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Alhassan
Sweden
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 Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 20:37:20
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Originally posted by mansasulu
No. Is anyone claiming muslim holidays are not observed in Gambia?
mansasulu,
I surpose God is seeing us every day. The evel that men do lives after them. I have no doubts that God foegives all who do as they are asked to. All belivers will be pardoned .
You can try your luck when in the Gambia to propagate SHARIA.
We have a lots of Islamic scholars, Bye Nyass, Mam Borom Toba, Seikhou Omar and the Sey family. They were all great men and have followers all over the world. One has never heard them suggesting SHARIA law in our area. Please correct me if I am wrong, |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 20:37:20
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Originally posted by mansasulu
No. Is anyone claiming muslim holidays are not observed in Gambia?
mansasulu,
I surpose God is seeing us every day. The evel that men do lives after them. I have no doubts that God foegives all who do as they are asked to. All belivers will be pardoned .
You can try your luck when in the Gambia to propagate SHARIA.
We have a lots of Islamic scholars, Bye Nyass, Mam Borom Toba, Seikhou Omar and the Sey family. They were all great men and have followers all over the world. One has never heard them suggesting SHARIA law in our area. Please correct me if I am wrong, |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 22:27:18
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I have great respect for all the islamic scholars you mentioned. However, I am not following their Islam. May I also reind you that those scholars did not advocate for secularism or democracy. Rather I am following the Islam brought to us by Our Nabi Muhammad (SAW)and the four Khulafa ul Rasudeen, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman and Ali (RA). You will agree with me that they all implemented Shariah.
If Allah asks you tommorrow why you didn't strive to implement his law on the land, merely stating that the islamic scholars you mentioned did not preach it will not be enough. The prophet left us with two things when he left, the Quran and his Sunna and today we continue to read them without implementing their rulings. And we all wonder why we have a tyrant ruling us. Until we return to the path of Allah we will continue to live under tyranny, oppression and poverty. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 23 Feb 2007 22:29:07 |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 22:27:18
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I have great respect for all the islamic scholars you mentioned. However, I am not following their Islam. May I also reind you that those scholars did not advocate for secularism or democracy. Rather I am following the Islam brought to us by Our Nabi Muhammad (SAW)and the four Khulafa ul Rasudeen, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman and Ali (RA). You will agree with me that they all implemented Shariah.
If Allah asks you tommorrow why you didn't strive to implement his law on the land, merely stating that the islamic scholars you mentioned did not preach it will not be enough. The prophet left us with two things when he left, the Quran and his Sunna and today we continue to read them without implementing their rulings. And we all wonder why we have a tyrant ruling us. Until we return to the path of Allah we will continue to live under tyranny, oppression and poverty. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 23 Feb 2007 22:29:07 |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 22:54:07
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If Jammeh is such a tyrant then why did 67% of the electorate vote for him at the elections, were they forced to vote for him at gun point? And also how many Tyrants in history have practiced healing the sick? Normally Tyrants systematically kill their populace?
One of the beauty's of Gambia is that it has religious tolerance. Therefore I don't see any reason why Sharia Law has to become mandatory. It is a respected code of conduct which is not imposed on the populace. In Northern Nigeria where Sharia Law has been implemented it predates Colonialism and the system is still in place by the consenus of the muslim population who have sustained its precepts.
I agree that in the long-term Africans must evolve their own system of goverance for the betterment of the continent. It is true that democracy has been an external imposition which is far from perfect. It's rules can often be described as a double standard because when the people exercise their democratic rights and they go against the interests of external forces their states are distabilized. However it's important that we relearn and take from our traditions what is feasible for sustained stability and progressive evolution. So that Africa can once again rise as a Phenonix from its ashes and take its rightful place within the International Community.
Peace
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Peace
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 23 Feb 2007 : 22:54:07
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If Jammeh is such a tyrant then why did 67% of the electorate vote for him at the elections, were they forced to vote for him at gun point? And also how many Tyrants in history have practiced healing the sick? Normally Tyrants systematically kill their populace?
One of the beauty's of Gambia is that it has religious tolerance. Therefore I don't see any reason why Sharia Law has to become mandatory. It is a respected code of conduct which is not imposed on the populace. In Northern Nigeria where Sharia Law has been implemented it predates Colonialism and the system is still in place by the consenus of the muslim population who have sustained its precepts.
I agree that in the long-term Africans must evolve their own system of goverance for the betterment of the continent. It is true that democracy has been an external imposition which is far from perfect. It's rules can often be described as a double standard because when the people exercise their democratic rights and they go against the interests of external forces their states are distabilized. However it's important that we relearn and take from our traditions what is feasible for sustained stability and progressive evolution. So that Africa can once again rise as a Phenonix from its ashes and take its rightful place within the International Community.
