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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
 Posted - 04 Feb 2008 : 14:27:50
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What a heart bleeding TRUE story!
Onewayticket to Hell  .
Yes Its that aspiration in us that some time ends at this way,
A high way without an ending.
i could bring this story to some one i personal knows and that man
is now also in his 60s! and not just him but some of my own friends.
I will ask Brother Santa if i should forward this undenied fact to some of them, which i know will cost me some friends as it almost happen to me before with my own halve brother.
Oh the poor families of those losing sons, what are making you do this to your beloving one, as if you don't know what your family's are going through, particular your wives. They are going through the hell, Not only stomach pain they're going through but also physical burden too cos their husband are not around (most of us know here what the talk is)which turned to the hazard things, like unwanted child which is unbearable for them to come out and speak, for them is the END of ALL, there is no more valour in their small world.
they will be spiting from every corner, from a person which before will never comes in to they mind that this person will have unwelcoming words toward them.
Which man will said that he can stays for several months/yrs without a woman?,The women are no different from us, in fact they're effects even more than us!.
About two yrs back, a friend of my brings his sister to the hospital at Basse, and meets one sad case with uncle Dr.
He said. see what you Serrahouleh people are doing to your women because of money!(as a joke)
but some days later that wasn't anmore a joke because the women has passed away! She pass away not because of simple illness but of the failure of her husband for leaving her back some yrs alone! according to Uncle Dr.
Though even sending enough money back could not make this better.
So see what we are doing to our innocent ones! we are causing a tremendous failure in this people's world, its not easy for them to stay in their loving community anymore, as we know how our women's loves this society's, so imaging one day this all is over, no more a small talks with friends/family's.
We all knows this because it happens to some one before we leaft home, one may says that he had never seeing it but not hearing it from Aunt Mariyamu Or Aisaytou, that Grandma is simple untrue!.
Brothers / GrandPa's: this stories From Brother Santa may will be hard for you but would you disagree with the fact.
Only the true will reviles, And the judgement day surly will not be avoided!.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 04 Feb 2008 : 15:31:14
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Yes quite so,so the moral of this story is surley,stay at home with your wives and family,live within your means and be happy,OR travel abroad within the laws and regulations of the country you are going to taking your wives and family with you,make a new life there and be happy and live within your means.
problem solved. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 04 Feb 2008 : 16:36:14
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Brother Santa, . May Allah, Subhan Wataala Rewards you for this your unique great job here.
I see some took it funny or misunderstanding it. Yes even being angry about it.
Am just wondering if they real know what you are talking about, since this people are living in the free world so everything is for them free. say what you want , do what you want. But not in some peoples world, but let it be that. and let it also be they believes that some of us hates West. Yes there are some but I personally only knows that I will not like to stay somewhere where i dosnt like to be. Its so funny by allowing critics but not accepting its roots. how that comes
My only hope is that this people who should took a note shall show their humanity side.
If one follows your topic should see that, problems creates only another problems and not solving it.
Yes we are here, as one were in our world for good fortunes, But by all means
So Bro. keep your head up, some peoples who are finding themselves in this situation may dislike what you write but for sure they know what you are talking about.
It is just different world we are living so that will be hard to know each other.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 04 Feb 2008 : 18:48:39
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mbay ,thanks for the kind words. and also toubab, thanks for your last post that is the moral of the story in short.
i went out of my way to narrate mokendy's former trade just to give a background of who he was. that is to give credit to his kindness and good natured. he may have changed. people change. but what i am passing across affects africans and gambains in particular. mbay hit the nail on the head. those who have abandon their love ones knows what i am talking about. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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toubab1020
12309 Posts |
Posted - 04 Feb 2008 : 18:48:43
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Mbay,its a bit like politics then, people are able to have different points of view,arn't they?
I am living in a free world complete with taxes and Government interference,yep great to be free.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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mbay
Germany
1007 Posts |
Posted - 04 Feb 2008 : 19:21:22
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You welcome Santa.
