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jambo
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 Posted - 19 Dec 2006 : 13:37:42
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hello, kobo, i have missed you nice that you are back with plenty of issues to debate |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 Dec 2006 : 14:02:53
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Originally posted by jambo
hello, kobo, i have missed you nice that you are back with plenty of issues to debate
Thanks as I always read and not missing the trend of issues and interactions.
Bantaba is always vibrant and more mature members are always joining. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 19 Dec 2006 : 14:31:22
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Originally posted by Karamba
Kobo,
Nationality above personality. State above president etc. Behind the noisy confusion lies the motive to rob us when our attention is diverted. Now onwards, we must make it our national resolve to advance this move. When each member of wider society gets to recognise what the nation means to all, the deceptive club of whatever form and name will run out of air. If you start it today by December 2007, you alone could win over board a strong 365 enlightened Gambians ready to liberate others in the days, weeks, months, and years to come. We tend to feel like it is about calling crowds in the name of an organisation. The establishment is prepared to crush organisations they see by number counts. But when the idea of liberation filters down into society, there is no tool to measure how this impacts over a period in time. Get one person onboard today and by December 2007, you have 365 sound minds thinking like you. How great that is !!! "One, one coco, full a basket."-B Marley
Karamba thanks. There are other opinions and appraoches that could be derived from these links under
http://allafrica.com/stories/200612181675.html
http://allafrica.com/stories/200612181340.html |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 19 Dec 2006 : 14:59:52
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Kondorong posted as quoted below:
"Your quote is very thought provoking
Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job.
-- Douglas Adams, "The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy"
Does this mean that only those not capable of not getting themselves as leaders should be selected? This wisdom in that as humble but competent people would shy away from the role. Does it mean then that incompetent people usually take to politics?
Please explain more. I noticed this is a quote but you must have believed in it to use it.
Lily posted as detailed below and quotes to react to Kondorong's thoght provoking (from above):
United Kingdom
13 Posts
Posted - 18 Dec 2006 : 23:21:22
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"Like Adams, you pose a very interesting conundrum and, I suppose there are many ways of responding to it!
I think, perhaps, that it is not to do with incompetent people - because they have to be capable to begin with. Perhaps it's to do with the way you have to behave/games you have to play/tricks you have to perform/people you have to 'con' - and so on - in order to become elected that then negates your "worthiness" for the job?
And I'm sorry for joining in - I can see that you meant this for someone else - but it's just too tempting, so i hope you'll forgive me. "
More relevant materials from Gamobian politics topic: akvadrako under integrated link http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2608
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Cornelius
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 21:54:48
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Corn..how old are you? If you got a degree from an english university in 1969 you must be nearing retirement?! I was born in 1960! Did you actually study in Durham or was it by post?
Gambia’s own Gambiebev,
NB: Intellectuals and Academics don't retire ( it seems that some Bantaba people would like Alhaji Jammeh to retire - so soon after his overwhelming victory at the polls. It's wholly unrealistic when a man is at his prime.
That short wikepedia biography of Karl Kilbom sort of stops at around 1938 - but he was a Parliamentarian and newspaper man - e.g. started FOLKET I BILD after that. During the war he did many things, and after politics he did many, many other things, apart from dírectorships. You talk about retirement. Retirement from what????
So you were born in 1960, whilst I was In England during the Coronation of Queen Elisabeth II. Do you know how old Prince Charles is? I hope that he is not about to retire…… How old is your husband –to-be? Do I look younger than he?
My son and daughters also have University degrees, and with ease......
Right now I am reading Chapter 2: “ Radical Evil” Revived: Hitler, Kant, Luther; Neo-Lacanians” by Henry Staten , after which I will go on to Chapter 10 “ Hannah Arendt on the Bourgeois Origins of Totalitarian Evil” by Robert Pippin.
Both Chapters from “Modernity and the Problem of Evil” edited by Alan D. Schrift
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-51%2CGGLJ%3Aen&q=%22Modernity+and+the+Problem+of+Evil%22&btnG=Search&meta=
Whatever I say about me is true. There is also much that I have not said. And that is infinitely less boring. I am waiting for something to happen – like a response from the other end, so that when I kick IT, IT will remain kicked.
