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Alhassan
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 Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 10:48:11
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Originally posted by mansasulu
If we go back to the commandments of Allah he will bless us and remove hunger and famine. However if we sit idly and claim that we cant do shariah and start counting the number of people with one hand, Allah will punish all of us for condoning shirk. Yes, Shariah will not eradicate stealing and fornication but it will drastically reduce it. Look at the spread of AIDS for example and you will find that araes on the continent of Africa where illegal sexual relations are rampant have higher numbers of people infected with AIDS. Just start from the areas around the Northern part of Africa and start heading south (the further south you go the higher the prevalence of AIDS) and you will get a vivid picture of what we stand to gain if we put stringent measures on the perpetrators fonication and adultery.
If you stone the adulterers to death why will you need prisons? Common law or what have you has shown how inept it is to solving our problem, so we need to revert to the tried and tested system.
Mansasulu,
You quoted the Ten commandments. I would suggest to you that they are infringed everyday in the Gambia.Allah will not punish all of us, because we do not condon shirk. Not having Sharia does not mean condoning Shirk. I would refer you to the Qu-aran and please tells us where you red it. I am very particular to know for referens sake.
Stopp missinterpriting the Qu-aran. This is why there is too much confussion.And surely you can be punished by Allah for misleading people. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 10:48:11
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Originally posted by mansasulu
If we go back to the commandments of Allah he will bless us and remove hunger and famine. However if we sit idly and claim that we cant do shariah and start counting the number of people with one hand, Allah will punish all of us for condoning shirk. Yes, Shariah will not eradicate stealing and fornication but it will drastically reduce it. Look at the spread of AIDS for example and you will find that araes on the continent of Africa where illegal sexual relations are rampant have higher numbers of people infected with AIDS. Just start from the areas around the Northern part of Africa and start heading south (the further south you go the higher the prevalence of AIDS) and you will get a vivid picture of what we stand to gain if we put stringent measures on the perpetrators fonication and adultery.
If you stone the adulterers to death why will you need prisons? Common law or what have you has shown how inept it is to solving our problem, so we need to revert to the tried and tested system.
Mansasulu,
You quoted the Ten commandments. I would suggest to you that they are infringed everyday in the Gambia.Allah will not punish all of us, because we do not condon shirk. Not having Sharia does not mean condoning Shirk. I would refer you to the Qu-aran and please tells us where you red it. I am very particular to know for referens sake.
Stopp missinterpriting the Qu-aran. This is why there is too much confussion.And surely you can be punished by Allah for misleading people. |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 12:17:09
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alhassan, thank you for your message, as a christian as am offended by ansasulu postings.
i like gambia because it is a tolerant muslim country , but the remarks about stoning adultery is not be taken lightly as most of the time it is against women. practice these harsh laws and you will see tourism fall dead in numbers. |
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jambo
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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 12:17:09
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alhassan, thank you for your message, as a christian as am offended by ansasulu postings.
i like gambia because it is a tolerant muslim country , but the remarks about stoning adultery is not be taken lightly as most of the time it is against women. practice these harsh laws and you will see tourism fall dead in numbers. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 14:23:46
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| Alhassan, where in my postings have i quoted the ten commandments??? |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 14:23:46
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| Alhassan, where in my postings have i quoted the ten commandments??? |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 14:41:13
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| Jambo, if I offended you, I make no apologies...I am merely quoting the teachings of the Quran about implementing Shariah. Now if you are offended by the Quran, you might as well say that. They are not my words, they are Allah's. And a point of caution, no where in my postings did I attribute stoning adulterers to death to the Quran. Infact, the stoning of adulterers is in the old testament. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 14:41:13
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| Jambo, if I offended you, I make no apologies...I am merely quoting the teachings of the Quran about implementing Shariah. Now if you are offended by the Quran, you might as well say that. They are not my words, they are Allah's. And a point of caution, no where in my postings did I attribute stoning adulterers to death to the Quran. Infact, the stoning of adulterers is in the old testament. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 15:29:27
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Alhassan, where in my postings have i quoted the ten commandments???
Mansasulu,
I am sorry for misquoting you. You mentioned thwe Tencommandments and as I have observed , they are infringed everyday in the Gambia and yet we belive in the teachings of Islam. If we belive in what we read in the qu-ran, we must interpret correctly and not just that suits one. Many a times Islamic preachers just touch parts of a verse, but they do not quote all of it.
An example is in the case of inheritance, we just say 3 for men and 1 for the woman. No one has ever explained the reason why until I grew up and found out for myself. Even we do not interprit womens rights in Islam correctly. This is the problem. Moreover it is not only men that have contributed in the different Jihads and the spreading of Islam. Women took part too. Such things are not mentioned. These are just examples I can come up with. Surely there are otherones that others on the forum can come up with.
I practice Islam too remember. I am always asking and looking for doubtful statements in Islam.
Mansasulu, what do you think about my statements. |
Edited by - Alhassan on 22 Feb 2007 15:30:16 |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 15:29:27
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Alhassan, where in my postings have i quoted the ten commandments???
Mansasulu,
I am sorry for misquoting you. You mentioned thwe Tencommandments and as I have observed , they are infringed everyday in the Gambia and yet we belive in the teachings of Islam. If we belive in what we read in the qu-ran, we must interpret correctly and not just that suits one. Many a times Islamic preachers just touch parts of a verse, but they do not quote all of it.
