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Bronx
USA
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 Posted - 20 Aug 2006 : 16:51:58
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Kobo,
If Halifa can work to get a flawed document such as the 1997 constitution passed using the following excuse:
"In my view, I had lived with those flaws under the 1970 constitution. Hence, if I could get a constitution with more advanced provisions to the 1970 Constitution with the same flaws all the better."....Halifa.
Why in the world can't he massage his ego and join a party led alliance for change. If he is not interested in position, as you folks will like us to believe, what is stopping him from joining a bigger alliance by all estimates. Halifa got elected to parliment because the UDP boycotted the elections the first time and supported his candidacy the second time around. I submit to you that with the way things stand today he will be defeated in the serrekunda parlimentary seat come 2007. The UDP/NRP will contest the seat, it will be a three race and Halifa will be losing that seat as well. That will be the legacy of his NADD intransigence. He can compromised with the devilish yahya on the constitution but want to bluff others on an alliance. It ain't happening.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20 Aug 2006 : 17:19:57
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Kobo, when the constitution was going through all the processes and procedures you have in mind, there was a complete ban on all political activities. No one was allowed to say anything for or against the document. Halifa and Co were the only ones talking not because they were brave but because they were touring the lines of the junta. They compromised national interest to serve as a stooge for the Junta. They thought Jammeh would not stand election and that that would make PDOIS the only credible alternative. This was never to happen thanks to the emergence of the UDP. This is the beef Halifa have with the UDP and that is why he is determined not to see a broad UDP party led alliance. I personally heard him over Radio 1 Fm in 2001 Saying: ' when all the first republican parties were banned by Decree 89, those people did not come and join PDOIS instead they created UDP and because of that he was not interested in a coalition with them'. This is still his stand. Any explanation short of this is deceitful.
Thanks for your thoughts
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Jangjang
Austria
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Posted - 20 Aug 2006 : 20:08:57
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| Can I ask you interlectual prostitudes supporting UDP/NRP. Why did Darboe and co sign the MOU after knowing that Halifa is not ready to form an allaince with UDP? May be your silent lawyer didnot understand the meaning of what he was signing or may be he made a mistake. The best thing about Halifa is that we always know were he stands, but for Darboe he is a silent politician, just believe in me. Halifa told us to vote for democracy, or stay with AFPRC with degrees. Where was your silent politician then? He was not banned.Hiding at home with his family. You people are just trying to divert us from the blunder caused by Darboe by running away from NADD MOU he agreed to and signed. We dont need chicken hearted politicians at this time, who do not keep their promises. I pity UDP supporters because Darboe will run again and hide after this coming elections, and you will be stranded with jammeh's soldiers. |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 00:40:51
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In all these conversation, I did not hear one person mention what was Darboe and Hamat Bah's role in drafting a National document. Where were the law experts when the constitution was being drafted? Who is willing to sacrifice for better Gambia?
Bronx, Nyarikanbanna your arguements are flawed. Bronx, the 1997 constitution as a whole is not flawed. If you think so because of few clause that were changed, then am sorry you are blinded by inperfection and there is nothing we can do for you since there is nothing that is perfect not even yourself.
Brother Nayrikanbanna, you position for advocating party led alliance is weak and does not hold water. Many of us including Halifa has explicitly explain that if UDP think they are the majority party and wants a party led alliance, then let them make the case. If you cannot make your own case, for goodness sake no one can make it for you.
It has been explained over and over that UDP could have and should make a strong case for party alliance and be willing to concede to the smaller parties for joining them. They can call for party led alliance and invite a government of NATIONAL UNITY. Who would have a problem with that No one. How comes UDP/NRP cannot drafted a NATIONAL UNITY document that will rally people behind their party ideology? This is where UDP/NRP supporters need to blow their heads off for coming up with six (6)points to rally a country instead of a sophisticated proposal that can win the support of the people. If you cannot do this, then am sorry, you don't derve national recognition regardless of where you drive your votes.
The smelling fact is that UDP and Darboe want to consolidate power in whatever form without due regards to other political contributors in the Gambia. This is the only position we can see in UDP/NRP agenda. This is a very SELFISH position and it is the fundamental reason for lack of unity among the oppositon. Let me ask you one more time, are you guys interested in National unity and dialogue or are you still held hostage by your majority ideology? Are you interested in unitying Gambians or dividing us?
