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Janko
Gambia
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 Posted - 02 Aug 2007 : 12:43:29
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True happiness is found from within and from relationships with other humans. It has nothing to do with acquisition of material goods.
Very true, an individual’s happiness could not be determined by realities outside the person, it is a one mans meat.
I am not polygamous but understand it is not just sexuality but also a social structure with many other functions than just reproduction. There are polygamous relationships in Africa, Europe (I know people living in polygamy in today’s Europe,) and in the USA etc.
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 02 Aug 2007 : 12:51:08
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[quote]Originally posted by gambiabevTrue happiness is found from within and from relationships with other humans. It has nothing to do with acquisition of material goods.
[quote]I like those words,they have a peacefull feeling about them,I hope Yaya takes them to his heart,after a drink of his famous K water
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Aug 2007 : 13:37:42
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| Everytime I visit Gambia I am reminded of this statement. It is something we often forget in the UK. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 02 Aug 2007 : 17:20:13
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Everytime I visit Gambia I am reminded of this statement. It is something we often forget in the UK.
you are all invited to my manyo bito next month. aahh second one. pls no harsh comments .me and alhasan are up for two ,am i wrong uncle alhasan ? |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 02 Aug 2007 : 17:28:32
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Originally posted by kiwi
Serenata, why a lover? Why not a second husband? One big happy family
Right, kiwi! |
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inez
279 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 14:22:18
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| Gongrats Santa! Just be fair to them |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 14:40:59
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Santanfara,
I wish you all the best of luck and I hope the All Mighty gives you his blessings too. I only hope you have discussed with your first one to agree, otherwise please seek her blessings too. She is very important and neglecting her can send you to the fire.
You are quite right. As long as we live we shall continue the possitive parts of the culture. Treat them equally and discuss all family matters together. All children too should be equal. This is the only way you can keep them.This is better than adultry. Nowadays there is something in Sweden that is very strange. One woman can be together with both a woman and a man. Is this better than marring two? I for one will not accept my wife to get a girlfriend to make love as she would not accept me to get a boy friend to make love to.
I red also that 51% of the american women are single. There is too much divorce.Is that corret?
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mansasulu
997 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 16:08:45
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Polygamy is allowed in Islam for a reason. Today too many men are either in prison or dying becasue of wars. More often we hear people rant about how it is unfair and that sort of thing. The truth of the matter is that Islam provides the best solution to the prevailing social inequity of all societies. This may sound ironical, but it is the only religion that commands men to marry ONLY ONE WIFE. No other religious scripture limits men to one wife.
Quran Chapter 4, Verse 3 says
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.
Clearly polygamy is allowed but strictly regulated. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 19:52:37
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Mansasulu
Look at the verse from the Quran again. It never started with one wife. It says two, three..etc and then qualified it for those who cannot be just with them. Therefore one is a symbol of a deficiency
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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mansasulu
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Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 21:50:12
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| Koto Kondorong, the emphasis is on the word ONLY. The verse does not have to start with One Wife for it to make sense and it apppears that you conveniently and totally ignored the latter part which further qualifies the preference to marry one wife. Before you get to three or four wives you must start with number one, so starting the verse with one wife becomes redundant. However that is trivial in this instance. The basic premise of my argument is that ONLY Islam mandates marriage to one wife and that is backed by this quranic ayat. Nowhere in the New or old testament does it say marry only one wife. |
"...Verily, in the remembrance of Allâh do hearts find rest..." Sura Al-Rad (Chapter 13, Verse 28)
...Gambian by birth, Muslim by the grace of Allah... |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 23:11:19
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| The commandments from the Old testament say 'do not commit adultery' ie to me that means be loyal to one partner. |
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 03 Aug 2007 : 23:22:35
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Originally posted by gambiabev
The commandments from the Old testament say 'do not commit adultery' ie to me that means be loyal to one partner.
No. Adultery is not about one wife. Adultery is about having an affair with someone who is not married to you. That however is not based on the principle of one wife as far religion is concerned. Both the old and New Testaments have not said that one wife is the policy.
Abraham had two wives and he is a Prophet from the Old Testament. In the new Testament, Jesus never married in the first place. So how can you say adultery is being loyal to one partner when Jesus never married and Abraham had two wives. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 10:18:45
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Jesus has NOTHING to do with it. If you are a christian then you believe he is the son of god.
Most Christians interpret the 10 commandments as rules to live their lives by and most christians would think the IDEAL is to be married to one person for life and never have sex with anyone else once married. Originally Christians would have prefered to have married a virgin.
These days sex before marriage is more accepted and the idea of serial monogamy is more accepted. BUT for a Christian adultery is still not acceptable behaviour.
Most Christians marry HOPING it will be for life and hoping to stay faithful to their one partner.
Of course in the real world there are many challenges in married life and humans dont always live up to the ideal.
Abraham lived along time ago and lived by the social norms of that time. That doesnot mean we have to copy that. It doesnt mean that that is appropriate to NOW! It is a historic fact, that is all.
We should be moving forward and treating women as more than possessions. WOmen deserve to have a partner who treats her as an EQUAL, who LOVES her and is FAITHFUL to her. ADULTERY in Christianity means simply NOT being faithful (in thought , word and deed). In other words just THINKING about sex with another person is not acceptable.
I would like to hear what Muslim women think about adultery and what it means to them.
Also any Christians (Jambo?) that may have more information than me? |
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jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 13:39:44
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i am thinking on this, because it is a loaded gun. i will read up on some verses and get back to you. Adultery is about cheating, one or more partners have to be married. if they are both single and are cheating on their partners no adultery.
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kayjatta
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Posted - 04 Aug 2007 : 23:19:01
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Bev , I like your post. Great ideas there. I definitely agree with your points.
Kondorong , I agree with you too that the preference seems to be multiple wives , one wife is suggested only as an alternative when polygamy is impossible. |
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