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mansasulu

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Posted - 19 Feb 2007 : 22:29:12
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We have tried...or shall I state "claimed" to have tried this so called effective system for the best part of 42 years and no results. In the illustriuos words of Einstein ...only a fool tries the same thing in the same way over and over again and expect a different result each time.
Democracy has not worked for us mainly because it is foreign to the cultural, and most importantly our spriritual ethos. It is abou time we revert to the system that truely reflects our spiritual and moral fabric.
It is about time we give Shariah a chance. We have desobeyed the commandments of Allah SWT for so long. I believe it is time for us to revert to the right way.
I believe the word of Rabiah bin Amr to Rustom, the Persia General at the on set of the Battle of Qadisiyah says it all. "Islam seeks to deliver the human being from the worshipping of the creation to the worship of the creator of the creation...from the constrict of this world to the vastness of this world and the afterlife...and from the tyranny and oppression of all other religions and systems to the Justice of ISLAM.
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
Edited by - mansasulu on 19 Feb 2007 22:30:26 |
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Santanfara

3460 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2007 : 22:54:54
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mansasulu , hmm , i will only say democracy can be islamise . there is a democratic system in islam non as suracracy or consultation .so it doesn't necessarily make a big difference if people go to the polls and choose a leader that carrys the majority votes . the only problem in the gambia is we are confuse and trapp between what is western and what is our culture . so long as we are using borrowed ideology without properly adapting it to our world view ,we will always be bad imitators. democracy definately has a place in the gambia all we need is grassroot education and sincerity in the part of the elite. there will be a programm tomorrow in u.k bbc 1 about the two face of politicians .the british prime minister was caught on tape saying that a certain minister don't understand the difference of socail class .he said the higher class cannot be compared with the lower class . so in democracy you have every thing . but can some jorunalist come out in grts revealing the blunders of yaya ..hell no . so we need some kind of democracy where by our politicains will be selected on merits and good character .also we need to give people the oppourtunity to choose whether they want to dealth with the sharia way or secular court system .like in nigeria some states implement this process .but saddly we muslim gambian are 98% secularist . we believe more in our professional ethics than religious moral ethics .so any one of us can be deceptive because so long as one can get away with corruption ,well he/she does it . go to most bars in the gambia ,you will find secretaries of state, directors, accountants, journalist etc drinking alcahol and chatting up .this is the kind of muslims we have in our leadership position . the first thing that is important before any islamic empowerment is we need to get the knowledge of Allah in the correct format and start to practice real islam ,then may be we can start talking about sharia. also the anti-islamic powerful government will not standby and watch ,they will interfare . this is not an easy system to adopt .may Allah give us hedaya .amen |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22 "And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Santanfara

3460 Posts |
Posted - 19 Feb 2007 : 22:54:54
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mansasulu , hmm , i will only say democracy can be islamise . there is a democratic system in islam non as suracracy or consultation .so it doesn't necessarily make a big difference if people go to the polls and choose a leader that carrys the majority votes . the only problem in the gambia is we are confuse and trapp between what is western and what is our culture . so long as we are using borrowed ideology without properly adapting it to our world view ,we will always be bad imitators. democracy definately has a place in the gambia all we need is grassroot education and sincerity in the part of the elite. there will be a programm tomorrow in u.k bbc 1 about the two face of politicians .the british prime minister was caught on tape saying that a certain minister don't understand the difference of socail class .he said the higher class cannot be compared with the lower class . so in democracy you have every thing . but can some jorunalist come out in grts revealing the blunders of yaya ..hell no . so we need some kind of democracy where by our politicains will be selected on merits and good character .also we need to give people the oppourtunity to choose whether they want to dealth with the sharia way or secular court system .like in nigeria some states implement this process .but saddly we muslim gambian are 98% secularist . we believe more in our professional ethics than religious moral ethics .so any one of us can be deceptive because so long as one can get away with corruption ,well he/she does it . go to most bars in the gambia ,you will find secretaries of state, directors, accountants, journalist etc drinking alcahol and chatting up .this is the kind of muslims we have in our leadership position . the first thing that is important before any islamic empowerment is we need to get the knowledge of Allah in the correct format and start to practice real islam ,then may be we can start talking about sharia. also the anti-islamic powerful government will not standby and watch ,they will interfare . this is not an easy system to adopt .may Allah give us hedaya .amen |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22 "And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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mansasulu

