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Cornelius
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 Posted - 22 Dec 2006 : 12:30:28
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Corn..how old are you? If you got a degree from an english university in 1969 you must be nearing retirement?! I was born in 1960! Did you actually study in Durham or was it by post?
Gambiebev,
These fixations about Oxfordshire and Cambridge, and the age and beauty fixation ( I never asked my mother ”How old are you?” - The former is British colonial, the latter mostly Western European – because in Africa, and especially in Yorubaland, we respect our elders.
About the first fixation, my aging Kotoh who they say never darkened the doors of Harvard or Yale, has fielded such enquiries to me through a few lady friends of mine - and I’ve told them “if you go to the moon, it’s the same mind that you’ll take with you”. But your more satisfaction you’d better check out what V.S. Naipaul thinks about Oxford and Cambridge….as for me, I have not harboured such thoughts.
Sankore!
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=The+Athens+of+WEst+Africa&meta=
About the birth bizness, I was not born in the year of the monkey, and my birth certificate says “Father: British West Indian”, and that should endear me a little to my own sister Omega (just wait till Santanfara starts calling you “soul sister”, (with or without a piece of chicken hanging from his mouth, then you’ll know that the Revolution has arrived and the Redemption of all mankind is at hand.
Yes, “British West Indian” should please Sister Omega no end, but as in the climax of
“Telephone Conversation” I must also plead, --"Madam, wouldn't you rather
See for yourself?" - as some West Indians, unlike me have never even been to India.
These IPSWICH murders –PURE EVIL – and not a word on Bantaba, not even from the resident Brits!!
Strange.
This brings me t to what I wanted to convey, not about “the banality of evil”, but a couple of sentences from the preface and introduction to “Modernity and the Problem of Evil” – (NB. It’s for general consumption, and if you - whoever you are, are personally disinterested or uninterested in the issues, please ignore so much babble, and leave it – you can even get lost!
It’s only food for thought:
1. “While neither George W. Bush nor Osama bin Laden had the least doubt that they spoke for the forces of good, when they branded their enemy “evil”, many people, including myself were forced to question just how secular our society really was.
2 ”To simplify Nietzsche’s point to the extreme, while the distinctions between “good and bad” remain in some sense grounded in the natural, the “good and evil” distinction is grounded in the divine. While the originators of judgments of “ good and bad” had sufficient confidence in their own natural instincts to establish these moral categories as their own, the originators of the concept of “good and evil” lacked this confidence ( in Nietzsche’s language, they lacked the strength) and sought transcendental justification for their judgments in the will of God. For many thinkers after Nietzsche, the concept of evil is simply a residue of an outdated theological perspective on the world. But for others, it remains an indispensable part of our ethical vocabulary that can and must be rescued from its theological trappings, especially when we confront atrocities of the past century like the Holocaust, the Rwandan genocide, or, more recently, the many events associated with 9/11
Nietzsche’s thoughts concerning the influence of religion on the rhetoric of evil are not the only ones that frame these essays.”
3.” For both Kant and Nietzsche, the concept of evil is caught in a tension between the natural and the theological, and it has remained there through much of the twentieth century, as “Auschwitz” and the “Holocaust” served as names for the “evil.” That raised questions both as to what a human will was capable of and what God might allow to occur. This tension can be seen in Adorno’s famous remark, that “to write poetry after Auschwitz is barbaric.”
….duty calls ……after the Sabbath, Ali G….
A-tor.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 22:36:53
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Who then is fooling who in Gambia? Jammeh or Gambians? On one end of the equation, a bunch of self seeking souls sing like angels to Jammeh and make him dish out favours to them at any cost to rest of the population. At another end of the equation, Jammeh acts as though he is chosen by divine authority to rule a nation. He walks and talks that way as though he is "sent by God.!!! " Who then is fooling who? |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 28 Dec 2006 : 22:36:53
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Who then is fooling who in Gambia? Jammeh or Gambians? On one end of the equation, a bunch of self seeking souls sing like angels to Jammeh and make him dish out favours to them at any cost to rest of the population. At another end of the equation, Jammeh acts as though he is chosen by divine authority to rule a nation. He walks and talks that way as though he is "sent by God.!!! " Who then is fooling who? |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 00:26:58
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Originally posted by Karamba
Who then is fooling who in Gambia? Jammeh or Gambians? On one end of the equation, a bunch of self seeking souls sing like angels to Jammeh and make him dish out favours to them at any cost to rest of the population. At another end of the equation, Jammeh acts as though he is chosen by divine authority to rule a nation. He walks and talks that way as though he is "sent by God.!!! " Who then is fooling who?
Well in such a situation, everyone seems to be a looser. You get what you pay for. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 29 Dec 2006 : 00:26:58
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Originally posted by Karamba
Who then is fooling who in Gambia? Jammeh or Gambians? On one end of the equation, a bunch of self seeking souls sing like angels to Jammeh and make him dish out favours to them at any cost to rest of the population. At another end of the equation, Jammeh acts as though he is chosen by divine authority to rule a nation. He walks and talks that way as though he is "sent by God.!!! " Who then is fooling who?