Gambians want someone who can unite us around a single platform. We want to be a part of anything that will bring progress to our country. What we cannot understand is that out of 1.5 milllion people there is only one candidate that can do this. Without him no one else can. Is this your line of arguement that without Darboe No one else can? If this is not your arguement, then how comes UDP is not willing to look beyond one man? UDP/NRP your position is flawed and it breeds hostility and not reconcialiation. Gambia is bigger and better than a single party ideology. You all know this and you are only making flemsy excuses with a dream that will never come true.
Peace.. |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 08:05:03
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jangjang, thanks for your insults and may God reward you.
Baldeh, the Man was invited for talks and he out rightly [impliedly] rejected it. If your assertion represents his stand and he is interested in dialogue and compromise, what stopped him from accepting the offer for talks? All these things could have been extensively debated and may be a compromise could have been reached. All the counter proposals Halifa was making in the media are completely otiose. You don't run a country from a bantaba and that is why Halifa would never be engaged in the media. He should have come to the table with all his thoughts and let there be a constructive debate.
Thanks for your thoughts
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 08:20:23
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Baldeh, just to add, the proposals you referred to were only setting the agendas for the talks Halifa was invited to attend. So there was no point rejecting them through a letter. What he should have done was to go to the meeting and ask the drafters to give comprehensive explanation. If he likes it fine . IF he doesn't then he can ask for either an amendment or a replacement by his own proposals. Should there still be a deadlock, then we can say; they have all pull their weights but it is just not possible. To prejudge your potential ally before hearing him in full is just out of order. Well, that is what Halifa have done.
I guess there is no point going about this debate because that Halifa is determined to be a spoiler. Let him go on. I rest my case.
Thanks for your thoughts.
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taalibeh
Gambia
336 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 15:04:04
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Baldeh, just to add, the proposals you referred to were only setting the agendas for the talks Halifa was invited to attend. So there was no point rejecting them through a letter. What he should have done was to go to the meeting and ask the drafters to give comprehensive explanation. If he likes it fine . IF he doesn't then he can ask for either an amendment or a replacement by his own proposals. Should there still be a deadlock, then we can say; they have all pull their weights but it is just not possible. To prejudge your potential ally before hearing him in full is just out of order. Well, that is what Halifa have done.
I guess there is no point going about this debate because that Halifa is determined to be a spoiler. Let him go on. I rest my case.
Thanks for your thoughts.
Bro, I have been following your arguements about Halifa for some time and I think you are very disingeneious in your assessements about him. The man is more credible than you tend to portray him.
Halifa is a professional politician and no body should expect him to sleep work into an agreement without evaluating it properly to fit his political standard. I think Darboe and Bah are at fault here for betraying their colleagues. They should have properly scrutinised the MOU before signing it. Darboe in parlicular should have been more prudent as a legal practioner. He has been reckless in my opinion, and I do not want another Jammeh in the State house. Consistency is very important in every individual. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 15:42:56
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Thanks Taalibeh. Am about to finalise counter rebuttal of Pa Saikou Kujabi's false allegations to discredit a humble politician who sacrificed to choose civic education and politics for better Gambia and who does n't care whether it passed on deaf ears or not; who is very explicit in justice, humna rights, democracy and constitutional issues; who stands for advocacy of independence and not enslavement, social justice or empowerment of the masses and proper education and orientation of the nation.
However its part of freedom of spedech and exprssions and any constructive critisms and good political programs are welcome for the way forward. Halifa, Darboe, Hamat and His Excellency Yaya Jammeh don't own Gambia in the spirit of patriotism and national development.
The next postings to follow would deal with Pa Saikou Kujabi to exposed his article as lacking merit but full of LIES! LIES!LIES! |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 16:53:27
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Talibeeh Serign Fallou, thanks for your sweeping statement. I am inclined to say that it is completely devoid of merit for you have not substantiated your allegation. I refused to be carried away by crude logics, rhetoric and deceit and I shall continue doing so.
Thanks for you thoughts
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taalibeh
Gambia
336 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 17:02:54
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Kobo, when the constitution was going through all the processes and procedures you have in mind, there was a complete ban on all political activities. No one was allowed to say anything for or against the document. Halifa and Co were the only ones talking not because they were brave but because they were touring the lines of the junta. They compromised national interest to serve as a stooge for the Junta. They thought Jammeh would not stand election and that that would make PDOIS the only credible alternative. This was never to happen thanks to the emergence of the UDP. This is the beef Halifa have with the UDP and that is why he is determined not to see a broad UDP party led alliance. I personally heard him over Radio 1 Fm in 2001 Saying: ' when all the first republican parties were banned by Decree 89, those people did not come and join PDOIS instead they created UDP and because of that he was not interested in a coalition with them'. This is still his stand. Any explanation short of this is deceitful.
