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Santanfara
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 Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 11:03:18
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http://www.senegambianews.com/article.cfm?articleID=2127
.this story was also carried by www.gainako.com. i thank the editors for a job well done. lets us think about our country men in situations like that of mokendy. do you know any one in this sad situation?
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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toubab1020
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Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 13:14:43
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Yes a very sad situation,am I wrong in thinking that Mokendy sends no money to those he abandoned in Gambia,his wives,his children?
I read the piece and didn't see anything in it other than to feel sorry for Mokendy the person who fled the country owing money,am I wrong?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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jambo
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Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 18:04:31
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| i am not understanding this, is he trapped in the US becuase he has no visa to travel, he should go the Gambian embassy and get one, he is returning home. I do not buy that excuse. In 15 years he could have made one trip back. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 18:23:20
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jambo, you don't seems to understand the dynamic of being on a temporal visa in an hostile country like the u.s and many european countries. the man couldn't return ,he will need to apply for another visa. for that short coming they prefer to stay and find other solutions. that venture takes them in years.
toubab, mokendy as i narrated provide for all his family's needs. every thing, except himself.
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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jambo
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Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 19:24:30
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| so you are saying that he entered on a temporary Visa, overstayed and now cannot return, why is USA hostile, has he settled, started another family, are they paying taxes. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 02 Feb 2008 : 23:18:01
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Santa,I take it these are the words you refer to(copied below). I didn't interpret them to mean that he has constantly provided for his wives and children whilst he was "on a temporal visa in a hostile country like the us" for 15 years,sorry but it looks as though he shouldn't be there now anyway.
Mr Mokende did every thing for his family. He bought
them every thing they need material wise. He bought them a car to transport them anywhere they wish
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 03 Feb 2008 : 07:49:20
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| precisely toubab. he shouldn't be there at the detriment of his family. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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jambo
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Posted - 03 Feb 2008 : 16:52:16
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| PLEASE EXPLAIN he will need to apply for another visa. for that short coming they prefer to stay and find other solutions |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 03 Feb 2008 : 18:39:13
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Santanfara, nice to be able to see a face in my mind when i read your postings!
As to the story of Mr Mokende: he will probably have started a new family in the US. Why blame the US or 'other European countries' (i am quoting you because as far as i know the US is not a European country). What nonsense is this, if someone wants to come back, he can come back - especially Mr Mokende with his good head for business. To me it seems as if he just fled (his debts, his wives - who knows). I feel sorry for the wives and but mostly i feel sorry for the children. Something else struck me in your article: you were talking about abandoned wives, falling 'victim to unwanted pregnancy'. How is that done? Were the women raped, or were they just fed up keeping themselves chaste for a husband who showed no intention of coming back?
My, my - what a mess! Don't be an ostrich and put your head in the sand. Some people just leave and they are too much of a coward to tell the one(s) they leave behind that nothing will make them come back ever. |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 03 Feb 2008 : 19:55:44
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Anna I am glad that I am not on the wrong side of you  I can feel the vibrations from your anger when you wrote your posting on this piece  the serious problems that Mokende is facing 15 years in the USA without a visa, can't come back to his homland Gambia and see his wives and family not forgetting those who he owes money to, one must feel sorry for this poor unfortunate who has been sucked in so unfairley by the tide of money and capitalism,one must really pity him  ( I take it that the newspaper articles were serious and it was not just a piece of journalism written whilst the coffee was brewing) |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 03 Feb 2008 : 21:04:33
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You are right, Toubab1020 - and you are very good at 'feeling vibrations'. The article makes me furious  !
So, Mr Mokende was doing well in the Gambia, he helped out students and he took good care of his family. But in the end 'he bit off more that he could chew'. Why, what for? Because he had to keep building because his friends and neighbours 'all had nice houses and seating rooms'. He got himself into trouble, his bank got out of business, and people were breathing in his neck. He fled the country and his obligations, going to the US to try and make money. He succeeded to pay his debts (says the article). Where does it say that he did not have the necessary papers? That US regulations made it impossible for him to return to his home country? Nowhere! So: Mr Mokende liked American life, maybe he found himself an American woman.