Peace
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Peace
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Aku_pickin
Christmas Island
162 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2007 : 18:06:29
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May Lord/Allah help us all. I'm Christian but I respect all religions. I'm quite surprised at with what am reading here. Christians and Muslims have lived in peace in the Gambia for a long time. Am starting to get a sense that this may change due to the radical views of a few. No religion is perfect folks. It is up to you the individual to live your live in the most moral and dignified way. Remember we are all brothers and sisters at the end.
Friday's are a half day in the Gambia. At noon, people leave for prayers. Muslims are not being short changed as someone mentioned. In fact most government offices have mosques on their premises no one has and should not complain about it. Now I ask you, would you complain if the tables were turned and all government ministries had churches instead?
Shariah is not going to deter people from committing offences. No system is perfect. The system can only be improved once we have educated the populace. Even then this system and any system will never be 100% perfect.
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Aku_pickin
Christmas Island
162 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2007 : 18:06:29
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May Lord/Allah help us all. I'm Christian but I respect all religions. I'm quite surprised at with what am reading here. Christians and Muslims have lived in peace in the Gambia for a long time. Am starting to get a sense that this may change due to the radical views of a few. No religion is perfect folks. It is up to you the individual to live your live in the most moral and dignified way. Remember we are all brothers and sisters at the end.
Friday's are a half day in the Gambia. At noon, people leave for prayers. Muslims are not being short changed as someone mentioned. In fact most government offices have mosques on their premises no one has and should not complain about it. Now I ask you, would you complain if the tables were turned and all government ministries had churches instead?
Shariah is not going to deter people from committing offences. No system is perfect. The system can only be improved once we have educated the populace. Even then this system and any system will never be 100% perfect.
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Justice must be served as impunity brings more repression and corruption! |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2007 : 18:15:01
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okay let me ask you tis, in gambia the christian holidays are easter and christmas correct, the arabic schools do not have to close down, but the christian schools. I cannot speak for the general government schools i will ask someone else to answer that. Christmas is one day in Gambia and Easter is two days. i think school holidays are built around that, but not as a celebration more of end of term, mid term education days off. I also think that christmas is taken from colonial days, but becuase it is the same day every year 25th dec. it is easier to plan a calendar around a set date if you wre running a business and knew the dates for islamic calendar you would plan ahead. That is what schools have to do. you cannot start the school year and not plan the term dates.
so correct me if i am wrong but that is 3 days for christain celbrations, i am sure there are more than that for the islamic calendar. i thought there were at least 10 days for prophets celebrations.
i am not worried about taxis or supermarkets but making the point that these are cash businesses and open on any holy day christian and muslim am i not correct. next time you go to senegambia you will see many businesses open that are run on a cash basis, bars, restaurants, garages. hotels etc
My question to you is this how would you stop the trading.
Jambo, I don't have a problem with your Sabbath or your Sunday, since you cant make up your mind which is holy to you. You dont have a problem resting on those two days, but you are worried about running of taxis, and supermarkets on Friday? This is he epitomy of hypocrisy. What I have a problem is claiming that Gambia is a democratic and secular country and yet still the minority has more "holydays." Dont you find it ironic that the majority of school holidays are crafted around christian holidays even though christians are less that 10%. You called that democraticgambia celebrates |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2007 : 18:15:01
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okay let me ask you tis, in gambia the christian holidays are easter and christmas correct, the arabic schools do not have to close down, but the christian schools. I cannot speak for the general government schools i will ask someone else to answer that. Christmas is one day in Gambia and Easter is two days. i think school holidays are built around that, but not as a celebration more of end of term, mid term education days off. I also think that christmas is taken from colonial days, but becuase it is the same day every year 25th dec. it is easier to plan a calendar around a set date if you wre running a business and knew the dates for islamic calendar you would plan ahead. That is what schools have to do. you cannot start the school year and not plan the term dates.
so correct me if i am wrong but that is 3 days for christain celbrations, i am sure there are more than that for the islamic calendar. i thought there were at least 10 days for prophets celebrations.
i am not worried about taxis or supermarkets but making the point that these are cash businesses and open on any holy day christian and muslim am i not correct. next time you go to senegambia you will see many businesses open that are run on a cash basis, bars, restaurants, garages. hotels etc
My question to you is this how would you stop the trading.
Jambo, I don't have a problem with your Sabbath or your Sunday, since you cant make up your mind which is holy to you. You dont have a problem resting on those two days, but you are worried about running of taxis, and supermarkets on Friday? This is he epitomy of hypocrisy. What I have a problem is claiming that Gambia is a democratic and secular country and yet still the minority has more "holydays." Dont you find it ironic that the majority of school holidays are crafted around christian holidays even though christians are less that 10%. You called that democraticgambia celebrates |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2007 : 19:23:33
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Originally posted by mansasulu
No. Is anyone claiming muslim holidays are not observed in Gambia?
Then why the question more 'holydays'for the minority who i guess are the christians? If their religion has more holidays so be it. Or do you want us to have extra or create new holydays for the Muslims? |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 24 Feb 2007 : 19:23:33
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Originally posted by mansasulu
No. Is anyone claiming muslim holidays are not observed in Gambia?