T1020. enjoy you free world so long you can.
sadly that this people dosent knows this your honeyclub. |
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twinkly
United Kingdom
190 Posts |
Posted - 04 Feb 2008 : 23:13:11
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Santanfara
I admire your strenght and patience, and keep up your good intentions
It is indeed a sad story and I don't want to comment, but just to say a quick thank you for trying to inspire us with knowledge and understanding of each other.Don't give up, some toubabs DO appreciate your efforts and learn from it.
Maybe they just keep quiet and don't want to be associated with this bickering and intolerant attitudes.I will continue practising my patience and not comment further.But please take these words as an encouragement to keep up your good work. |
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2008 : 00:31:28
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Bickering and intolerant attitudes? Twinkly, i suppose you refer to my reaction.
Isn't it much fairer to say that it is naive of some people to think that going to Europe or the US will make them 'amass wealth'? Who put this idea into Africans' heads? What wealth? Can't people understand that in order to work in the Western world, you also have to live here, which involves as Toubab1020 already said, paying tax a.o. and to deal with the high cost of living? I agree 100% to Santanfara's statement that this pursuing of wealth is causing grievance to families because wives are left behind, sometimes for ever.
But sometimes the wives too want their husbands to 'amass wealth'. And the families, the families and their expectations........we talked about this extensively in a former thread.
I am astonished about the following quotes from the article, and YES - they make me so angry:
'.. the ambition (of the husbands leaving to amass wealth) is to change lifestyle with houses, cars, jewellery and luxury commodities.'...WHAT?? Jewellery - is that what this is all about?? Where is the love? Would you want your husband to leave you so as to get you some jewellery? Sorry, this is alien to me - and i am a 'Westerner', never been interested in jewellery in my life.
'America and the rest of Europe (sic) have damaged the relationship of this once affectionate husband and father'! Of course, who else could have done the damaging? Blame, blame again and never take responsibility for your own decisions.
'Does it make any difference to the West that they are contributing to devastating good family ties'. Who is contributing to the devastating here?? This abstract thing that we can so easily call 'the West'?? Or the families who will not tolerate the husband/son/brother coming back empty-handed?
Mr Mokende might be dead, Mr Mokende might be living happily ever after with his American wife, Mr Mokende might be living in poverty, too ashamed and too much out of money to return to his wives. Is 'the West' to blame, or did Mr Mokende just take the wrong decision?
When is this culture of always blaming 'the West' ever going to stop? When is the expectancy ever becoming realistic instead of expecting more and more of the family member living in 'the West'?
Don't think i do not know what i am talking about! I am confronted with it on a daily basis.
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When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2008 : 00:33:43
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quote:
Originally posted by twinkly
Santanfara
I admire your strenght and patience, and keep up your good intentions
It is indeed a sad story and I don't want to comment, but just to say a quick thank you for trying to inspire us with knowledge and understanding of each other.Don't give up, some toubabs DO appreciate your efforts and learn from it.
Maybe they just keep quiet and don't want to be associated with this bickering and intolerant attitudes.I will continue practising my patience and not comment further.But please take these words as an encouragement to keep up your good work.
jerejef and abaraka (thank you) twinky. we all learn from each other. you are right patience is a virtue. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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toubab1020
12309 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2008 : 01:23:36
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| Anna, watch that blood pressure,you will explode,you and twinky have always had opposing views in 2007 remember the topic "Cooking Oil saga". |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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anna
Netherlands
730 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2008 : 11:41:54
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Everything fine here, Toubab - i didn't explode !
Well, what is wrong with opposing views? They keep the debate lively.
I am sincerely hoping to hear from Santanfara. I have always read all his postings with interest and respect (even though there were sometimes 'opposing views' there too, but hey - that's life) and i will go on doing so. I think in a former debate he and i agreed to the fact that expectancy from the family 'back home' was the killer.
