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jambo
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 Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 19:53:08
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did i miss something hear, i am sure the white man went to africa and bought slaves |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 19:56:30
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Sister Omega a child is not excluded from school lightly. Believe me!
If a child is exculded it is usually for extreme and consistent violence towards other children or school staff. No head would turn a child away easily, there are procedures to go through.
Perhaps black little boys are struggling to take discipline at school because of a lack of father figure at home? Why boys and not girls? Girls still have their role model of the mother.
Now sister Omega will tell us all about her wonderful childern that she raised alone. Of course that is possible. I have several friends who have raised children without a father. But in general for boys it becomes an issue in teenage years if there isnt a man around. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 22:27:11
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For the record Gambiabev I have been a school Governor twice at one Primary school,one Secondary School, and Head of Parent and Teachers Association. I have also worked as a Teacher's Assistant and Special Support Worker. I also am a Teacher in Adult Education amongst other things. A lot of schools do exclude children illegally without going through proper exclusion procedures to prevent exclusions from being shown on the School League Tables. On 9th September there was a meeting held in London addressing the issue of Black boy exclusion attendees were approximately 6000.
As you are probably aware bev as you work with Special Needs for a child to get a Special Needs Statement in mainstream school can take years, and in my experience as a parent with a child with Special Needs it took me five years to get my child a Statement of Special Educational Needs.
The British National Curriculum is failing children because it is geared too much towards targets than holistic education. Therefore it doesn't take into considerstion the different learning styles of children and Teacher training doesn't take into consideration identifying children with Special Needs at the early stages in Key Stage 1. Therefore it would be better if all children were tested for Special needs at reception. So that support is put into place for children to get the appropriate assistant they need when entering mainstream school cutting down classroom disruption.
For the record Gambianbev, it is not just black boys who lack father figures at home the majority of white children grow up without father figures because 50% of marriages end in divorce in Britain. African and Ethnic Minorities make up 6% of the British population. White Boys from working class families are also being failed by the system as quoted to me by my children's Head Master. The system needs to be looked at again of cause where there is no positive cultural diversity imputs in predominantly cultural diverse areas children will get fatigued and bored about always learning about someone elses culture, if there aren't any positive reinforcements about their own culture. The system needs to be revised to tackle behavior issues which is impacting on British Society as a whole.
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 05 Oct 2006 00:14:56 |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 00:26:30
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Kisley I was being cynical when I used "lilly white" in reponse to Gambiabev who seems to paint a picture of Britain through rose tinted glasses. I'm just contrasting her view with the inner city areas which I and millions of others are more familar with. Kisley indeed right about how these phrases "Black spot" and "lilly white" are used within the English language where anything white is considered to be good and anything black is considered to bad.
Serenta thanks for sending in your article. I will read it soon.
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 05 Oct 2006 00:27:48 |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 08:17:23
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Sister I agree that white working class boys are being failed too.
Boys do need a father figure. It is unpopluar to say that, but as a teacher I really believe it. It doesnt need to be their natural father. It could be an uncle, a grandfather, a mentor. That is why traditional apprenticeships work well with some boys, because they get taken under the wing of an older man.
The curriculum can still be taught holistically if the teacher takes the time to plan that way. At my school we plan around themes. This terms theme is weather and whereever possible we link our teaching to this theme. This makes more sense to most children.
School and home need to work together. Children at primary age are in school from around 9 to 3.30 5 days a week, 39 weeks of the year. The rest of the time they are not at school, but in their families community. The family and the larger community need to take responsiblity for raising their children. An unruly 3 or 4 year old may not be too much of a problem or might even be seen as amusing, but up those behaviours on a 12 year old and its not so funny!
3 or 4 year olds kicking, hitting, biting and swearing..........where does all that anger come from? Where is the parenting? PLEASE dont tryto blame slavery!! LOL!!!! Or school culture!!! These children ARRIVE to school like that. School doesnt MAKE them like it!!!