An example is in the case of inheritance, we just say 3 for men and 1 for the woman. No one has ever explained the reason why until I grew up and found out for myself. Even we do not interprit womens rights in Islam correctly. This is the problem. Moreover it is not only men that have contributed in the different Jihads and the spreading of Islam. Women took part too. Such things are not mentioned. These are just examples I can come up with. Surely there are otherones that others on the forum can come up with.
I practice Islam too remember. I am always asking and looking for doubtful statements in Islam.
Mansasulu, what do you think about my statements. |
Edited by - Alhassan on 22 Feb 2007 15:30:16 |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 16:40:17
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Your statements are going round in circles. You claim to practice Islam and yet still have qualms about implementing Shariah. That sounds contradictory to me. You need to make up your mind. Islam is not a religion of convenience. It is not like a 9-5 job, but instead a 24/7 committment. Just praying five times a day, paying zakat, fasting etc alone is not enough if you have the power to fully implement Shariah. May I also point out that, I believe that when we put the issue of Shariah to a referendum in Gambia it will pass overwhelmingly.
And a point of correction, In sura Nisa Verse 11, Allah lays down the law to inheritance. He didn't say 1 "3 for men and 1 for the woman" as you are claiming.
Quran (4:11)"Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half... These are settled portions ordained by Allah. and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise."
Secondly, the laws of Allah are infringed everyday because there is no deterrence that will put people in check. You can do all the teachings you want and if no one puts the hammer down, people will continue to violate the laws of Allah. This is why we need not only adopt Shariah but implement it as well. I am not saying it is going to be easy, but we are not making any effort as a nation. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 16:40:17
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Your statements are going round in circles. You claim to practice Islam and yet still have qualms about implementing Shariah. That sounds contradictory to me. You need to make up your mind. Islam is not a religion of convenience. It is not like a 9-5 job, but instead a 24/7 committment. Just praying five times a day, paying zakat, fasting etc alone is not enough if you have the power to fully implement Shariah. May I also point out that, I believe that when we put the issue of Shariah to a referendum in Gambia it will pass overwhelmingly.
And a point of correction, In sura Nisa Verse 11, Allah lays down the law to inheritance. He didn't say 1 "3 for men and 1 for the woman" as you are claiming.
Quran (4:11)"Allah (thus) directs you as regards your Children's (Inheritance): to the male, a portion equal to that of two females: if only daughters, two or more, their share is two-thirds of the inheritance; if only one, her share is a half... These are settled portions ordained by Allah. and Allah is All-knowing, All-wise."
Secondly, the laws of Allah are infringed everyday because there is no deterrence that will put people in check. You can do all the teachings you want and if no one puts the hammer down, people will continue to violate the laws of Allah. This is why we need not only adopt Shariah but implement it as well. I am not saying it is going to be easy, but we are not making any effort as a nation. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 23:27:09
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However, in Gambia, the state is imposing on the people to rest on saturday and sunday. Now if we look at the origin of these so called holy days we know that the jews and christians rest on them and yet our constitution claims to the secularity of our nation. How about nobody get a day of rest and we all earn our living. In other words, when it comes to accomodate muslims, all of a sudden we hide behind the hypocricy of secularism
so called religious days, why are they so called
if you have friday as a day of rest wo wil run the hotels, taxis, supermarkets, they are free to close, as i know most governemtn places close at 12 noon, for friday prays have you been to banjul and the central mosque, every body goes home in time for prayers.
do not insult my holiday which is sunday, you can work onthat day if you. |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 23:27:09
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However, in Gambia, the state is imposing on the people to rest on saturday and sunday. Now if we look at the origin of these so called holy days we know that the jews and christians rest on them and yet our constitution claims to the secularity of our nation. How about nobody get a day of rest and we all earn our living. In other words, when it comes to accomodate muslims, all of a sudden we hide behind the hypocricy of secularism
so called religious days, why are they so called
if you have friday as a day of rest wo wil run the hotels, taxis, supermarkets, they are free to close, as i know most governemtn places close at 12 noon, for friday prays have you been to banjul and the central mosque, every body goes home in time for prayers.
do not insult my holiday which is sunday, you can work onthat day if you. |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 22 Feb 2007 : 23:37:40
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MANSASULU
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Originally posted by mansasulu
If you stone the adulterers to death why will you need prisons? Common law or what have you has shown how inept it is to solving our problem, so we need to revert to the tried and tested system.
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I think you have dangerous ideas. I am out of this discussion. Like Jesus said; " He that has not sinneth, cast the first stone"
so mansasulu i ask you this, do you want sharia law in Gambia, becuase i know plenty of people who have committed adultery, but i would not throw the stone, would you
the weekend of is a colonial legacy because when gambia was established if followed a european work week, monday to friday, but now it accomodates half day friday. what days would you like the ministers to work. if you do not like the system what would put in place, when and how. other islamic countries have accommodated european times into the way of life out of neccessity, banks are not open on a friday to the public but they are open for trading because of the international clock
i say again if you put in place in gambia sharia law Gambians would not practice it. it is a north african thing and practiced inthe middle east and they do stone women for adultery put not men, why is that.
LEAVE GAMBIA ALONE. i cannot see this change working
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