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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 23 Feb 2008 : 20:02:20
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| Stupid books indeed. How can books be stupid ? It is people who could not read and understand what the books are about that are stupid or too lazy or too open minded to try and decipher what the books are about.Any time some people fail in certain subjects the excuse given is that the topics are either vague or full of crap so that way; get their escape.It is not by force to accept religion of any kind . Calling people who studied their religions and became convinced and enlightened stupid is an exercise in futility. Heaping insults on a book what ever it is, is escapist and defeatist in my view. Finally coming back to the topic of homosexuality , I think the best thing is for those engaged in the acts to do so and stop trying to get approval from the rest of society. That is a public domain and those who detest it would come out clearly against it and it matters not what one calls them ,the fact remains that it is their true opinion on the subject. After all, serial killers and baby dumpers too can claim that they are doing what they do because they have a right as humans and did not create their mind set but were born with that kind of trait.By the fore going I am not saying that homosexuals are murderers or heartless baby dumpers ; i just see a parallel in the description of people who claim that the subjects of this topic were born with the attributes which for some is a defect and for others a normal human phenomenon.Live your life and the effects of what you do is yours to find out either here on Earth or in the hereafter which some people do not believe exists. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 24 Feb 2008 : 00:20:29
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Let me say this again, Anna and Fee Sweetie, I am not against homosexuals and homosexuality. I have friends of my own who are or might be gay, and one or two in my extended family who might also be gay. I sincerely want all of them to live a normal life for who or what they are knowing that they are unconditionally accepted and loved by all. Besides, I have no concern whatsoever,what people do in the privacy of their homes as evident in this poem of mine (I am sorry to innundate you guys with my poetry, watch out for my book soon):
THE PATRIOT ACT :
KAYJATTA.
He cast his wide eyes
Uncle Sam 's peeping on me
Patriot Act that interest a war maker
All the obscenity I do
In my night time
My love 's all on the line
Thousands of miles away
Many years now
Without the Patriot Act
Yet we can't win the race
And my love can't be sustained
If I may lose all Patriot now
Peeping Tom
All the obscenity I live
In my night time
For my lover's on the line
Each time among the deck of cards is netted
She comes riding along
And if catastrophy 's averted
I climax , yet knowing
He cast his wide eyes,
Of John Ashcroft though
I 'm disturbed that
Uncle Sam 's peeping on me
All that I act that may
Interest a war maker.
All Rights reserved.
However, there is and should be a public policy concern where homosexuality as a behavior is the platform to create and bring up children. There is no authoritative scientific study that determines that homosexuality is a 'disease', and both clinical psychologists and psychiatrists, although they tried to stay away from judgment on the nature and origins of homosexuality, are not in agreement on the role of nature versus nurture in homosexuality. But Alvin Toffler, who taught 'sociology of the future' at Cornel University argued that the proliferation of same-sex households will no doubt dramatically change our concept of motherhood and fatherhood. The child raised in a homosexual household may not have a concept of a mother as a female parent or a father as a male parent. This child, however, is perhaps not more confused than the young woman who while filling a job application form pause at the old fashion question: married or single, and added a third choice for herself: not remarried.
Einstein once said that most great people are between the sexes, and may be both Isaac Newton and Michaelangelo were gay too.
My concern is purely a matter of public policy. It is and should be a huge societal interest how our children are raised. It is heartbreaking to see children languishing in opharnages, or struggling with single parents, but it is equally worrying for me to see increasingly large numbers of children adopted into morally and legally questionable households. You might wanna ask: whose morals? Well, in law the courts do not judge individual morality but they defend what is called public morality.