Always the same raw and uncalled-for inquisitiveness. If you go to the Sierra Leone registry of births you will find my birth certificate and details. If you write to the
University of Durham
Academic Office
Examinations and Students record Section
Old Shire Hall
Old Elvet
Durham DH1 3HP
ENGLAND
you may also find all the details that you seek, of my academic record. What business it is of yours to enquire so deep, I don’t know and I don’t care to know. But I do have all the relevant documents. No, I have never studied anything by correspondence - apart from a short course from Paramahansa Yogananda’s Self-Realisation Society - and I am far from retirement age. Are you? and which university degree do you have? I would not like to know when you were born, your mind is old enough, younger than your octogenarian who has similar questions.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p=Paramahansa%20Yogananda%e2%80%99s%20Self-Realisation%20Society
A man is not armed by degrees.
A gentleman like me does not ask an old lady like you her age, since I am neither interested in you, your opinion , who you teach , what you teach , where you teach, what you are learning or what else you may have to say about anything - and I don't have the time to answer any more quizzical questions for the very simple reason that familiarity does breed contempt.
This might be your matrimonial and political playground, and so please keep your attention transfixed and focused where it should be. I do not aspire to providing any kind of entertainment for old English ladies. And to contribute to the promotion of that vice whereby the old are seduced by the young ( with or without payment) – indeed as the president of the Gambia once said, Gambians “ are not sex machines” and I do abhor those who set up to provide old European women for servicing by young African men – even as a part of the sex tourism, or a sex racket ( introducing young African man to some old rabbit European women – for cash and men to young African women, that the recruitment agent has also provided - for cash ) whilst pretending to be interested in politics , sociology, culture, and everything else that is secondary to their basic needs.
So, in tha extended future that lies open before you, please ask someone else pertinent questions that could be useful for their self development or that would massage the development of their self-esteem – and don’t forget your bedtime prayers…… |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 21:54:48
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Corn..how old are you? If you got a degree from an english university in 1969 you must be nearing retirement?! I was born in 1960! Did you actually study in Durham or was it by post?
Gambia’s own Gambiebev,
NB: Intellectuals and Academics don't retire ( it seems that some Bantaba people would like Alhaji Jammeh to retire - so soon after his overwhelming victory at the polls. It's wholly unrealistic when a man is at his prime.
That short wikepedia biography of Karl Kilbom sort of stops at around 1938 - but he was a Parliamentarian and newspaper man - e.g. started FOLKET I BILD after that. During the war he did many things, and after politics he did many, many other things, apart from dírectorships. You talk about retirement. Retirement from what????
So you were born in 1960, whilst I was In England during the Coronation of Queen Elisabeth II. Do you know how old Prince Charles is? I hope that he is not about to retire…… How old is your husband –to-be? Do I look younger than he?
My son and daughters also have University degrees, and with ease......
Right now I am reading Chapter 2: “ Radical Evil” Revived: Hitler, Kant, Luther; Neo-Lacanians” by Henry Staten , after which I will go on to Chapter 10 “ Hannah Arendt on the Bourgeois Origins of Totalitarian Evil” by Robert Pippin.
Both Chapters from “Modernity and the Problem of Evil” edited by Alan D. Schrift
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-51%2CGGLJ%3Aen&q=%22Modernity+and+the+Problem+of+Evil%22&btnG=Search&meta=
Whatever I say about me is true. There is also much that I have not said. And that is infinitely less boring. I am waiting for something to happen – like a response from the other end, so that when I kick IT, IT will remain kicked.
Always the same raw and uncalled-for inquisitiveness. If you go to the Sierra Leone registry of births you will find my birth certificate and details. If you write to the
University of Durham
Academic Office
Examinations and Students record Section
Old Shire Hall
Old Elvet
Durham DH1 3HP
ENGLAND
you may also find all the details that you seek, of my academic record. What business it is of yours to enquire so deep, I don’t know and I don’t care to know. But I do have all the relevant documents. No, I have never studied anything by correspondence - apart from a short course from Paramahansa Yogananda’s Self-Realisation Society - and I am far from retirement age. Are you? and which university degree do you have? I would not like to know when you were born, your mind is old enough, younger than your octogenarian who has similar questions.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?ei=utf-8&fr=slv8-&p=Paramahansa%20Yogananda%e2%80%99s%20Self-Realisation%20Society
A man is not armed by degrees.