Then why the question more 'holydays'for the minority who i guess are the christians? If their religion has more holidays so be it. Or do you want us to have extra or create new holydays for the Muslims? |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 15:59:06
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Wow, I have been away for a weekend and all hell threatens to break lose. I will take your concerns turn by turn.
1. Saddam Hussein was a tyrant and always garnered 99.96 % of the vote everytime a referendum is carried out on him. So the fact ta 67% of Gambians voted for Jammeh does not mean he is not a tyrant. The problem with Gambian politics is the lack of a genuine oppossition to Jammeh. In the absence of genuine leadership, the people will listen to anyone who steps on the podium. This is the case in Gambia.
2. I am not against any religion. I dont have a problem with anyone practising any religion. What I have a problem with trying to hide behind the issue of secularism while our laws are inherently influenced by judeo-christian principles from the colonial days. All I am calling for is have a genuine dabate on the issue and give the Gambian people the final say on what course they want to follow. Enough with all the educating people and stuff. We have followed the same course since independence, and our situation is worst now. We even have a bigger tyrant leading us now, than before. The claim that Shariah is not going to deter people from offenses is nonsense. We all know that people will continue to commit offenses whether its shariah or not. The issue here is the frequency of those offenses. We have lived in a western style democratic system for 42 years, and offenses are growing exponentially from corruption down to immorality.
3. Why cant you speak for the general government schools? That is the issue here. I dont have a problem with the Christian and other religions to end their terms around their holidays. What I have a problem with is telling everybody we are secular and yet still force every government school to shut down around christian holidays. And who told you there are "10 days for the prophets celebrations" ? Celebrating what?? and which profhets?
4. No I dont want anymore holidays created for anyone. What I am trying to point out that we claim to secular when in actuality we are not. If democracy today is secular, where are its principles still rooted in what is prevalent in the Judeo-Christian world. We need to make up our own mind and quit blindly following the west.
Time again, people are missing the point here. No body is advocating to force anything on anyone. What is going on here is an open debate on what is reflective of the wishes and ideas compartable to that of the majority of the Gambian people. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 15:59:06
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Wow, I have been away for a weekend and all hell threatens to break lose. I will take your concerns turn by turn.
1. Saddam Hussein was a tyrant and always garnered 99.96 % of the vote everytime a referendum is carried out on him. So the fact ta 67% of Gambians voted for Jammeh does not mean he is not a tyrant. The problem with Gambian politics is the lack of a genuine oppossition to Jammeh. In the absence of genuine leadership, the people will listen to anyone who steps on the podium. This is the case in Gambia.
2. I am not against any religion. I dont have a problem with anyone practising any religion. What I have a problem with trying to hide behind the issue of secularism while our laws are inherently influenced by judeo-christian principles from the colonial days. All I am calling for is have a genuine dabate on the issue and give the Gambian people the final say on what course they want to follow. Enough with all the educating people and stuff. We have followed the same course since independence, and our situation is worst now. We even have a bigger tyrant leading us now, than before. The claim that Shariah is not going to deter people from offenses is nonsense. We all know that people will continue to commit offenses whether its shariah or not. The issue here is the frequency of those offenses. We have lived in a western style democratic system for 42 years, and offenses are growing exponentially from corruption down to immorality.
3. Why cant you speak for the general government schools? That is the issue here. I dont have a problem with the Christian and other religions to end their terms around their holidays. What I have a problem with is telling everybody we are secular and yet still force every government school to shut down around christian holidays. And who told you there are "10 days for the prophets celebrations" ? Celebrating what?? and which profhets?
4. No I dont want anymore holidays created for anyone. What I am trying to point out that we claim to secular when in actuality we are not. If democracy today is secular, where are its principles still rooted in what is prevalent in the Judeo-Christian world. We need to make up our own mind and quit blindly following the west.
Time again, people are missing the point here. No body is advocating to force anything on anyone. What is going on here is an open debate on what is reflective of the wishes and ideas compartable to that of the majority of the Gambian people. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 26 Feb 2007 : 16:07:43
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Originally posted by mansasulu
I have great respect for all the islamic scholars you mentioned. However, I am not following their Islam. May I also reind you that those scholars did not advocate for secularism or democracy. Rather I am following the Islam brought to us by Our Nabi Muhammad (SAW)and the four Khulafa ul Rasudeen, Abu Bakr, Omar, Uthman and Ali (RA). You will agree with me that they all implemented Shariah.
If Allah asks you tommorrow why you didn't strive to implement his law on the land, merely stating that the islamic scholars you mentioned did not preach it will not be enough. The prophet left us with two things when he left, the Quran and his Sunna and today we continue to read them without implementing their rulings. And we all wonder why we have a tyrant ruling us. Until we return to the path of Allah we will continue to live under tyranny, oppression and poverty.
Can you list down the countries that have Sharia today
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