The blaming, blaming - always of Western countries/governments/legislation etc. Instead of blaming the men or women who left never meaning to return. Or maybe meaning to return, but falling for Western life and its advantages or for the charms of one of its inhabitants. And the women are left behind, 'falling victim to......'. Yeah, yeah.......
There are always victims, but it seems there never are people who could have done a better job taking responsibility for their own lives and for the ones that depend on them. Oh, poor children who are the only real victims in this whole story and many other stories like this one  . |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
Amadou Hampate Ba (Mali) |
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toubab1020
12309 Posts |
Posted - 03 Feb 2008 : 23:23:05
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Anna, you better stay out of the way of the Social workers and the politically correct lobby!!
Talking common sense like that!! |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 04 Feb 2008 : 08:19:20
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anna,thanks for scrutinising the piece. i will just clarify one or two issues conecrning your responses. I did not blame the west for the conditions of mokendy. i catagorically made it abundantly clear that he is responsible solely for his lack of care towards his family. the only point i blame the u.s and america is the control mechanisim meted out to african immigrants. if you feel i am too harsh on europe and america on that ,then we have a difference of opinion.
secondly, i did not blame his wives for any thing. the comment concerning unwanted pregnancies are a general comment to all those men who abandon their family for material gains. i stated that in situations where the wife got pregenant ,this becomes a sad issue.none of mokendy's wive got pregnant in his long absence.
i blame mokendy for locking hismelf in an open prison. beleive it or not ,there are many doing as he is even today.
toubab, please do not mix up issues .i enjoy reading your postings but some times you just comment without first reading the whole story. i feel you have made injustice to the article from the start by making comment that are misleading.
there are many old gambain men living in u.s and europe and with families back home. this is not a the making of the west. but this men wants to gain what is hard to posssess. in the pursuit of paper and money they get trapped for years. yes, they should know better but the sad thing is they don't. that is the story. nothing about blaming the west. i hardly do that anna. people travel to the west by choice. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 04 Feb 2008 : 08:57:18
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Toubab, i see i need not tell you i have a deep distrust of anything to do with social workers and that i detest the being politically correct against better judgment, which is what we see everywhere around us nowadays. I am a little bit puzzled. How comes you seem to know what is in my mind?
Santanfara, thank you for reacting to my postings.
If your article wanted to say what is in your last posting, then you failed to make that clear unless the article was written as a 'parody', in irony (which i think was not what you meant to do). You clearly presented Mr Mokende as a 'victim' and i am happy that now you tell us that he is to be blamed, really. I think you should take into account that this Mr M is very happy at the moment in his 'open prison', which might to him be less of a prison than the life he had with three (!) wives and debtors all over the place in the Gambia. I never said his wives did anything wrong, i was having great trouble to grasp how women can fall victim to unwanted pregnancy - unless you talk about rape, which is the lowest of low man can get to.
Yes, we will probably not agree on how 'hard Western governments are making it for the African immigrant', but i have to admit i know nothing about US legislation on this point.
You know, Santanfara: i believe strongly in free will and taking responsibility for one's life. Just as strongly i dislike (to put it mildly) the neverending blaming of others or of circumstances for one's failure.
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When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 04 Feb 2008 : 11:47:18
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quote:
Originally posted by anna
[I am a little bit puzzled. How comes you seem to know what is in my mind?
i dislike (to put it mildly) the neverending blaming of others or of circumstances for one's failure.
Anna,similar DNA I suppose.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 04 Feb 2008 : 11:57:05
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[quote]Originally posted by Santanfara
toubab, please do not mix up issues .i enjoy reading your postings but some times you just comment without first reading the whole story. i feel you have made injustice to the article from the start by making comment that are misleading.
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Your opinion,which you are entitled ,if everyone agreed with everything there would be no discussion ,as you can see there are others here who are thinking along the same lines as myself,and that the whole of the piece was meant to show that Mr M was a VICTIM,I disagree with that.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 04 Feb 2008 12:15:33 |
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