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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 01 Oct 2006 : 17:12:21
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Ebra, perhaps you are the racist, not me. As it is you that resorts to name calling, not me.
I have been warned that on bantaba there are some spies for the Gambian government and I should be careful what I say?  
Perhaps you are trying to incite me to return such racist name calling? I have never used the N word and never would. To me, people are people. I take them as I find them. Some good and some bad everywhere I go. Resorting to insults in an discussion is pathetic and immature.
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about Uk white people. That is like me hating all upper class white people because their wealth is built on the toil of my great great grandparents working on their land or in their factories.
WHO got rich out of slavery? It wasnt the ordinary white people. 90% plus of the white population was poor and worked in poor conditions, working long hours.
If you want to insult someone, insult the landed gentry of the uk who made their money from slavery. The ordinary white person is innocent. We should be on the same side. Trying to improve the lot of the ordinary person whatever country they are in and whatever colour or religion they have. |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 00:08:30
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| I stand for the truth so if it bothers you, I really don't care. I never ever spy for any human being and my lord knows best. My point is when it is time to be truthful, it does not matter who it touches. I had been critical to both Jammeh government and the oppositions. Some were even skeptical here about which party I support. I belong to the party of truth, and if you think I am a spy, then am sorry I can't help that. I am an ordinary person like you expressing my views and never work for the government. |
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Ebra
Gambia
268 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 01:33:07
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| Having president Jammeh's face as my avatar has nothing to do with my feelings. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 02:47:00
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Guys and doll! With these views its hard to DEFINE CORRUPTION, UNDERSTAND WHERE TO DRAW A LINE and ACCEPT ITS SUITABILITY?
In my opinion GAMBIAN SOCIETY is very complex and even more complicated than the FEDERAL STATES OF NIGERIA where there is ABUNDANCE OF NATURAL RESOURCES and lots of political PROBLEMS!
Having said that which direction is the GAMBIA heading to from these arguments which appears to SUBSCRIBED MORE ON LACK OF PUBLIC ACCOUNTABILITY AND TRANSPARENCY, to grant its LEADER a carte blanc (OPEN CHEQUE) to do whatever is deemed necessary by the LEADER without any regard to societys' interests. Is a STATE a PRIVATE PROPERTY owm by an INDIVIDUAL or a NATIONAL SOVEREIGNTY own by ITS CITIZENS and common peoples? Are you saying we should allow its LEADER to do whatever it wants to do with the country and 2 all gambians?
Can't understand certain views expressed under the topic! However its part of DIVERSE OPINIONS and APPRECIATED! |
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 12:25:54
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Originally posted by gambiabev
You seem to have a chip on your shoulder about Uk white people. That is like me hating all upper class white people because their wealth is built on the toil of my great great grandparents working on their land or in their factories.
WHO got rich out of slavery? It wasnt the ordinary white people. 90% plus of the white population was poor and worked in poor conditions, working long hours.
If you want to insult someone, insult the landed gentry of the uk who made their money from slavery. The ordinary white person is innocent. We should be on the same side. Trying to improve the lot of the ordinary person whatever country they are in and whatever colour or religion they have.
This is true. And, besides the fact that slavery is still continued in Africa, many Africans are surprised when told that Europe had a slavery system over centuries, where white people - the aristocracy - had other whites as 'bondsmen/-women', which means nothing but slaves.
Up to this day parts of the old high nobility are very wealthy in Europe. In UK they seem to be most influential - just take the fact that they still have their own parliamentary section. I know some excellent people from this class, people who realize that to be privileged means social responsibility; that's why I do not want to condemn the aristocracy as a whole. But I also know that many members of this 'ethnicity' still cling to the world view of the pre-revolutionary 18th century. These people benefitted most from slavery, as later the bourgeois upper class from the slavery-like conditions of the early industrial era.
But unfortunately the history of the Americas show that have-nots, given the opportunity, can turn very quickly into slavedrivers and exploiters... |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 17:59:24
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My great grandparents lived on a land estate in Leicestershire and worked for the owners. There house was owned by their boss and there work was tied to having the property. When my grandmas brother was born the lady of the house even chose his name!!! I dont think that is much different to slavery!
People in factories worked such long hours in awful conditions that they were all but slaves.
The unionisation of workers improved things gradually. That is why I have hope for the Gambia. If people unite and stand firm together they can improve things too. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 19:02:51
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| Of course there is HOPE for GAMBIANS. All these exchanges will gradually address the ISSUES AND POLITICAL PROBLEMS as in any developing country! |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 19:21:00
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Originally posted by kobo
Of course there is HOPE for GAMBIANS. All these exchanges will gradually address the ISSUES AND POLITICAL PROBLEMS as in any developing country!
Kobo
You think people are reading these exchanges? No. Its only Bantaba memebers who are reading them and unfortunately, those who can make decisons or in positions of influence are too busy "developing" the country. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 19:28:06
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There are people developing but there are other unproductive AGENTS always encouraging INSTABILITY by doing DIRTY JOBS also!
