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Cornelius
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kobo
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 Posted - 29 Oct 2006 : 00:59:36
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On what criteria and merits do you reckon Cornelius? Hope Human Rights issues are taken into consideration, liberty, good governance and democracy? Any PRIZE for a climate of FEAR?
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Aku_pickin
Christmas Island
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Posted - 29 Oct 2006 : 17:51:42
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Conelius did you miss this statement in the article:
"We need to remove corruption and improve governance," Mr Ibrahim said.
Jammeh and his cronies are the epitome of corruption.
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ranga
USA
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Posted - 29 Oct 2006 : 18:32:24
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No matter who wins this prize, it seems to be a good idea to me. We get to celebrate great African leaders.
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T.K. "Ranga" Rengarajan
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Aku_pickin
Christmas Island
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Posted - 29 Oct 2006 : 19:39:11
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Originally posted by ranga
No matter who wins this prize, it seems to be a good idea to me. We get to celebrate great African leaders.
I agree with you 100%. I think this incentive might even persuade some corrupt leaders to change their ways.
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Justice must be served as impunity brings more repression and corruption! |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 29 Oct 2006 : 20:11:34
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Originally posted by Aku_pickin
Conelius did you miss this statement in the article:
"We need to remove corruption and improve governance," Mr Ibrahim said.
Jammeh and his cronies are the epitome of corruption.
I should not agree with you about your definition of " epitome of corruption."
The Holy Quran requires that you bring your proofs if you are indeed truthful in what you are saying.
Yes, I believe that if he continues to work hard with development and satisfying our basic needs, the president of the Gambia is most likely to win the prize. Best African leader.
Freedom of speech.
In Sierra Leone they are already fighting it out for the dreams of the heart and soul of the people and the propaganda is mostly about the epitomy of corruption.
Nothing abstract about it. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 29 Oct 2006 : 21:53:36
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| I wish I were a president today.I will be the one to win the prize.Live in peace and retire from politics for good!Oh my God what an oppotunity from a generous son of the continent! |
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Aku_pickin
Christmas Island
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Posted - 29 Oct 2006 : 23:01:24
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Originally posted by Cornelius
I should not agree with you about your definition of " epitome of corruption."
The Holy Quran requires that you bring your proofs if you are indeed truthful in what you are saying.
Yes, I believe that if he continues to work hard with development and satisfying our basic needs, the president of the Gambia is most likely to win the prize. Best African leader.
Freedom of speech.
In Sierra Leone they are already fighting it out for the dreams of the heart and soul of the people and the propaganda is mostly about the epitomy of corruption.
Nothing abstract about it.
The Quran, the bible, which I read before retiring for the evening, and other religious writings/teachings have similar sayings. This President has done many things which are considered to be un-Islamic. Case in point, stating that opposition supporters should not benefit from his annual Ramadan donations.
Cornelius, the only proof I need is that, he went from having nothing to being one of the riches African presidents. He even brags that he is richer than the nation. You are partially correct that, "if he continues to work hard with development and satisfying our basic needs, the President of the Gambia is most likely to win the prize" I say partially because you failed to mention respect for human rights and respect for the rule of law, particularly the constitution. How about transparency and accountability?
Are you saying that the criteria should not include these as well?
As things stand today, he is not satisfying those requirements. If he begins to satisfy them, trust me I would be the first one to nominate him for the award. I only want the best for our dear country.
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Justice must be served as impunity brings more repression and corruption! |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 29 Oct 2006 : 23:13:51
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Originally posted by Janyanfara
I wish I were a president today.I will be the one to win the prize.Live in peace and retire from politics for good!Oh my God what an oppotunity from a generous son of the continent!
No doubt you look foward to retiring as president of Africa - given a chance to put everything right?
I have my own candidate ( although I'd like to see stronger relations with China - a sort of external wish from here in cyberspace. And here I am speaking Chinese.
Our man is not doing too badly, compared to the rest on the continent.
Let us try to induce him to do even more. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Oct 2006 : 16:29:19
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Well said Aku Pickin! Cornelius what do you mean by citing Sierra Leone to contrast with Gambia under "Freedom of speech".