A gentleman like me does not ask an old lady like you her age, since I am neither interested in you, your opinion , who you teach , what you teach , where you teach, what you are learning or what else you may have to say about anything - and I don't have the time to answer any more quizzical questions for the very simple reason that familiarity does breed contempt.
This might be your matrimonial and political playground, and so please keep your attention transfixed and focused where it should be. I do not aspire to providing any kind of entertainment for old English ladies. And to contribute to the promotion of that vice whereby the old are seduced by the young ( with or without payment) – indeed as the president of the Gambia once said, Gambians “ are not sex machines” and I do abhor those who set up to provide old European women for servicing by young African men – even as a part of the sex tourism, or a sex racket ( introducing young African man to some old rabbit European women – for cash and men to young African women, that the recruitment agent has also provided - for cash ) whilst pretending to be interested in politics , sociology, culture, and everything else that is secondary to their basic needs.
So, in tha extended future that lies open before you, please ask someone else pertinent questions that could be useful for their self development or that would massage the development of their self-esteem – and don’t forget your bedtime prayers…… |
Edited by - Cornelius on 21 Dec 2006 22:53:23 |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 22:57:31
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I am very serious about the Gambia. I support several children and help a nursery school. I am interested in the culture.
The fact I have met a Senegalese man in Gambia is a side issue. It is not the primary reason I go to the Gambia. My commitment to the children I help would be strong whether or not I see this man.
Cornelius I find you quite patronising and offensive. I have been posting on this site for 12 months now and have been going to the Gambia for 4 years.
To you I am an old lady. Well I am 46. I think in my prime! My grandma is 93 and still very active. She would laugh at the idea of 46 being old. Age is all in the mind and I feel young at heart.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 22:57:31
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I am very serious about the Gambia. I support several children and help a nursery school. I am interested in the culture.
The fact I have met a Senegalese man in Gambia is a side issue. It is not the primary reason I go to the Gambia. My commitment to the children I help would be strong whether or not I see this man.
Cornelius I find you quite patronising and offensive. I have been posting on this site for 12 months now and have been going to the Gambia for 4 years.
To you I am an old lady. Well I am 46. I think in my prime! My grandma is 93 and still very active. She would laugh at the idea of 46 being old. Age is all in the mind and I feel young at heart.
I am off to bed for my beauty sleep! |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 23:07:58
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quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
I am very serious about the Gambia. I support several children and help a nursery school. I am interested in the culture.
The fact I have met a Senegalese man in Gambia is a side issue. It is not the primary reason I go to the Gambia. My commitment to the children I help would be strong whether or not I see this man.
Cornelius I find you quite patronising and offensive. I have been posting on this site for 12 months now and have been going to the Gambia for 4 years.
To you I am an old lady. Well I am 46. I think in my prime! My grandma is 93 and still very active. She would laugh at the idea of 46 being old. Age is all in the mind and I feel young at heart.
I am off to bed for my beauty sleep!
more like it gambiabev. age is in the mind.you are still young ,life begins at 50. when i reach fifty i will just be doing travelling in the african countries by road.to see different cultures and people and many more interesting things.my wife support that idea. take each day as it comes ,look after your self. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 23:07:58
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quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
I am very serious about the Gambia. I support several children and help a nursery school. I am interested in the culture.
The fact I have met a Senegalese man in Gambia is a side issue. It is not the primary reason I go to the Gambia. My commitment to the children I help would be strong whether or not I see this man.
Cornelius I find you quite patronising and offensive. I have been posting on this site for 12 months now and have been going to the Gambia for 4 years.
To you I am an old lady. Well I am 46. I think in my prime! My grandma is 93 and still very active. She would laugh at the idea of 46 being old. Age is all in the mind and I feel young at heart.
I am off to bed for my beauty sleep!
more like it gambiabev. age is in the mind.you are still young ,life begins at 50. when i reach fifty i will just be doing travelling in the african countries by road.to see different cultures and people and many more interesting things.my wife support that idea. take each day as it comes ,look after your self. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 23:11:11
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Originally posted by kobo
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Originally posted by jambo
hello, kobo, i have missed you nice that you are back with plenty of issues to debate
Thanks as I always read and not missing the trend of issues and interactions.
