAN & LADY TO LADY under http://kw.gay.parship.co.uk/
Remember the CULTURES are different and if you ASSESS IT OR WEIGHT IT PROPERLY, there are MORE PORN, FREE SEX, GAY/HOMO & PERVERTED SEX in ADVANCE (INCLUDING AMERICA & EUROPEAN COUNTRIES) THAN OTHERS. As far as GAMBIAN CULTURE & RELIGION is concern, THEY DON'T CONDONE IT THERE. Its UNACCEPTABLE TO PROMOTE GAY/HOMO. RIGHTS FOR THE GAMBIA
The BOOK is ALL BOUT MORALS & RELIGION FOR ITS BELIEVERS!
Anyone who forward ANYTHING IS NO NONSENSE as far am concern.
Gay/Homo relationship has certain BARRIERS, when its done OPENLY. You din't saw the LOGIC was trying to highlight, when I mentioned about PORN etc. The more LIBERAL WE ARE THE MORE WE END UP DOING ALL KINDS NASTY GAMES TO SATISFY LUST. If we discount MORALITY, we may go back to "Hippi" days in the 60s for FREE SEX, DRUG USE/ABUSE (COCAINE etc) and CELEBRITY CULTURE TAKES ITS TOLL.
Without any BOOK OF MORALITY, then NO DETERRENT TO OUR ANIMAL INSTINCTS OF DOING WHATEVER YOU WANNA DO! You choose whether thats CIVILISED?
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 29 Mar 2008 : 23:13:58
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Anyone could exercise your will, choice or conviction to do what you wanna do Rightly so! Isn't it But there are MORE QUESTIONS than ANSWERS to DEFEND OR JUSTIFY LIBERTY, WILL OR RIGHTS & PROMOTOTION OF GAY/HOMOSEXUALS
In my opinion, I can only see certain ACTS (BEHAVIOURS) CONFRONTING MORALITY & SOCIAL ISSUES. Gay is about;
i) Where does it STARTS? It would not be difficult to deal with that as it equates with PERCEPTION FROM THE INDIVIDUAL MENTALITY (RIGHT OF CHOICE, LUST & PROMISCUITY)& AN OPEN-SOCIETY (LIBERAL TO DO WHAT YOU WANNA DO!)
Useful updates from BBC News; Gay men risk of HIV 'still high' under http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7318346.stm
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Edited by - kobo on 29 Mar 2008 23:51:09 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 05 Apr 2008 : 16:08:51
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Originally posted by toubab1020
This report in The Point shows the intolerance to homosexuals in Senegal,does such intolerance exist in Gambia ? It is a fact that such behaviour in some Western cultures is widely accepted is this wrong ? or should people rely solely on their own feelings over what is right and what is wrong? Is this another form of love?
http://www.thepoint.gm/headlines2783.htm
I think we need latest link from the Point Newspaper to show where GAMBIA stands on these ISSUES (under PRESENT REGIME); Jammeh Talks Tough, Declares Zero Tolerance on Racism, Gay-marriage http://thepoint.gm/article/2008/4/1/jammeh-talks-tough-declares-zero-tolerance-on-racism-gaymarriage |
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