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MeMe
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 Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 18:21:32
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Originally posted by Santanfara
mbay, your comments are interesting. you are writing in english as a foriegn language yet others who cannot even understand the simplest word in your mother tongue are bold enough to critise you for your level of english language writing ,that is abysmal. at least ,let us respect each others person. we may object to what some one wrote but his command of the language is not an issue.
Personally speaking, I often find it difficult to understand the points Mbay is trying to make due to the language factor which is a shame because it takes away from what could be an interesting topic/discussion. That's not criticism or lack of respect but a simple comment. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 18:41:15
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| There is a saying popular among quantum physicists that "the observer is part of what is observed", if you know what it means. Mammals are higher animals, and so most of their behavior including sexual behavior is learned. Many young mammals, especially males, learn sexual behavior by way of (play) running over and mounting one another (including with their mothers and siblings) without gender specificity. This can be observed in kids, lamb, calves, and many species of primates. But I have never observed any animal, beside humans, consistently affectionately attached to a same sex for sexual gratification. I believe most of human behavior, if not all of it, is learned. May be we need to further unravel Freud's 'Oedipus complex', but I think the works of Ivan Pavlov, B.F. Skinner, James Watson and other behaviorist theorist are very much right... |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 18:44:56
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| I have long ago given up trying to read Mbay (and Kobo), it takes the intelligence of a fortune teller to understand his writing... |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 19:06:42
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Queto:Santafaran
mbay, your comments are interesting. you are writing in english as a foriegn language yet others who cannot even understand the simplest word in your mother tongue are bold enough to critise you for your level of english language writing ,that is abysmal. at least ,let us respect each others person. we may object to what some one wrote but his command of the language is not an issue.
Brother Santa, don't mind them ,to be a begrudgingly about them is not reasonable.
there are people who are with a high degree of BP/BSL/BSGS/BD... but it is just a useless for some people.
What is funny about all this is that they comes out with their type of argument later in day but not in day breaks .
Am sure if he didn't get me well he wouldn't come out with his own perfect answers(opinion).
So Just let them have something to talks.
What i learn here in Bantaba is that no need to go like merrygoaround again ,We set up our mind and thats it!
Am waiting the next topic. |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 19:52:00
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Originally posted by kayjatta
There is a saying popular among quantum physicists that "the observer is part of what is observed", if you know what it means. Mammals are higher animals, and so most of their behavior including sexual behavior is learned. Many young mammals, especially males, learn sexual behavior by way of (play) running over and mounting one another (including with their mothers and siblings) without gender specificity. This can be observed in kids, lamb, calves, and many species of primates. But I have never observed any animal, beside humans, consistently affectionately attached to a same sex for sexual gratification. I believe most of human behavior, if not all of it, is learned. May be we need to further unravel Freud's 'Oedipus complex', but I think the works of Ivan Pavlov, B.F. Skinner, James Watson and other behaviorist theorist are very much right...
Kayjatta, I agree to most of what you said. My friend was talking about bisexuality, not strict homosexuality.
Coming from the Freudian school, Skinner & Co. have been a red rag to me.  Meanwhile I saw that the behaviorists have some interesting points.  But I still think the Oedipus/Elektra complex plays an important role in the sexual development of homosexuals.
Maybe the really 'sane' individual is the bisexual (or the one which is generally open to bisexuality), while rigid libido fixations, may they be homo- or heterosexual, make an individual unable to react and adjust to actual situations.  |
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tapalapa
United Kingdom
202 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 21:04:45
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I think it is time for the gay members on Bantaba to come out and help with this topic................??? or if this is not possible could we have a private vote by the moderator to determine how many gay members there are on Bantaba ?
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 06:38:23
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| Oh oh no finger pointing please Tapalapa, I do not think even MOE ( remember the APRC guy who was telling me if I were pulling his "knob"?) can stand it...:) |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 07:13:03
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Originally posted by kayjatta
I have long ago given up trying to read Mbay (and Kobo), it takes the intelligence of a fortune teller to understand his writing...
Hey Mbay and Kobo, I was just messing with you guys. Do not take me too seriously all the time okay :). I know Gambians generally are allergic to criticism but I love it, and sometimes it amazes me that I do not get my own fair share of it. For example if you look at my poem above (Patriot Act) there is huge grammatical error there, and even Santafara might compare only with George Bush in terms of spelling and pronounciation??? None of us is perfect here...
