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kondorong
Gambia
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 Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 18:13:51
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Democracy in its prresent form is new to africa but decsion making in the courts is not confined to the king or village heads. Have you heard of a BULUNG DA in mandinka.
Those against sharia in the gambia are in the majority and a Republican state, Gambians chose secular life and i am one of them. You cannot have two sytems in one country. It smells disaster. Ask the Nigerians in Sokoto or Kano.
It reminds me a student at Armitage who was a muslim but because he hated dawn prayers he changed his name to John so that he would be excused from praying. He had to call his parents but they could not convince him.
You will be suprised that the biggest patrons of night clubs and bars in the gambia are muslims. Like the Americans say: IF IT AINT BROKEN DON'T FIX IT. |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 18:35:45
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Shariah in where, Gambia? forget it. Tell me one nation where Shariah works.. Please don't mention the Middle East. We don't need people imposing their religious beliefs on others. The reason Democracy is preferable is that you are free to practice what you are and unless you break the law you don't need to worry...
We can use Democracy to suit our own life style and it can work. In fact as Kon said both democracy and Shariah are foreign to us. So what is the feud about changing to Shariah? |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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dbaldeh
USA
934 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 18:35:45
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Shariah in where, Gambia? forget it. Tell me one nation where Shariah works.. Please don't mention the Middle East. We don't need people imposing their religious beliefs on others. The reason Democracy is preferable is that you are free to practice what you are and unless you break the law you don't need to worry...
We can use Democracy to suit our own life style and it can work. In fact as Kon said both democracy and Shariah are foreign to us. So what is the feud about changing to Shariah? |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 19:43:33
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Originally posted by dbaldeh
Shariah in where, Gambia? forget it. Tell me one nation where Shariah works.. Please don't mention the Middle East. We don't need people imposing their religious beliefs on others. The reason Democracy is preferable is that you are free to practice what you are and unless you break the law you don't need to worry...
And rightly so when God said in Suratul Kafirun: LAKUM DINI KUM WALIYA DEEN. ( Have your religion and i have my religion). There is no compulsion in Islam. This story was when the people of Mecca proposed to worship the One God for some time and the Prophet also to woship their idols for sometime.
This freedom to worship what you want to worship is stated clearly when God said that HE created the great expanse of the earth so that if you cannot worship freely in one area, move on to where you can worship. You will be suprised that you will need a visa to travel to countries where it is practiced and MUST leave as your visa expires irrespective of whether you are a muslim or not.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 19:43:33
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Originally posted by dbaldeh
Shariah in where, Gambia? forget it. Tell me one nation where Shariah works.. Please don't mention the Middle East. We don't need people imposing their religious beliefs on others. The reason Democracy is preferable is that you are free to practice what you are and unless you break the law you don't need to worry...
And rightly so when God said in Suratul Kafirun: LAKUM DINI KUM WALIYA DEEN. ( Have your religion and i have my religion). There is no compulsion in Islam. This story was when the people of Mecca proposed to worship the One God for some time and the Prophet also to woship their idols for sometime.
This freedom to worship what you want to worship is stated clearly when God said that HE created the great expanse of the earth so that if you cannot worship freely in one area, move on to where you can worship. You will be suprised that you will need a visa to travel to countries where it is practiced and MUST leave as your visa expires irrespective of whether you are a muslim or not.
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Jack
Belgium
384 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 21:44:45
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Democracy is a proces, an evolution. How old is western democracy in the form we know it nowadays ? Not even 100 years. So is democracy a typical western european system ?
Even these days democratic systems (local and national governments) are under pressure and are changing.
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Jack
Belgium
384 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 21:44:45
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Democracy is a proces, an evolution. How old is western democracy in the form we know it nowadays ? Not even 100 years. So is democracy a typical western european system ?
Even these days democratic systems (local and national governments) are under pressure and are changing.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 22:20:45
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Originally posted by Jack
Democracy is a proces, an evolution. How old is western democracy in the form we know it nowadays ? Not even 100 years. So is democracy a typical western european system ?
Even these days democratic systems (local and national governments) are under pressure and are changing.
You are right. It was not until march 15 1965, that the US President signed into law for Voters Rights Act allowing African Americans right to vote nearly after 190 years since the Declaration of Independence in 1776. Women only started to vote in 1920 nearly 145 years after Independence.
Even in France, the bastion of Liberte, Egalite et Fraternite, The Bread Revolution had to be engaged by Women due to price increases but it was just a front for them to get organised for more rights in 1791. What they got was incorporated in a document called : Declaration of the Rights of Woman and the Female Citizen |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 22:20:45
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Originally posted by Jack
Democracy is a proces, an evolution. How old is western democracy in the form we know it nowadays ? Not even 100 years. So is democracy a typical western european system ?
Even these days democratic systems (local and national governments) are under pressure and are changing.
You are right. It was not until march 15 1965, that the US President signed into law for Voters Rights Act allowing African Americans right to vote nearly after 190 years since the Declaration of Independence in 1776. Women only started to vote in 1920 nearly 145 years after Independence.
Even in France, the bastion of Liberte, Egalite et Fraternite, The Bread Revolution had to be engaged by Women due to price increases but it was just a front for them to get organised for more rights in 1791. What they got was incorporated in a document called : Declaration of the Rights of Woman and the Female Citizen |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 22:24:09
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Multiple points of correction...
1. We can never know if the Gambian people will chose Shariah until we put it to a vote.
2. Implementing Shariah does not mean we are imposing any religious belief on anyone-In fact the State is forcing the majority of the Gambian people to work on their religious holiday (friday) which does not hold true for the minority. If that is not an imposition of a belief on the majority, then I dont know what is.