He is eligible to be nominated for the prize but may not qualify or eligible for NOBEL PEACE PRIZE as he needs to put his house (Gambia) in order (under rule of law and not under state of terror!) |
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Cornelius
Sweden
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Posted - 30 Oct 2006 : 18:18:19
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"state of terror", indeed you do not want to give the Nobel Prize to the Gaza Strip
"Aku Pikin" that's what Vidal Wilson used to call me. I used to sometimes clean the floors of Shaft, so that they could dance on them on Friday night. Proud of my work was I. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Oct 2006 : 18:58:20
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Cornelius! A state where Law enforcement agents can insitute arbitary arrests {without crimes committed and no arrests warrants isued), secret detentions, harassments and torture of its citizens prior to be handed to any authority or court of law or an anarchy whereby there is no democracy based on rule of law and liberty to exercise your civic, basic human rights, freedom of expressions and political will.
What do you consider that political climate and type of goverment? |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30 Oct 2006 : 19:45:24
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| What a beauty contests on the platform of AFRICA? Cornelius don't you think our Dad, Grandfather, Lawyer, Policy Consultant and Intellectual, "Lai Njomborr!", Head of State of Senegal may go neck and neck with our President and nominee with this gesture from The Point Newspaper; Senegal Media Receive Wade Boost under http://www.thepoint.gm/headlines1330.htm |
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Aku_pickin
Christmas Island
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 31 Oct 2006 : 03:08:07
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Thanks Aku Pickin! Cornelius; don't you agree that the demands are really great, impressive and challenging for Gambia?
Its a very hansome reward and a viable investment to put African leaders and the countries they govern under watchdog for corruption, economic development, respect for human rights, security, rule of law and a transparent and proper democracy. Its very challenging but its is a motivation to sort out Africa's problems, varying from country to country but on individual basis can have great impact to settle the political problems gradually. Its also a challenge for aspiring young genration of African politicians, to join in politics, the race and leadership campaigns to move their countries forward respectively. In some countries corruption and bad governance have reached a stage whhere they won't pay a heed to this hansome reward and would not have any effect to help certain countries. Its just interesting to bring Africa on the spotlight and institue more watchdogs monitoring for "good governance, rule of law and a proper democratic process"!
It is interesting to highlight some points to assess the prospects and challenges for our leaders under present Gambia government as follows:
Quotes from articles from BBC and The Telegraph:
"We need to remove corruption and improve governance," Mr Ibrahim said. "
"measure how well African leaders deliver security, health, education and economic development to their people and how well they respect human rights and the democratic process."
"The intention is good but I do not think it will promote good governance ," by Wanjiku Kagira-Kargbo
"The index will be produced annually by an independent team based at Harvard, and this may be the most important component of the project"
"But if the index by which the lucky one is chosen becomes a widely accepted measure of the quality of governance,...."
"it will become an immensely useful tool in the hands of a younger generation of Africans who desperately want to break with the “big man” tradition of the first generation of post-colonial leaders."
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Aku_pickin
Christmas Island
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Posted - 01 Nov 2006 : 02:15:01
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Quote from the the above article:
"It is very unlikely that Gambia’s president, Yahya Jammeh, re-elected last month to a third term with a 67 per cent majority, will ever win the Mo Ibrahim Prize for achievement in African leadership. He is a stereotypical African “big man” ruler, which is precisely what the prize seeks to eliminate.
...Almost half of Africa’s 53 heads of state have been in power for more than ten years, and fifteen of them have been in power for over fifteen years. At most, the Mo Ibrahim Prize can persuade only one of them each year to retire. But if the index by which the lucky one is chosen becomes a widely accepted measure of the quality of governance, it will become an immensely useful tool in the hands of a younger generation of Africans who desperately want to break with the “big man” tradition of the first generation of post-colonial leaders. Which is doubtless what Mo Ibrahim really has in mind."
An absolutely brilliant plan!!! African leader's hold on to power because there's not much else for them after leaving office. |
Justice must be served as impunity brings more repression and corruption! |
Edited by - Aku_pickin on 01 Nov 2006 02:17:05 |
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