Bantaba is always vibrant and more mature members are always joining.
kobs good see your postings again. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 23:11:11
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Originally posted by kobo
quote:
Originally posted by jambo
hello, kobo, i have missed you nice that you are back with plenty of issues to debate
Thanks as I always read and not missing the trend of issues and interactions.
Bantaba is always vibrant and more mature members are always joining.
kobs good see your postings again. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 23:48:47
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[quote]Originally posted by gambiabev
" I am very serious about the Gambia. I support several children and help a nursery school. I am interested in the culture.
The fact I have met a Senegalese man in Gambia .......& been going to the Gambia for 4 years " etc We understand.
Yes Gambiebev, you've told us this times without number. We know how serious you are: very serious. OK, so Chill - I also have two kids in Tibet, a boy and girl, both ten years of age.
My roots Nigeria Yoruba grandmother taught me this one:
”This night when I lie down to sleep
I pray to God my soul to keep
If I should die before I wake
I pray the Lord my soul to take.
In my little bed I lie
Heavenly Father hear my prayer
God protect me through the night,
Keep me safe till morning Light.”
Sleep well Gambiebev.......
I did a correspondence course after reading “An Autobiography of a Yogi” early in 1972
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-51%2CGGLJ%3Aen&q=%E2%80%9C+Autobiography+of+a+Yogi%E2%80%9D+&btnG=Search&meta=
and after reading a lot of Hesse ( much criticized for pacifism and escapism into mysticism, even as some lay bleeding) starting with DEMIAN.... ( the links are a stimulus to younger Bantaba people…. to whet both interest and curiosity)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-51%2CGGLJ%3Aen&q=Herman+Hesse&btnG=Search&meta=
up till now I have been unable to read MAGISTER LUDI to the end, ( up till now= after a few attempts, because of identifying so closely with Joseph Knecht – at that time. Perhaps now I’d read it through........
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-51,GGLJ:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Joseph+Knecht&spell=1
Magister LUDI
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-51%2CGGLJ%3Aen&q=Magister+Ludi&meta=
I remember sitting at an apartment ( David & Agnes Canter’s – in Gamla Stan, one evening, just off Pistol Theatre and meditating, following a silver thread..... to the moon, yes, you may dream heavenwards, lunatic-ally.
Some sound and loving thoughts for you here from the wonderful Universal Indian Soul ...and that includes your young one ina Senegal
(Soulful English poet asked if he could be the Gambia in her Senegal?????)
Society:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-51%2CGGLJ%3Aen&q=Paramahansa+Yogananda%27s+Self-Realization+Society+&btnG=Search&meta=
Fellowship:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-51,GGLJ:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Paramahansa+Yogananda%27s+Self-Realization+Fellowship&spell=1
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 21 Dec 2006 : 23:48:47
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[quote]Originally posted by gambiabev
" I am very serious about the Gambia. I support several children and help a nursery school. I am interested in the culture.
The fact I have met a Senegalese man in Gambia .......& been going to the Gambia for 4 years " etc We understand.
Yes Gambiebev, you've told us this times without number. We know how serious you are: very serious. OK, so Chill - I also have two kids in Tibet, a boy and girl, both ten years of age.
My roots Nigeria Yoruba grandmother taught me this one:
”This night when I lie down to sleep
I pray to God my soul to keep
If I should die before I wake
I pray the Lord my soul to take.
In my little bed I lie
Heavenly Father hear my prayer
God protect me through the night,
Keep me safe till morning Light.”
Sleep well Gambiebev.......
I did a correspondence course after reading “An Autobiography of a Yogi” early in 1972
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-51%2CGGLJ%3Aen&q=%E2%80%9C+Autobiography+of+a+Yogi%E2%80%9D+&btnG=Search&meta=
and after reading a lot of Hesse ( much criticized for pacifism and escapism into mysticism, even as some lay bleeding) starting with DEMIAN.... ( the links are a stimulus to younger Bantaba people…. to whet both interest and curiosity)
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-51%2CGGLJ%3Aen&q=Herman+Hesse&btnG=Search&meta=
up till now I have been unable to read MAGISTER LUDI to the end, ( up till now= after a few attempts, because of identifying so closely with Joseph Knecht – at that time. Perhaps now I’d read it through........