Well in such a situation, everyone seems to be a looser. You get what you pay for. |
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Cornelius
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 31 Dec 2006 : 03:30:44
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Cornelius,
If it takes repetition to drive that fact home, I am ready to do so. Yes,I stay by the truth that 22 July coup was/is not necessary in Gambia. If Jammeh had chosen to rule Gambia and expected to gain respect, there was already generous democratic options open to him. By choosing the gun, he will need his whole life to convince well-meaning Gambians that his is worth the salt. The only ONE WAY that he is able to clean his records is to step away from politics for a detoxication of everything that goes with coup. Then he is free to utilise the decent avenues of clean politics. Coup in any form is betrayal of TRUST. That is what continues frustrating Jammeh the more. He trusts not, neither is he trusted. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 31 Dec 2006 : 03:30:44
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Cornelius,
If it takes repetition to drive that fact home, I am ready to do so. Yes,I stay by the truth that 22 July coup was/is not necessary in Gambia. If Jammeh had chosen to rule Gambia and expected to gain respect, there was already generous democratic options open to him. By choosing the gun, he will need his whole life to convince well-meaning Gambians that his is worth the salt. The only ONE WAY that he is able to clean his records is to step away from politics for a detoxication of everything that goes with coup. Then he is free to utilise the decent avenues of clean politics. Coup in any form is betrayal of TRUST. That is what continues frustrating Jammeh the more. He trusts not, neither is he trusted. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 31 Dec 2006 : 17:01:57
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22 July 1994 is already written in history and Jammeh has now been President for 12 years. Jammeh will be President in 2007 and has another four years to go. So those wishing to unseat him have four years to work out a strategy for Gambians themselves to seriously consider. If not in 2011 Jammeh will be back until 2016 and if the same shambles ocurs in 2020. So it remains to be seen if there will be any viable options for vision 2020. You never know by then Jammeh may consider voluntarily standing down and retire with a comfortable pension but Karamba will you be ready to rule Gambia by then. 
Peace
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Peace
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 31 Dec 2006 17:16:51 |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 31 Dec 2006 : 17:01:57
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22 July 1994 is already written in history and Jammeh has now been President for 12 years. Jammeh will be President in 2007 and has another four years to go. So those wishing to unseat him have four years to work out a strategy for Gambians themselves to seriously consider. If not in 2011 Jammeh will be back until 2016 and if the same shambles ocurs in 2020. So it remains to be seen if there will be any viable options for vision 2020. You never know by then Jammeh may consider voluntarily standing down and retire with a comfortable pension but Karamba will you be ready to rule Gambia by then.
Peace
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Peace
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 31 Dec 2006 17:16:51 |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 31 Dec 2006 : 18:26:15
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Sister Omega & Karamba,
A Happy New Year to you both - I phoned my wife and some of the family in Australia about four hours ago to wish her & them the same....
My question remains unanswered by Karamba. The objective answer cannot be by extremist or hysterical opinion only, and by that I mean we understand the changing of the guard syndrome in Nigeria where usually, after a period of political misrule by a civilian government, the erosion of the rule of law, the utter disregard for citizen and Human Rights, accountability, and the depletion of the national treasury through grand scale looting and corruption & daylight robbery of the people's wealth( with monies salted away in the big banks and salted away in offshore investments and deposits - I know what I'm talking about and before the '83 coup - when the Nigerian currency was to be changed, I myself stood to " make"
£1,000,000,cash down for playing a very insignificant part not even involving the moving of a muscle) well, once the national coffers are depleted and completely empty, the army takes over. That's what happens
In the Gmabia you say that the nation was at the height of democartic rule (and fair play?) under Jawara. True? In the 12 years that have elapsed since Captain Jammeh took over, EVERYBODY talks about the remarkable development that has taken place during the period that he has been in office. I assume that is why he scored 67.23% at the last elections.
Given all the evidence about coups in Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone, to name just three countries where the military elite has usually done it's military training/schooling at the same Sandhurst and Aldershot ( laterly in the USA like Tunisia's Ben Ali and now Kenya -soon China - there has been that tendency of a chain reaction, the Military in Nigeria has always had friends in the military in Ghana and Sierra Leone, even in the days when the Gamabia had no army, but only the Boys Scouts (I do suppose that you think that things were much better then - we should ask Dr. Thomas, whether he also thinks so) - but what I'm getting at is that coups in West Africa - not that we like them, have generally had the mass backing of the suffering populace generally distruaght & fed up with the conspicuous consumption of the entrencerhd & corrupt political elites that they voted into power whilst they themsleves feed on rations and starvation diets, working like slaves to make ends meet.
HOW do you account for the popularity of Yahya Jammeh's blooodless coup (some say "widely acclaimed") & which effected that regime change - THEN?
I'm still asking about THEN.
In retrospect and with so much water(and some blood)having flowed down the river Gambia, it is easy to say what the disgruntled usually say all day.