3. LAKUM DINI KUM WALIYA DEEN does not fit this context. All I am asking for is to put the matter before the Gambian people and let them have the ultimate and final say.
4. Gambians did not chose democracy, just like we did not chose military rule. The British ruled us for centuries and imposed their system on us, It was never a case of us having a choice.
5.Shariah is not foreign to our cultural ethos because we will merely be following the commandments of Allah SWT if we implement it. We were all born on fitrah (the Sunnah (way) of all of the Prophets which is in agreement with (all of) the revealed Laws).
6. Clearly the system in Gambia is broken...no rule of law, people are suddenly disappearing, justice is being flounted, corruption is rampant and on top of it all we are lead by a tyrant.
7. Having a minority does not mean we must be secular. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 21 Feb 2007 00:21:57 |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 22:24:09
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Multiple points of correction...
1. We can never know if the Gambian people will chose Shariah until we put it to a vote.
2. Implementing Shariah does not mean we are imposing any religious belief on anyone-In fact the State is forcing the majority of the Gambian people to work on their religious holiday (friday) which does not hold true for the minority. If that is not an imposition of a belief on the majority, then I dont know what is.
3. LAKUM DINI KUM WALIYA DEEN does not fit this context. All I am asking for is to put the matter before the Gambian people and let them have the ultimate and final say.
4. Gambians did not chose democracy, just like we did not chose military rule. The British ruled us for centuries and imposed their system on us, It was never a case of us having a choice.
5.Shariah is not foreign to our cultural ethos because we will merely be following the commandments of Allah SWT if we implement it. We were all born on fitrah (the Sunnah (way) of all of the Prophets which is in agreement with (all of) the revealed Laws).
6. Clearly the system in Gambia is broken...no rule of law, people are suddenly disappearing, justice is being flounted, corruption is rampant and on top of it all we are lead by a tyrant.
7. Having a minority does not mean we must be secular. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 21 Feb 2007 00:21:57 |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 23:20:51
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Multiple points of corruption...
1. We can never know if the Gambian people will chose Shariah until we put it to a vote.
2. Implementing Shariah does not mean we are imposing any religious belief on anyone-In fact the State is forcing the majority of the Gambian people to work on their religious holiday (friday) which does not hold true for the minority. If that is not an imposition of a belief on the majority, then I dont know what is.
3. LAKUM DINI KUM WALIYA DEEN does not fit this context. All I am asking for is to put the matter before the Gambian people and let them have the ultimate and final say.
4. Gambians did not chose democracy, just like we did not chose military rule. The British ruled us for centuries and imposed their system on us, It was never a case of us having a choice.
5.Shariah is not foreign to our cultural ethos because we will merely be following the commandments of Allah SWT if we implement it. We were all born on fitrah (the Sunnah (way) of all of the Prophets which is in agreement with (all of) the revealed Laws).
6. Clearly the system in Gambia is broken...no rule of law, people are suddenly disappearing, justice is being flounted, corruption is rampant and on top of it all we are lead by a tyrant.
7. Having a minority does not mean we must be secular.
I am not convinced. Gambians had a choice for Indepedence and they rejected it in 1966 Referendum. Thats why we became a Republic in 1970.
Inaddition, Islam has not decreed anyday to be a day of rest like the Sabbath. Everyday is a working Day in Islam. So your reference to Friday has no basis in Islamic Jurisprudence. We dont need to confuse people. Infact... JUMAH FASANU ILA SIKRILAH... ( Disperse oh you people after your Friday prayers and seek the bounties that I have given you.
Declaring Friday as a holiday is more of a Political issue than a religious one. The Prophet never declared it a hoilday although its the Holiest day in Islam. Yet he worked to earn his living. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 23:20:51
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Multiple points of corruption...
1. We can never know if the Gambian people will chose Shariah until we put it to a vote.
2. Implementing Shariah does not mean we are imposing any religious belief on anyone-In fact the State is forcing the majority of the Gambian people to work on their religious holiday (friday) which does not hold true for the minority. If that is not an imposition of a belief on the majority, then I dont know what is.
3. LAKUM DINI KUM WALIYA DEEN does not fit this context. All I am asking for is to put the matter before the Gambian people and let them have the ultimate and final say.
4. Gambians did not chose democracy, just like we did not chose military rule. The British ruled us for centuries and imposed their system on us, It was never a case of us having a choice.
5.Shariah is not foreign to our cultural ethos because we will merely be following the commandments of Allah SWT if we implement it. We were all born on fitrah (the Sunnah (way) of all of the Prophets which is in agreement with (all of) the revealed Laws).
6. Clearly the system in Gambia is broken...no rule of law, people are suddenly disappearing, justice is being flounted, corruption is rampant and on top of it all we are lead by a tyrant.
7. Having a minority does not mean we must be secular.
I am not convinced. Gambians had a choice for Indepedence and they rejected it in 1966 Referendum. Thats why we became a Republic in 1970.
Inaddition, Islam has not decreed anyday to be a day of rest like the Sabbath. Everyday is a working Day in Islam. So your reference to Friday has no basis in Islamic Jurisprudence. We dont need to confuse people. Infact... JUMAH FASANU ILA SIKRILAH... ( Disperse oh you people after your Friday prayers and seek the bounties that I have given you.
Declaring Friday as a holiday is more of a Political issue than a religious one. The Prophet never declared it a hoilday although its the Holiest day in Islam. Yet he worked to earn his living. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 23:29:47
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 23:29:47
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| Konds, how abt Sunday? Why is a rest day? Political or Religious? |
madiss |
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