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-51,GGLJ:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Joseph+Knecht&spell=1
Magister LUDI
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-51%2CGGLJ%3Aen&q=Magister+Ludi&meta=
I remember sitting at an apartment ( David & Agnes Canter’s – in Gamla Stan, one evening, just off Pistol Theatre and meditating, following a silver thread..... to the moon, yes, you may dream heavenwards, lunatic-ally.
Some sound and loving thoughts for you here from the wonderful Universal Indian Soul ...and that includes your young one ina Senegal
(Soulful English poet asked if he could be the Gambia in her Senegal?????)
Society:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ%2CGGLJ%3A2006-51%2CGGLJ%3Aen&q=Paramahansa+Yogananda%27s+Self-Realization+Society+&btnG=Search&meta=
Fellowship:
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-51,GGLJ:en&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=Paramahansa+Yogananda%27s+Self-Realization+Fellowship&spell=1
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 12:30:28
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Corn..how old are you? If you got a degree from an english university in 1969 you must be nearing retirement?! I was born in 1960! Did you actually study in Durham or was it by post?
Gambiebev,
These fixations about Oxfordshire and Cambridge, and the age and beauty fixation ( I never asked my mother ”How old are you?” - The former is British colonial, the latter mostly Western European – because in Africa, and especially in Yorubaland, we respect our elders.
About the first fixation, my aging Kotoh who they say never darkened the doors of Harvard or Yale, has fielded such enquiries to me through a few lady friends of mine - and I’ve told them “if you go to the moon, it’s the same mind that you’ll take with you”. But your more satisfaction you’d better check out what V.S. Naipaul thinks about Oxford and Cambridge….as for me, I have not harboured such thoughts.
Sankore!
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=The+Athens+of+WEst+Africa&meta=
About the birth bizness, I was not born in the year of the monkey, and my birth certificate says “Father: British West Indian”, and that should endear me a little to my own sister Omega (just wait till Santanfara starts calling you “soul sister”, (with or without a piece of chicken hanging from his mouth, then you’ll know that the Revolution has arrived and the Redemption of all mankind is at hand.
Yes, “British West Indian” should please Sister Omega no end, but as in the climax of
“Telephone Conversation” I must also plead, --"Madam, wouldn't you rather
See for yourself?" - as some West Indians, unlike me have never even been to India.
These IPSWICH murders –PURE EVIL – and not a word on Bantaba, not even from the resident Brits!!
Strange.
This brings me t to what I wanted to convey, not about “the banality of evil”, but a couple of sentences from the preface and introduction to “Modernity and the Problem of Evil” – (NB. It’s for general consumption, and if you - whoever you are, are personally disinterested or uninterested in the issues, please ignore so much babble, and leave it – you can even get lost!
It’s only food for thought:
1. “While neither George W. Bush nor Osama bin Laden had the least doubt that they spoke for the forces of good, when they branded their enemy “evil”, many people, including myself were forced to question just how secular our society really was.
2 ”To simplify Nietzsche’s point to the extreme, while the distinctions between “good and bad” remain in some sense grounded in the natural, the “good and evil” distinction is grounded in the divine. While the originators of judgments of “ good and bad” had sufficient confidence in their own natural instincts to establish these moral categories as their own, the originators of the concept of “good and evil” lacked this confidence ( in Nietzsche’s language, they lacked the strength) and sought transcendental justification for their judgments in the will of God. For many thinkers after Nietzsche, the concept of evil is simply a residue of an outdated theological perspective on the world. But for others, it remains an indispensable part of our ethical vocabulary that can and must be rescued from its theological trappings, especially when we confront atrocities of the past century like the Holocaust, the Rwandan genocide, or, more recently, the many events associated with 9/11
Nietzsche’s thoughts concerning the influence of religion on the rhetoric of evil are not the only ones that frame these essays.”
3.” For both Kant and Nietzsche, the concept of evil is caught in a tension between the natural and the theological, and it has remained there through much of the twentieth century, as “Auschwitz” and the “Holocaust” served as names for the “evil.” That raised questions both as to what a human will was capable of and what God might allow to occur. This tension can be seen in Adorno’s famous remark, that “to write poetry after Auschwitz is barbaric.”
….duty calls ……after the Sabbath, Ali G….
A-tor.
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