Thanks.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 24 Feb 2008 : 09:09:48
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disgusting free sweetie was talking some respect, tolarance once, suddenly, calling religions, books are stupid. No, your mother did not do a fantastic job because you have no respect of others. Will you teach your son to call other religions 'stupid'. Yes you will. And you will think that you will do a fantastic job. One thing I agree with you though. Samesex couples are capable of rasing child. An homosexual couple would teach your child much better values. Like respecting others. Right? I am ashamed that I am the same race like you. Human race. Anyway,
In my opinion, homosexuality is NOT due to biological reasons. It is learnt behaviour. At the same time, they should be able to do whatever sexual fantasy they like. I found gay community to be very liberal, educated nice people. I am against any form of discrimination against them. Not allowing them to marry does not make sense. Marriage is just a paper. As long as they want to have a relationship they should have it as all the other rights other heterosexual couples have.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 24 Feb 2008 : 10:57:09
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Turk, if homosexuality was learnt behaviour i am sure thousands of homosexual people would do anything they could to UNlearn it. This is because they know straight from the moment they discovered in themselves that it is only possible for them to fall in love with somebody from the same sex, they are in for a very, very unhappy life because they happened to be born in a society where being gay is not accepted for whatever reasons. Imagine what it must be llke to have to hide such an important aspect of your personal life! I maintain that it is not a disease and not a lifestyle, it is about a sexual preference that you have somehow been born with as this one out of 10 people.
I agree to the rest of your remark about homosexuality. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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fee_sweetie
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Feb 2008 : 13:08:03
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 BooHoo, oh no, ive upset turk!!!!! Boohoo Boohoo |
"Religion is an insult to human dignity. Without it you'd have good people doing good things + evil people doing evil things but for good people to do evil things it takes religion"- Richard Dawkins |
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2008 : 17:29:56
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fee-s,I heard this before and never i took it as offending and neither feeling ashamed.
Yes will not be bad if we can communicates in my mother tongue.
but still that, i don't think we would speaks the same language.
What I see here is that the misunderstanding is not the case of who rise the best English or has sharps tongue.
What you seems not realized is that to see how mean people lives in this globe who are not speaking the same language=(mind).
and so long you doesn't see that you will always believes that your words must be the last,(the Valuables one) which is nothing but a dream because that can never happens.
If you follows my posting from whole the yrs back, there nothing where it shows an forcing, unless again misunderstanding.
my arguments is always that unacceptable to me and not you dont have to accepts it, and i see that you didn't let me along with that same way /mind.
the arguments here is not that they dont have right to lives within their life's, yes that will be none sense from me if i believes it so, but lucky am not living back in stone ages.
You and I, like every one wishes to lives his /hers world and be happy with it but not that i most accept that all!
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turk
USA
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Posted - 24 Feb 2008 : 21:26:25
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anna
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Turk, if homosexuality was learnt behaviour i am sure thousands of homosexual people would do anything they could to UNlearn it.
I am not sure about that. Biologically, sexual experience by gay/lesbian does not result pregnancy. It is natural including animals, sex is all about reproductivity occurs because of male and female. Homosexual does not qualify with reproductivity. Only a few animals, i think monkey, dolphin and human would have sex just for pleasure. It is a control event. It is all about mental.
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This is because they know straight from the moment they discovered in themselves that it is only possible for them to fall in love with somebody from the same sex, they are in for a very, very unhappy life because they happened to be born in a society where being gay is not accepted for whatever reasons.
Aganin, falling love is NOT totally biological. It is more about mental. I would agree they fall in love someone, but has little to do with the biological reason. It is all about their control event. There are other sexual disorder i.e. child pornography molestic children, having sex with death, animals. Are they biological too? Or there are obsessions. To me, it is more to do with obsession of same sex. For example white women obsession with black male. Or male's obsession with younger girls etc.... They are all about control mental behavior. Homosexuality is not a disease, but it is sexual/mental psychological problem individuals have.
I see them as people who have psychological/socialogical problem. They should be accepted by society. There is nothing wrong with them. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 00:10:16
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Originally posted by turk
anna
For example white women obsession with black male. Or male's obsession with younger girls etc.... They are all about control mental behavior. Homosexuality is not a disease, but it is sexual/mental psychological problem individuals have.
I see them as people who have psychological/socialogical problem. They should be accepted by society. There is nothing wrong with them.
That's torn it now Turk, I thought that you had chilled out recently!!!
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 04:44:35
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| tooooooobab. huh. what. what is your objection? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 08:56:11
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Originally posted by mbay
fee-s,I heard this before and never i took it as offending and neither feeling ashamed.