Even if Bantaba members are the readers they are Gambians and know whats going on? We have negatives that we should worry about to STABILISE THE NATION for PEACE, Progress and DEVELOPMENT.
God bless the Gambia! |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 02 Oct 2006 : 19:36:06
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| Bantaba members dont matter as far as policy is concerned. Call it an ATTAYA VOUS if you would like. May be like the mandinka saying: FALLI YEH FUSI FRANCE(It means: a donkey that farts in France, can't send its smell to us. So in other words, who cares if a donkey farts in France, because it has no impact. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 03 Oct 2006 : 01:43:02
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| Its helps to develop potentials for new generation, future role models and good leaders. No worries its our HOUSE OF PARLIAMENT! |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 15:01:24
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Greetings Everyone
Gambiabev did your family members get sold away from each other? Get hit with cat& nine tails ahorse with with nine wipes per lash, get stretched and have all their limbs broken to be left to die until their corpse became the home for wasps nests, or preganant nearly full term women whipped until they went into labour and their babies were cut out of their wombs and they were left to die hanging? Did old people get whipped because they couldn't pick cotton , or chop can as fast as young peoplw, or were your people forced to wear contrapions on their heads so they couldn't lie down to sleep because they bit some sugarcane? Yes I could be writing so much more but I would be writing for hundreds of years to recall atroscities. Someone naming another persons child is one thing but systematically breaking up families in the process of selection as with animals and plants is something completely different.
Serenta yes you are correct about how the British treated each other they knew nothing of Human Rights ironically it was Africans and others who taught them about the concept. How could a race of people treat others with humanity when they didn't even practice it amongst themselves.
Gambiabev the picture of Britain you give to us is ao lily white a virtuous place where democracy reigns supreme. Yeah Right! Come to the Inner cities where money targetted by government for regeneration always seems to land into the hands of the white middle classes. Where unemployment is disapportionately higher amongst the African Diaspora and Asian communities. Where African children particularly boys are being excluded from school from age 5. Where the streets are being flooded by guns, supplied and sold by white people for black youth to kill themselves with.Where unemployment is disapportionately higher than the national average amongst African Diaspora, so is the prison population and Mental Health Services. And then tell us that Britain is a true democracy!
Kondorong, what do you place your policy conclusion on? If you look over past debates we've had here on the bantabaa you would be amazed how many ideas and suggestions have been lifted from the Bantabaa over the years to asssist in policy formulation.
Peace Sister Omega
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 16:59:39
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Kondorong, what is wrong about an attaya club? (Wish I had a good glass of attaya now...) The Bantaba contributes to opinion making, and this is an important matter. I learned a lot here. Maybe at the moment our (political) opinions are as relevant as the famous sack of rice falling down in China, but who knows what will be in the future?
Sister Omega, not only the British treated each other bad. Torture of the worst kind was common in whole medieval Europe, and it was practised up to the 19th century. What the Whites did to their black brothers and sisters was a consequential effect of a brutalization that went on for centuries. Just read the first few pages of Michel Foucault's 'Discipline And Punish' (1975), and you will know what I mean.
But I think that not only the Whites are sadistic; other cultures can easily keep up with them. I suspect it is a problem of the so-called advanced civilisations... |
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kisley
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 19:13:05
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you know what really struck me about this whole conversation, "gambiabevs" use of the phrase "black spot" to describe something negative, and "sister omegas use of the word "lilly white" to describe something positive.
Poor Gambiabev you always seem to take the brunt of peoples anger when they want to raise issues about the atrocities of the "white man". you would think it was bev who had personally enslaved and tortured Africans.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 04 Oct 2006 : 19:48:21
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Kisley Sister Omega often patronises me, I am getting used to it.
It is white peoples fault that black kids get involved with drugs and gun each other down. Now I have heard it all!!!! How about blaming the west indian culture of men fathering babies and then leaving the mothers, so teenage boys are left fatherless and without a role model. It's one thing raising a baby alone, or a young child, but teeenage boys NEED a father figure. Otherwise they start to think they are the one in control and gang life looks very attractive.
I want to make it clear I am anti slavery of any kind, today or yesterday. BUT it is not my fault and I refuse to take personal responsiblity. I am from a working class family that didnt directly profit from slavery at all and their lives were filled with drudgery. Ok nowhere near as bad as a slaves life, but not a truely free life either.They were born in poverty and died in poverty. In between they had children and worked hard.Now we have NHS and education and plenty of food and work. Times have changed for england and I was trying to illustrate that can give us hope for things changing in Gambia too.I think life in the last 50 years in Britain has changed beyond all recognition, alot for the better and some for the worse.
It seems whatever I write Sister Omega wants to twist it and ut me in a bad light.
By the way, I am very proud to be english. I love my country. That doesnt make me racist. People from all over the world like the uk.
If you live in an inner city area like my mother and brother I appreciate your experiences will be different to mine in North Yorkshire. I work in Castleford, which is 20 mins down the road, but a very different landscape.
The labour government has done lots in these areas to develop nurseries and parenting groups, targeting money to make a difference. I can see where money has been spent near my local school. Only time will tell if it makes a difference. |
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