997 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 16:03:25
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Santanfara, we have heard of grass root education so much that it has no meaning. We put everything to a popular vote and we know what the results are every time(elect a tyrant)...again back to the quote attributed to Einstein. We have not been free now for almost 400 hundred years. Providing grass root eduaction was what PDOIS stood for since its emergence on the political scene in the mid 1980s and they are the least popular party in the Gambia today. Almost three decades later, the results are almost the same. It seems that only Sedia Jatta's disrict are heeding the call. Serekeunda Central of all places has set the clock back to over three decades by chosing to elect someone who does not speak the parlance of grassroot education, equality, and justice for all.
So long as we chose to "stay the course" we will continue to live in poverty, humiliation and oppression. What is more just that applying the laws of Allah on his land. This should not even be brought to a vote...the votes have already been cast. How can we call our selves a democratic society when our constituion forbid the formation of a party on religious principles.
The detractors of Shariah have done everything under the sun to suppress it...I say lets offer it to the people and see what the majority says...I believe that is what democracy is all about...giving people options.
And how can we empower islam when we placed tyrants over our affairs and promise to vote them out the next election. Even in our educational curriculum, we put the teachings of Islam on the back burner and elevate the nonsense of Marx, Aristotle, and Mao. I am sure we are all following what is happening in Guinea right now. One thing is for certain, when people are fed up they seek for justice in ugly ways.
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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mansasulu

997 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 16:03:25
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Santanfara, we have heard of grass root education so much that it has no meaning. We put everything to a popular vote and we know what the results are every time(elect a tyrant)...again back to the quote attributed to Einstein. We have not been free now for almost 400 hundred years. Providing grass root eduaction was what PDOIS stood for since its emergence on the political scene in the mid 1980s and they are the least popular party in the Gambia today. Almost three decades later, the results are almost the same. It seems that only Sedia Jatta's disrict are heeding the call. Serekeunda Central of all places has set the clock back to over three decades by chosing to elect someone who does not speak the parlance of grassroot education, equality, and justice for all.
So long as we chose to "stay the course" we will continue to live in poverty, humiliation and oppression. What is more just that applying the laws of Allah on his land. This should not even be brought to a vote...the votes have already been cast. How can we call our selves a democratic society when our constituion forbid the formation of a party on religious principles.
The detractors of Shariah have done everything under the sun to suppress it...I say lets offer it to the people and see what the majority says...I believe that is what democracy is all about...giving people options.
And how can we empower islam when we placed tyrants over our affairs and promise to vote them out the next election. Even in our educational curriculum, we put the teachings of Islam on the back burner and elevate the nonsense of Marx, Aristotle, and Mao. I am sure we are all following what is happening in Guinea right now. One thing is for certain, when people are fed up they seek for justice in ugly ways.
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"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 16:34:42
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Bro, We dont need Shariah. What we need is people who belive in Allah and are honest to themselves and the country. Gambia is not inhabited by only muslims. Do you expect the non muslims to obey Sharia law? No no no . Democracy is in Islam. It is up to the leaders to bring it forward. That is what we need. No Mullahs shall rule Gambia, nevermind 90% of Gambia are muslims. I am sorry , I too am a muslim but belives in democracy. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 16:34:42
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Bro, We dont need Shariah. What we need is people who belive in Allah and are honest to themselves and the country. Gambia is not inhabited by only muslims. Do you expect the non muslims to obey Sharia law? No no no . Democracy is in Islam. It is up to the leaders to bring it forward. That is what we need. No Mullahs shall rule Gambia, nevermind 90% of Gambia are muslims. I am sorry , I too am a muslim but belives in democracy. |
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mansasulu

997 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 16:41:30
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What is wrong with Shariah?? |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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mansasulu

997 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 16:41:30
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What is wrong with Shariah?? |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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MADIBA

United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 17:11:33
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Bro Mansasulu, certainly nothing is wrong wit Shariah. Koto Alhassan has a valid point here. The Gambia has both Muslims and Christians and some animists, so Shariah maybe difficult to apply. In NIgeria , the only place in Africa where it is practised( I stand to be corrected), applies to states where its predominantly muslim. Even there, there were ugly scenes attimes.
In the interest of peaceful co-habitation, i think Gambia should remain a secular state.LAKUM DEENIKUM WALYA DEEN However, Muslims be them Gambians or otherwise should be free to practise their faith without hindrance. Islam is a peaceful religion, unfortunately its image is tarnished and wrongly associated with terrorism and the like. |
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Edited by - MADIBA on 20 Feb 2007 17:20:56 |
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MADIBA

United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 17:11:33
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Bro Mansasulu, certainly nothing is wrong wit Shariah. Koto Alhassan has a valid point here. The Gambia has both Muslims and Christians and some animists, so Shariah maybe difficult to apply. In NIgeria , the only place in Africa where it is practised( I stand to be corrected), applies to states where its predominantly muslim. Even there, there were ugly scenes attimes.
In the interest of peaceful co-habitation, i think Gambia should remain a secular state.LAKUM DEENIKUM WALYA DEEN However, Muslims be them Gambians or otherwise should be free to practise their faith without hindrance. Islam is a peaceful religion, unfortunately its image is tarnished and wrongly associated with terrorism and the like. |
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Edited by - MADIBA on 20 Feb 2007 17:20:56 |
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kondorong

Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 17:55:37
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quote: Originally posted by mansasulu
We have tried...or shall I state "claimed" to have tried this so called effective system for the best part of 42 years and no results. In the illustriuos words of Einstein ...only a fool tries the same thing in the same way over and over again and expect a different result each time.
Democracy has not worked for us mainly because it is foreign to the cultural, and most importantly our spriritual ethos. It is abou time we revert to the system that truely reflects our spiritual and moral fabric.
It is about time we give Shariah a chance.
Point of correction. Both Islam and Shariah are foreign to the African continent although you are trying to make us believe its indegineous.
Secondly, Gambians chose a secular way of life. This must be subjected to a referendum, and i will bet my long beard that less than 2% of Gambians would want to change the system of Governance.
Just because our leaders are incapable or unwilling to tolerate democracy does not make it bad. May be we need to look at our attitude towards it. I am for democracy.
A BAD WORKMAN BLAMES HIS TOOLS. |
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kondorong

Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 17:55:37
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quote: Originally posted by mansasulu
We have tried...or shall I state "claimed" to have tried this so called effective system for the best part of 42 years and no results. In the illustriuos words of Einstein ...only a fool tries the same thing in the same way over and over again and expect a different result each time.
Democracy has not worked for us mainly because it is foreign to the cultural, and most importantly our spriritual ethos. It is abou time we revert to the system that truely reflects our spiritual and moral fabric.
It is about time we give Shariah a chance.
Point of correction. Both Islam and Shariah are foreign to the African continent although you are trying to make us believe its indegineous.
Secondly, Gambians chose a secular way of life. This must be subjected to a referendum, and i will bet my long beard that less than 2% of Gambians would want to change the system of Governance.
Just because our leaders are incapable or unwilling to tolerate democracy does not make it bad. May be we need to look at our attitude towards it. I am for democracy.
A BAD WORKMAN BLAMES HIS TOOLS. |
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Santanfara

3460 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 18:02:12
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quote: Originally posted by kondorong
quote: Originally posted by mansasulu
We have tried...or shall I state "claimed" to have tried this so called effective system for the best part of 42 years and no results. In the illustriuos words of Einstein ...only a fool tries the same thing in the same way over and over again and expect a different result each time.
Democracy has not worked for us mainly because it is foreign to the cultural, and most importantly our spriritual ethos. It is abou time we revert to the system that truely reflects our spiritual and moral fabric.
It is about time we give Shariah a chance.
Point of correction. Both Islam and Shariah are foreign to the African continent although you are trying to make us believe its indegineous.
Secondly, Gambians chose a secular way of life. This must be subjected to a referendum, and i will bet my long beard that less than 2% of Gambians would want to change the system of Governance.
Just because our leaders are incapable or unwilling to tolerate democracy does not make it bad. May be we need to look at our attitude towards it. I am for democracy.
A BAD WORKMAN BLAMES HIS TOOLS.
i am sure you do know that democracy is also foriegn to us . we can adopt whatever we want .they can both work side by side. those who choose to hire lawyers can do so and those who choose to be dealth with in the sharia courts can have their choice .it is simple .why should the minorite make the majority say sharia is impracticable . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22 "And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara

3460 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 18:02:12
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quote: Originally posted by kondorong
quote: Originally posted by mansasulu
We have tried...or shall I state "claimed" to have tried this so called effective system for the best part of 42 years and no results. In the illustriuos words of Einstein ...only a fool tries the same thing in the same way over and over again and expect a different result each time.
Democracy has not worked for us mainly because it is foreign to the cultural, and most importantly our spriritual ethos. It is abou time we revert to the system that truely reflects our spiritual and moral fabric.
It is about time we give Shariah a chance.
Point of correction. Both Islam and Shariah are foreign to the African continent although you are trying to make us believe its indegineous.
Secondly, Gambians chose a secular way of life. This must be subjected to a referendum, and i will bet my long beard that less than 2% of Gambians would want to change the system of Governance.
Just because our leaders are incapable or unwilling to tolerate democracy does not make it bad. May be we need to look at our attitude towards it. I am for democracy.
A BAD WORKMAN BLAMES HIS TOOLS.
i am sure you do know that democracy is also foriegn to us . we can adopt whatever we want .they can both work side by side. those who choose to hire lawyers can do so and those who choose to be dealth with in the sharia courts can have their choice .it is simple .why should the minorite make the majority say sharia is impracticable . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22 "And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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kondorong

Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 20 Feb 2007 : 18:13:51
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Democracy in its prresent form is new to africa but decsion making in the courts is not confined to the king or village heads. Have you heard of a BULUNG DA in mandinka.
Those against sharia in the gambia are in the majority and a Republican state, Gambians chose secular life and i am one of them. You cannot have two sytems in one country. It smells disaster. Ask the Nigerians in Sokoto or Kano.
It reminds me a student at Armitage who was a muslim but because he hated dawn prayers he changed his name to John so that he would be excused from praying. He had to call his parents but they could not convince him.
You will be suprised that the biggest patrons of night clubs and bars in the gambia are muslims. Like the Americans say: IF IT AINT BROKEN DON'T FIX IT. |
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