Yes will not be bad if we can communicates in my mother tongue.
but still that, i don't think we would speaks the same language.
What I see here is that the misunderstanding is not the case of who rise the best English or has sharps tongue.
What you seems not realized is that to see how mean people lives in this globe who are not speaking the same language=(mind).
and so long you doesn't see that you will always believes that your words must be the last,(the Valuables one) which is nothing but a dream because that can never happens.
If you follows my posting from whole the yrs back, there nothing where it shows an forcing, unless again misunderstanding.
my arguments is always that unacceptable to me and not you dont have to accepts it, and i see that you didn't let me along with that same way /mind.
the arguments here is not that they dont have right to lives within their life's, yes that will be none sense from me if i believes it so, but lucky am not living back in stone ages.
You and I, like every one wishes to lives his /hers world and be happy with it but not that i most accept that all!
mbay, your comments are interesting. you are writing in english as a foriegn language yet others who cannot even understand the simplest word in your mother tongue are bold enough to critise you for your level of english language writing ,that is abysmal. at least ,let us respect each others person. we may object to what some one wrote but his command of the language is not an issue. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 09:52:56
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However
Every society have different cultures, values and need. The rights for homosexuality may be significant for western societies. It may not have the same urgency for gambian society. And there is nothing wrong for that. Socities have different priorities and the rights of homosexuals are well below in their priorty list for gambia.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 10:17:58
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| Injustice anywhere is injustice everywhere! My objection to homosexuality as a behavior has to do with its impact/influence on innocent children who are created or adopted and raised in that environment. What adults do between or among themselves should be respected everywhere... |
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
1169 Posts |
Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 12:16:12
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| Injustice is a valid point but I think it cannot be unjust to deny a moslem or Christian marriage to Homosexuals because from the very beginning of those religions such behavioral traits were objected to in their totality.Therefore if the perpetrators desire to go on to the marital pedestal they can do so by all means and not invade the religious sectors aforementioned to be accepted.Going to a mosque and ask to be accepted in that milieu albeit a clear display of a difference of belief and doctrine on ones part is tantamount to trespass and if rejected by those who opposed your behavior one cannot turn to justice. The perpetrators can go build their own chapels or mosques and do their things there! no problem but cannot foist their thing on to others by force ,this is justice for every one.As for the bantaba it is a free forum and asking our opinion on any subject is like opening Pandora's box anything can come out pleasant and otherwise;that is a fact.One person's justice is another person's injustice; especially on the religious and moral plain.Some people go on in life; blinkered ,others with eyes wide open ,yet see nothing and sense no evil but that's their life to live, it only becomes contentious where you ask others to accept your personal attitudes and moral values even where it assaults that of other people.The fact remains that for same sex partners to get children they need to go outside their dual relation to a third party to secure that objective; a surrogate or other facility.What they fail to consider is the right of the said child ,does he/she have any choice in that decision and if it turns out later in life that the said person did not like the said arrangement it would have been too late to reverse any way as it has already be done and cannot be undone.The ignored aspects also touches on the right of the child's absent parent, the one who for one reason or other was not consulted on the issue of where the said child would be be brought up. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 12:31:48
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Although some churches now bless same-sex unions, i do not think it is realistic for gays to expect any church or mosque to bless their relationship. Most religious denominations categorically denounce homosexuality even though it is pervasive in the catholic church particularly.
However, in many places in the developed world the law has provided a procedure for gays to formalize their relations in the form of a civil union which is a little short of the traditional heterosexual marriage. The law is for everyone, while religion is for those who subscribe.
Again my concern is the young ones that are swept into all this... |
Edited by - kayjatta on 25 Feb 2008 12:32:26 |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 25 Feb 2008 : 17:48:54
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Could anyone please explain to me why the two MALE dogs I saw one day on a beach were having sex?
I asked a friend who is a biologist about this strange phenomenon and she said that bisexuality is relatively frequent among mammals. It seems that only spiders, flies, snakes etc. are strictly hetero. I feel respect for these very, very old lifeforms - but do we really want to return to this evolutionary level? |
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