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Alhassan
Sweden
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 Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 09:15:09
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Originally posted by mansasulu
Polygamy is allowed in Islam for a reason. Today too many men are either in prison or dying becasue of wars. More often we hear people rant about how it is unfair and that sort of thing. The truth of the matter is that Islam provides the best solution to the prevailing social inequity of all societies. This may sound ironical, but it is the only religion that commands men to marry ONLY ONE WIFE. No other religious scripture limits men to one wife.
Quran Chapter 4, Verse 3 says
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
Clearly polygamy is allowed but strictly regulated.
Sulu,
Your interpretation is quite sufficent. I have been asking different Malams about this issue. I have consulted muslims from different parts of the world even the Shia has the same understanding. They even go further than that by marring for a limited time. |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 06 Aug 2007 : 16:20:45
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Originally posted by inez
Gongrats Santa! Just be fair to them
thanks inez ,but i was only joking .i am not ready for two wives yet. i don't have the time to engage in the practice. if i settle dowm who knows |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Sibo
Denmark
231 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 13:48:50
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Bev
I do not think any woman will welcome adultry, either moslem or christian. As far as I am aware a moslem woman can aks for divorce if her husband is cheating on her. And adultry in islam is not just when a husband sheats on his wife or the other way around, but also when single men and women a sleeping around |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 17:39:41
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Originally posted by Sibo
Bev
And adultry in islam is not just when a husband sheats on his wife or the other way around, but also when single men and women a sleeping around
There is a diference between the two. For there to be adultery few conditions must be established in Islam
1. Either party must confess that they did infact commit adultery or
2. That three witnesses must be found who should have seen penetration which is almost impossible for that to happen. Thats why its very difficult to prosecute adultery.
In the case of unmarried persons the same rules apply except that the punishements are different. The latter is given 100 lashes. Those lashes are also regulated. The person enforcing the lashes must not raise his arm to a point that the arm pit is seen. I believe you cannot give lashes on the face either. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 19:26:00
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Originally posted by kondorong
2. That three witnesses must be found who should have seen penetration which is almost impossible for that to happen. Thats why its very difficult to prosecute adultery.
Koto Konds, it is four witnesses, instead of three. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 20:59:00
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Mansasulu
Thanks for correcting me. I am planning to be a Cadi |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 07 Aug 2007 : 23:58:33
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| So if there is no penetration there is no adultry ? |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 00:47:27
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Originally posted by kayjatta
So if there is no penetration there is no adultry ?
A witness has to say that he/she did see that. Merely saying you found them sitting down on each other or kissing is not enough as evidence. The witnesses must also swear by the Quran that they are speaking the truth.
May be better learned persons can help in this.
Thanks |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 06:26:40
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So going by that , much of foreplay and even "oral sex" may not qualify as adultry (sex). This brings to mind Bill Clinton's famous argument that he "...did not have sex with that woman" meaning oral sex is not considered "sex".
How about the short term "contract marriage" practised by many Middle Eastern Muslims, isn't that very close to prostitution? |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 12:09:02
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| kayjatta, I think it is. But in questions like this I am a damned hardliner: For me, any relationship which connects sex with subsistance is very close to prostitution. That means also the 'classical' marriage, be it poly- or monogamous. |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 14:06:49
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| so relationship between single people is condemned, there is a lot of that in the world, how do yu stop it happening. you can preach all you like, but a bet there is a lot of unmarried relationships happening, this could be a two edge sword. |
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 14:30:25
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Originally posted by kayjatta
So going by that , much of foreplay and even "oral sex" may not qualify as adultry (sex). This brings to mind Bill Clinton's famous argument that he "...did not have sex with that woman" meaning oral sex is not considered "sex".
How about the short term "contract marriage" practised by many Middle Eastern Muslims, isn't that very close to prostitution?
Kayjatta, it is only practiced specifically by the Shia. It is called muttah marriage. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 08 Aug 2007 : 15:10:00
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Originally posted by kayjatta
So going by that , much of foreplay and even "oral sex" may not qualify as adultry (sex). This brings to mind Bill Clinton's famous argument that he "...did not have sex with that woman" meaning oral sex is not considered "sex".
How about the short term "contract marriage" practised by many Middle Eastern Muslims, isn't that very close to prostitution?
KAY ,well i though you are quiet open minded and factual but judging by your errornious post here i cannot but consider you as some one with an influence contrary to that of islam. i may be wrong about that but short term marriage or contract marriage is practice by just one sect of shia's even that is hardly practice. shia's are conscentarted in iran/irag ,very few in middle east .but your saying many middle eastern muslimsis grossly wrong. i suspect your line of reasoning is a misunderstood islamic ways. if you are familar with the tenet of islam and sharia you will know that those who practice that act are actually consider siners.the family is still sacred among majority islamic society ,and marriage have a clear laid dowm principles no muslims can consider foreplay as not adultery, it is adultry in it best. the qurans states that ''do not go close to adultry and fornication ,it is an evil way ''.this encompass every thing leading to full penetrative sex.even holding hands with a non-maharam (some one you can marry to ) women is considered adultry or fornication ,let alone foreplay .to us it is adultry.visiting places where one have access to women or men without marital bond is violating the quranic statement of walatakarabu zinah inahu kana fahesatan wasaha sabilah ..mean ( do not go near fornication or adultry ,it is sinful way or act ,it hated by Allah ) we consider the child born in adultrous relationship to be the sole owner by the mother. the father doesn't have any right over that child ,he cannot give his family name to that child. the woman have full custody of the child. that is why adultry and fornication are evil.the child does not have any inheritance right of the wealth of the the man who fathered him/her.
kay, get your facts rights about other peoples faith ,no one can sensor any one here but let us correctly put things in perspective. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Sibo
Denmark
231 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 09:07:32
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| I have heard and read about adultry cases where it was only the woman that got punished and nothing happened to the man. I know the quran says punish them both. So how come the wman gets punished alone, how is that justified???? |
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Santanfara
3460 Posts |
Posted - 09 Aug 2007 : 10:32:01
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Originally posted by Sibo
I have heard and read about adultry cases where it was only the woman that got punished and nothing happened to the man. I know the quran says punish them both. So how come the wman gets punished alone, how is that justified????
sibo ,nice question .in actual fact there is hardly many punishment for adultry because the evidence that it has happend is hard to come by in many countries practicing sharia. in some over excerjurated cases the the guilty parties are both equally punished but remember wherever women are involve the issue usually take a different tune.
the notion that muslim men oppress women and the west don't comes into play .the furore is mostly about women's right the man is not talked about.some widely publicise such case was the nigerian womean Amina lawal .in her case she concieve with a child and she couldn't say who the father was .the court arrested the man who she cliam to have slept with but she later said it may have been her husband whom she was devorced with. so the man cannot in theory be punished unless dna evidence is supply .but in cases where the two parties are caught redhanded then both parties pay for the consiquences.
infact ,countries like iran and saudi trial the man much earlier than the woman .so the case of the man is usually forgotten before the lady comes to trial and in many cases women are even spared punishment if they can prove that the man forced them ,whilst the man cannot arque in such cases.
so we are dealing with misunderstood system and the clash of custom and norms.the women pressure groups in the west make news worthy cases of women in the dock ,this is natural . |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
www.suntoumana.blogspot.com |
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