The first coup in Sierra Leone, by David Lansana (who I served Johnny Walker whiskey on a number of occasions, prior to that event) toppled the first democratically conducted election - for the first time won by the opposition ( the APC) in the history of Democracy in Africa - and it still pains me although little did we know then the direction that the country of my birth would have taken after Siaka Stevens was rightfully restored to office. We must also understand there were many forces at work and that unlike many of those who were knighted by Her Majesty - Sir Milton, Sir Albert, and the many many other Sirs, Pa Shaki never aimed at receiving that sort of accolade.
I look forward to optimism and a call for unity in Yahya Jammeh's New Year address to the Gambian nation, which should work and walk together to go forward to greater success with out lives.
Have a happy 2007, everybody!
http://www.nigeriamasterweb.com/bookmksites.html |
Edited by - Cornelius on 31 Dec 2006 18:46:58 |
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Cornelius
Sweden
1051 Posts |
Posted - 31 Dec 2006 : 18:26:15
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Sister Omega & Karamba,
A Happy New Year to you both - I phoned my wife and some of the family in Australia about four hours ago to wish her & them the same....
My question remains unanswered by Karamba. The objective answer cannot be by extremist or hysterical opinion only, and by that I mean we understand the changing of the guard syndrome in Nigeria where usually, after a period of political misrule by a civilian government, the erosion of the rule of law, the utter disregard for citizen and Human Rights, accountability, and the depletion of the national treasury through grand scale looting and corruption & daylight robbery of the people's wealth( with monies salted away in the big banks and salted away in offshore investments and deposits - I know what I'm talking about and before the '83 coup - when the Nigerian currency was to be changed, I myself stood to " make"
£1,000,000,cash down for playing a very insignificant part not even involving the moving of a muscle) well, once the national coffers are depleted and completely empty, the army takes over. That's what happens
In the Gmabia you say that the nation was at the height of democartic rule (and fair play?) under Jawara. True? In the 12 years that have elapsed since Captain Jammeh took over, EVERYBODY talks about the remarkable development that has taken place during the period that he has been in office. I assume that is why he scored 67.23% at the last elections.
Given all the evidence about coups in Nigeria, Ghana, Sierra Leone, to name just three countries where the military elite has usually done it's military training/schooling at the same Sandhurst and Aldershot ( laterly in the USA like Tunisia's Ben Ali and now Kenya -soon China - there has been that tendency of a chain reaction, the Military in Nigeria has always had friends in the military in Ghana and Sierra Leone, even in the days when the Gamabia had no army, but only the Boys Scouts (I do suppose that you think that things were much better then - we should ask Dr. Thomas, whether he also thinks so) - but what I'm getting at is that coups in West Africa - not that we like them, have generally had the mass backing of the suffering populace generally distruaght & fed up with the conspicuous consumption of the entrencerhd & corrupt political elites that they voted into power whilst they themsleves feed on rations and starvation diets, working like slaves to make ends meet.
HOW do you account for the popularity of Yahya Jammeh's blooodless coup (some say "widely acclaimed") & which effected that regime change - THEN?
I'm still asking about THEN.
In retrospect and with so much water(and some blood)having flowed down the river Gambia, it is easy to say what the disgruntled usually say all day.
The first coup in Sierra Leone, by David Lansana (who I served Johnny Walker whiskey on a number of occasions, prior to that event) toppled the first democratically conducted election - for the first time won by the opposition ( the APC) in the history of Democracy in Africa - and it still pains me although little did we know then the direction that the country of my birth would have taken after Siaka Stevens was rightfully restored to office. We must also understand there were many forces at work and that unlike many of those who were knighted by Her Majesty - Sir Milton, Sir Albert, and the many many other Sirs, Pa Shaki never aimed at receiving that sort of accolade.
I look forward to optimism and a call for unity in Yahya Jammeh's New Year address to the Gambian nation, which should work and walk together to go forward to greater success with out lives.
Have a happy 2007, everybody!
http://www.nigeriamasterweb.com/bookmksites.html |
Edited by - Cornelius on 31 Dec 2006 18:46:58 |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
3820 Posts |
Posted - 18 Jan 2007 : 21:09:48
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Thought we have gone past the age and time. Suddenly Kondorong recalls we are still about who is fooling who! For lack of better strategy, our president likes to blow another baloon of deception so that Gambians believe he commands the Gambia's blue sky. Are we safely seated in cyberspace ready to move 21 century Gambia beyond the mystic forest of Kanilai? Are Gambians still asleep to believe the self-acclaimed president/ African herbsman? What is his job?
Thank you Kondorong for bringing back the question. WHO IS FOOLING WHO ? |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Jan 2007 : 21:09:48
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Thought we have gone past the age and time. Suddenly Kondorong recalls we are still about who is fooling who! For lack of better strategy, our president likes to blow another baloon of deception so that Gambians believe he commands the Gambia's blue sky. Are we safely seated in cyberspace ready to move 21 century Gambia beyond the mystic forest of Kanilai? Are Gambians still asleep to believe the self-acclaimed president/ African herbsman? What is his job?
Thank you Kondorong for bringing back the question. WHO IS FOOLING WHO ? |
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