The passages from his article that i quoted, give off a wrong signal to Gambians both at home and abroad in my opinion. With all my heart i believe the article was too soft on the Gambians leaving home and too hard on 'the West'.
How i wish a Gambian would have the heart to write an article about how there is not much 'wealth to be amassed' here, about how long it would take for an honest worker here to be able to send money home and about how this money should be used for daily necessities and for the education of the children and for investments in small businesses maybe - so family members could make money themselves back home. Well, there is so much more to be said about this....but i have to rush off and go to work. To my classes full of young Africans and veiled women who all want to study and have their own career and i will help them get there, no matter what  . |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2008 : 12:00:11
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| Thanks Santa, I will probably post my review if time permits... |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
541 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2008 : 18:06:41
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quote:
Originally posted by anna
Everything fine here, Toubab - i didn't explode !
Well, what is wrong with opposing views? They keep the debate lively.
I am sincerely hoping to hear from Santanfara. I have always read all his postings with interest and respect (even though there were sometimes 'opposing views' there too, but hey - that's life) and i will go on doing so. I think in a former debate he and i agreed to the fact that expectancy from the family 'back home' was the killer.
The passages from his article that i quoted, give off a wrong signal to Gambians both at home and abroad in my opinion. With all my heart i believe the article was too soft on the Gambians leaving home and too hard on 'the West'.
How i wish a Gambian would have the heart to write an article about how there is not much 'wealth to be amassed' here, about how long it would take for an honest worker here to be able to send money home and about how this money should be used for daily necessities and for the education of the children and for investments in small businesses maybe - so family members could make money themselves back home. Well, there is so much more to be said about this....but i have to rush off and go to work. To my classes full of young Africans and veiled women who all want to study and have their own career and i will help them get there, no matter what .
I totally agree with your comments regarding this, Anna, but the day that a man (any man) would actually come right out and 'lose face' amongst his peers by telling the truth will be a long time coming if you ask me It's like expecting a man who is lost to stop someone and ask for directions .... ain't gonna happen Mars vs Venus ..... |
It is better to die standing than to live on your knees - Ernesto Guevara de la Serna |
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Dalton1
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Posted - 05 Feb 2008 : 19:12:00
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Thanks all for the insight on this topic. Among the many others, it is balanced by the many rejoinders. All along, I was longing for a topic to debate my eloquent uncle Suntou. This is one topic I will take him for a ride as time permits –Allah willing.
I am pro immigrants and in the past, people agreed that my prose and poetry clearly indicated so. I participated in a lot of rallies supporting their existence and respect for their rights. The life of an immigrant is like that of a bird. The bird doesn’t have a store of food or clothing at its disposal but yet lives daily on ‘hope over fear’ [Obama.] The bird would have to move around in search of greener pastures.
My honorable Uncle’s argument holds water. In fact countless Gambians and non Gambians will fall a trap. If the author’s write-up is only for the provocation of the social vice which is abandonment of their spouses back home intentionally, then the sin has no bounds. Preachers just like many other commentators are duty-bound to constructively criticize their wrongs and shortcomings with a hope to end the night-mare.
From there on, the bigger picture remains why do people move from one place to another? It is easier to argue on the side of immigrants than to oppose them. Even the prophet of Islam, Muhammad (PBUH) was an immigrant in Madina, so are the thousands of his followers. The great Shahabas/ deciples used to leave their homes to spread the words of God –leaving their beloved wives and children. I am sure not most Gambians (ditto!) are probably doing that but 99% of those in the diasporas are supporting their families in a number of ways. If ‘wishes were horses then beggars will ride.’ The struggle for the soul includes spreading the word of God; supporting the sick, oppressed and suffering; empowering the weak; and standing for a just world.
To be continued... |
"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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jambo
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Posted - 05 Feb 2008 : 19:44:13
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can I ask, please don't shout, what was the point of this story
dalton1, i love your posting |
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