Thanks for your thoughts
This is obviously not a genuine critisism. Thank God that we all lived through those periods and appreciated Halifa's contributions in promoting and protecting peace in the Gambia. We can sagregate falsehood and the truth. Obviously we do not expect everyone to agree with Halifa. |
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taalibeh
Gambia
336 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 17:06:15
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
Talibeeh Serign Fallou, thanks for your sweeping statement. I am inclined to say that it is completely devoid of merit for you have not substantiated your allegation. I refused to be carried away by crude logics, rhetoric and deceit and I shall continue doing so.
Thanks for you thoughts
Oh yes. That is your God given right and no one has any moral authority to deny it. Please carry on and do not be over emotional. People will disagree with you in the same way as you disagree with Hon. Halifa. |
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taalibeh
Gambia
336 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 17:12:54
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Originally posted by Jangjang
Can I ask you interlectual prostitudes supporting UDP/NRP. Why did Darboe and co sign the MOU after knowing that Halifa is not ready to form an allaince with UDP? May be your silent lawyer didnot understand the meaning of what he was signing or may be he made a mistake. The best thing about Halifa is that we always know were he stands, but for Darboe he is a silent politician, just believe in me. Halifa told us to vote for democracy, or stay with AFPRC with degrees. Where was your silent politician then? He was not banned.Hiding at home with his family. You people are just trying to divert us from the blunder caused by Darboe by running away from NADD MOU he agreed to and signed. We dont need chicken hearted politicians at this time, who do not keep their promises. I pity UDP supporters because Darboe will run again and hide after this coming elections, and you will be stranded with jammeh's soldiers.
OOps. Someone has drunk Kondorong's magic water. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 17:22:37
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Thats nice Taalibeh. Its just to be reasonable and appreciate contructive critisms, be nice to each other or command mutual respect rather than dictate terms for others or condition them to accept them at all cost. We need a flexible approach to issues and calling upon UDP/NRP alliance, its leaders and supporters to expand further the boundaries and outreach others with open arms to sort out the political mess before its too late. Don't hate Halifa for his weaknesses. Give him chance to exploit his potentials as he has strenghts and weaknesses. If he could be convince to work with Darboe, Hamat for the common good, I trust thats better than sideling him or to despise him as a criminal. Even criminals are given chance to rehabilitate.
WHAT DO YOU FROM HALIFA? TO BE ELIMINATED, ISOLATED, DIE, DISAPPEAR AND LEAVE POLITICS? Guys leave him alone as your arguments have no merits. Guide him on his shortcomings and give him another chance. Its becoming too personal and extreme views on few political issues and even less important than the fast approaching elections 2006 on which we are brainstorming on proper strategies to encourage all opportion parties to form a National alliance and work together. |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 18:00:06
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Nyarikangbanna, my respect to you for standing up. However, some one with your intellectual command should argue with a merit. Your arguement for NADD and UDP to get to the table is very esposing of you standing nicked.
Who walked away from the negotiation table and refuse to return despite all calls from every corner of the world? How can any fair minded and reasonable politician stalled negotiations for several months only to wait for last minute negotiations?
Again, I have a lot of respect for you, but you should desist from argueing for nothing. Politics is funny and sometimes one can look reality rediculous arguing the same baseless points. Can you go back and read Halifa's response again and quote for us where he shut down the negotiation? Come on, politics is one thing but carrying ourselves with credibility and respect is a recipe for success. We have all exosted our individual positions and we honesty all know who is who and what. It is time to map out the way forward after the verdict because the election is a done deal.
Peace |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 21 Aug 2006 : 20:28:19
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Baldehbanna, thanks for your posting. I also have great respect for you even though we defer in opinion. Notwithstanding this, I do not think you are right to say UDP/NRP walked away from the Table. They were forced to leave and I respect their decision to leave. If I were in a similar situation I would have done the same.
You failed to mention the factors that necessitated their departure. I am not going to go back to what I said before in the Allgambian.net but make no mistake, I standby every single word I said therein.
This debate is now exhausted. Halifa is going to stand because he is determined to be the spoiler he wants to be. That is the reality we got to live with.
Thanks for your thoughts.
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