It is true that many special needs children get overlooked and many have to wait a long time for diagnosis. Also even when diagnosed there isnt always the funds to deliver the education that would be appropriate for that child. This is very very sad. These children are being failed by the system.
That is why I am very fortunate to work in specialist provision that sees me teaching a class of 6 autistic children with two teaching assistants for support. 3:6 is a luxury that can't always be provided.
Sister Omega, once again I think we are on the same side. We both want the best for the young people of this country. I just dont see it as a colour issue, it is a class issue and a special needs issue.
For you everything seems to come down to colour. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 12:28:19
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| Racism is an extention of the class system and both of us were born in Britain Bev and both of us come from different roots. Bev you give your experiences of Britain from a white middle England perspective. I'm giving mine from a African British Urban perspective as the saying goes who feels it knows it. |
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 05 Oct 2006 12:35:57 |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 05 Oct 2006 : 13:13:17
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Sister Omega, I read Diane Abbott's article; it is shocking but brillant.
Though, one phrase made me think about how advanced UK is in comparison to Germany. Reading "This is not a new issue. As long ago as 1977 a House of Commons select committee on race relations and immigration reported that 'as a matter of urgency the Government should institute a high-level and independent inquiry into the causes of the underachievement of children of West Indian origin in maintained schools and the remedial action required'", I thought that in Germany at that time (1977) no one realized such problems, though, if my informations are right, even at this time the school situation for e.g. Turkish kids was not ok. Not as bad as it is today, but Germany even failed to notice that there was a problem. Now they make a big ado about what was to be seen decades ago.
But even if Britain took notice of black children's school problems, seemly like in Germany no action was taken.  Is it purely by chance that both countries have a tendency to segregate classes (and races), that in both countries parential income seems to determine the access to education? |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2006 : 08:01:04
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Sister I agree we have different live experiences. I was raised in a WORKING CLASS family. I went on to university, trained to teach,taught fro a while,got married, ran a business with my husband for 18 years, had 2 children and a MIDDLE CLASS life style in York. My children are now middle class from working class roots. They have the expectations of middle class children. Now I am divorced, my daughters are 16 and 21 and I am back doing the job I love after a big detour!!! LOL!!!!
I respect your experiences. I think we are both on the same side, just coming to it from a different place. I believe passionately in equality of opportunity in life and in free mobility through society.
A true deomcratic meritocracy with a strong state to give social care for those who cant compete in the system for whatever reasons.
(disability, mental health problems and so on). It is the correct balance between these two elements that creates a good and fair society.
USA is very meritocratic, but it doesnt care well for its weak and disenfranchised people.
I think in Uk the 'security system' has become a way of life for too many people. It is supposed to be a safety net for those that cant cope, not a life choice!!! 
It is a delicate balance to get right: to support those that need help at a certain time in their life, whilst motivating the majority to get out there and help themselves by working hard. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
813 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2006 : 10:36:09
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Originally posted by gambiabev
All the good things done by the President are cancelled out by the terrible, corrupt, undemocratic way he treats his own people. The use of the police and security services AGAINST their own people is despicable. The imprisonment and torture of people without trial is terrible.
No amount of roads and building makes up for that fundamental flaw.