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Santanfara
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Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 09:28:20
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| kay ,that is a good spirit you just shown there. critism is good when done without malice. there is no problem in us asking each other for a bit of clarification. but to put it bluntly is too distasteful for my liking. we need to remember not all Gambian on this forum when to our conventional secular schools. this people are doing well by writing a fairly good english. people from my area in the gambia started attending secular school in the later part after our independence. so i hope we show a bit of understanding to some mispellings and wrong grammars. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 09:47:02
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 10:46:52
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Dear meme,wie heißt es schön, (Es ist schlimm wenn aller sprecht davon Aber noch schlimmer ist wenn kein redet)=
How nicely they says. it is bad if all speaks about it, however is even worse if none talks about it.
I dont know who's Mother tongue is English here or not, however i agree that some of you seems to be more close to it than I do. So when i tries to communicates with you in it you should be content about it, Abe?
Am not asking here some one to be my english teacher but
if some ones problems is lack of grammars or so(which i didnt see it so) then they should points out /correct at least one or two so next time that problems will not appears again. but it the case?.
What seems strange to me is that this kind is coming from those who dosent like see me/hear my name at the Bantaba at all?, this what i see as a shame but not my English .
I tried to connects with people in six different languages, good or bad, I call it a tolerant. as my people said, that language is the dune of humans life. but how mean of you tried it?
Kay,I dont if you are serious, however it is a surprise and good!
Thank you brother Santa.
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MeMe
United Kingdom
541 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 11:16:11
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Originally posted by mbay
Dear meme,wie heißt es schön, (Es ist schlimm wenn aller sprecht davon Aber noch schlimmer ist wenn kein redet)=
How nicely they says. it is bad if all speaks about it, however is even worse if none talks about it.
Maybe my German is a bit rusty but I think the translation of the sentence you put above is - it's bad when everyone is talking about it but it's even worse when there's no discussion. And discussion is what we're after here is it not?
And I stand by my previous statement that I often find it difficult to get what you are trying to say because of the language used so I either ignore your comments (not because I've formed an opinion of you, as you seem to think?) or just reply to a sentence I have understood.
If you would like me to, I could play at being a teacher and highlight the parts that I think are difficult to comprehend but that feels a bit impolite .....
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 11:58:41
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Ganz genau. im diesem falls hast du vollkommen recht.
I would never have a promlems to agree with my mistakes.
As kay said no one is perfect. while we here to exchanges the minds i think there should be also some to understand me if not we would not have it funny?(an sonst macht es kein Spaß).
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tamsier
United Kingdom
557 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 13:46:18
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mbaye! i have no problem in understanding what you say. english is not your mother tongue, it is something you have to learn. at least you've made the effort. the same cannot be said for the english who visits other people's countries [they always assume english would be spoken in that country, hence no reason to learn the local language - other parts of europe, africa, or anywhere else]. people should remember this before they criticise. from my experience, the gambians are the most obsessesed people when it comes to the english grammar. if anyone makes a grammatical error, they laugh at you. why? the person was not born with the language, he had to learn it. at least he is trying, and as far as i am concerned, i can understand him better than many of those who were born and breed in england - who can't even speak their own language properly.
so give the guy a break. if you cannot understand what he is saying, tell him so, but ask him to explain further - until you get the essense of his opinion.
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Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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MeMe
United Kingdom
541 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2008 : 14:14:31
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Originally posted by mbay
Ganz genau. im diesem falls hast du vollkommen recht.
I would never have a promlems to agree with my mistakes.
As kay said no one is perfect. while we here to exchanges the minds i think there should be also some to understand me if not we would not have it funny?(an sonst macht es kein Spaß).
For the benefit of those amongst us who do not understand German, you wrote "Ganz genau. im diesem falls hast du vollkommen recht" which translated into English means "That's right. In this case you are totally correct". My German isn't as rusty as I thought then 
However "if not we would not have it funny" didn't make sense to me until I read your German translation - "sonst macht es kein Spass" which I translated as "otherwise it wouldn't be fun" ... so you see, I do understand your German better than your English yet I'm Scottish Now what would Tamsier make of that???? No, wait ... he was talking about "the English" so obviously didn't mean me |
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Edited by - MeMe on 26 Feb 2008 14:16:50 |
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