gambiabev,
I hope you have experienced what you are talking about. You do not know Gambians very well. Thay can come up with lies especially the so called journalists. I suggest you observe because you have not been attacked by any government official. We the Gambians have our people back at home and would not allow anybody to call them ignorant. You being a British would not allow people to comment on British politics and calling namesif they have not experienced it. I have observed that you listen to too much of lies coming from the opposition of Gambians in the diaspora and try to use it. This is wrong. Hence you have not been affected you do not need to come with negative comments. The Gambian voters are capable enough to choose who so ever they feel is fit for the job. Not what you or gambians in the diaspora choose. I surpose all Gambians are welcomed to go home and register as voters or appeal to the IEC in Gambia to extend voting to them in diaspora , but there is no intrest. This point you know nothing about. Keep it cool. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2006 : 11:07:20
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Gambiabev I think that most people would agree with you about welfare benefits unfortunately institutional racism plays its role in stopping social mobility ocurring in African and Asian Diaspora communities. Equal Opportunities are very important in theory but useless if they aren't implementated. For example if a Headmaster has a vacancy in his school he can just stick the add on a noticeboard in the school's Hall and give the job in-house to someone he already has in mind. Or if an advertisement goes into a newspaper the closing date for applications can be within less than five working days. There are subtle ways of getting round Equal Oppportunity laws. Here are some statistica which you my find useful. http://www.cre.gov.uk/research/statistics_labour.html |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 06 Oct 2006 : 11:38:50
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| To pick up on Gambiabev quote posted in by Alhassan can't the same quote apply to Blair and Bush too? |
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Atahualpa
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Posted - 06 Oct 2006 : 12:56:28
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Originally posted by Alhassan
gambiabev,
I hope you have experienced what you are talking about. You do not know Gambians very well. Thay can come up with lies especially the so called journalists. I suggest you observe because you have not been attacked by any government official. We the Gambians have our people back at home and would not allow anybody to call them ignorant. You being a British would not allow people to comment on British politics and calling namesif they have not experienced it. I have observed that you listen to too much of lies coming from the opposition of Gambians in the diaspora and try to use it. This is wrong. Hence you have not been affected you do not need to come with negative comments. The Gambian voters are capable enough to choose who so ever they feel is fit for the job. Not what you or gambians in the diaspora choose. I surpose all Gambians are welcomed to go home and register as voters or appeal to the IEC in Gambia to extend voting to them in diaspora , but there is no intrest. This point you know nothing about. Keep it cool.
Alhassan, I experienced it, and it is like Bev said. People in Gambia are afraid to say what they are thinking. They lower their voices and take care that nobody overhears them when they say something critical about the government. This behavior reminds me of Franco Spain. I don't know how you would call it. I call it terror, and after all international standards it is nothing but that. I don't think organizations like ai or rsf waste their time on 'opposition lies'. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 06 Oct 2006 : 13:28:48
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No not the case quite the contrary,In the Gambia,people are still free to spe their minds openly.I don't agree that people aren't free to excercise their freedom of spe.We enjoy freedom of spe.
Has Dr. Jammeh ever stops anyone from exercising his/her right to express their feelings about anything affecting their lives?I don't think so.Still now there are very strong oponents of the regime walking freely in the streets of banjul and environs.Infact most of those you can call political prisoners now in jail,are all former members of the APRC.
If you say some state agents trying to gain the big man's favours do here and there go off hand,yes ut there is freedom of spe.
Don't think I have changed sides,no Iam only a democrat.I only criticise where it is due but when the truth comes lets say it. |
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Alhassan
Sweden
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Posted - 06 Oct 2006 : 14:25:09
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Originally posted by Atahualpa
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Originally posted by Alhassan
gambiabev,
I hope you have experienced what you are talking about. You do not know Gambians very well. Thay can come up with lies especially the so called journalists. I suggest you observe because you have not been attacked by any government official. We the Gambians have our people back at home and would not allow anybody to call them ignorant. You being a British would not allow people to comment on British politics and calling namesif they have not experienced it. I have observed that you listen to too much of lies coming from the opposition of Gambians in the diaspora and try to use it. This is wrong. Hence you have not been affected you do not need to come with negative comments. The Gambian voters are capable enough to choose who so ever they feel is fit for the job. Not what you or gambians in the diaspora choose. I surpose all Gambians are welcomed to go home and register as voters or appeal to the IEC in Gambia to extend voting to them in diaspora , but there is no intrest. This point you know nothing about. Keep it cool.
Alhassan, I experienced it, and it is like Bev said. People in Gambia are afraid to say what they are thinking. They lower their voices and take care that nobody overhears them when they say something critical about the government. This behavior reminds me of Franco Spain. I don't know how you would call it. I call it terror, and after all international standards it is nothing but that. I don't think organizations like ai or rsf waste their time on 'opposition lies'.
Who are you? Are you the same as gambiave? |
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