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Prince
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 Posted - 14 Nov 2011 : 19:18:45
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It is always amazes me when these menopausal women complain about their "marriages."
Dunno what convinces them that marriages with persons who are the age of their grandchildren are going to last given the huge age, cultural and economic differences.
This woman, and most allegedly rich-menopausal-women who import exotic husbands are not victims. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out who hold power in these kind of relationshits. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14 Nov 2011 : 23:11:09
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Yes, I agree with Green that the laws should be changed regarding leave to remain in the UK to be extended to 5 years instead of two. However within the 5 year period targets should be set. So that the tax payer doesn't support either the UK Spouse thus indirectly the new spouse. If the marriage fails within the five year period. Then the immigrant Spouse who came to join their partner initially should return back to the country they left to join their Spouse.
As Britain and other Western countries tighten their immigration loopholes marriage seems the one of the only loopholes left for people to exploit and in doing so many people are left with shattered lives. Desperate people wanting to escape poverty and to support their families will turn to these measures. Let's face it the International Tourist trade Bonanza has fewer risks of failing for those people wanting to seek their fortune abroad. Where there are children involved then the children will have a right to stay with their parent in the country of their birth or return to their immigrant parents country. The estranged parents should be granted visitation and contact.
Tight rules will curtail further abuse of the system or alternative lets just open the borders and facilitate migration and immigration that way assisting the redistribution of wealth. Controversial I know but worth looking into.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Nov 2011 : 00:22:33
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Thanks,for your thoughts about additional safeguards,most sensible,but a bit too strict for politicians to vote in, who will police this? I am sure local councils won't be able to pay for additional staff if it's down to Social services.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Nov 2011 : 00:30:16
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I did notice your typo Prince 
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Originally posted by Prince
It is always amazes me when these menopausal women complain about their "marriages."
Dunno what convinces them that marriages with persons who are the age of their grandchildren are going to last given the huge age, cultural and economic differences.
This woman, and most allegedly rich-menopausal-women who import exotic husbands are not victims. It does not take a rocket scientist to figure out who hold power in these kind of relationshits.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Nov 2011 : 00:55:13
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Immigration would police it. The plan would be begin at the British High Commission when the spouse gets granted their two year visa instead of two years it would be stamped 5 years. The conditions would be changed with no recourse yo public funds as there is now. Therefore internally when producing ID then would be policed throughout the system. Because when the any Authority wants to see ID a passport is shown. So all around efficiency savings would be made. This will also stop the costs on Social Services because Spouses will be encouraged to stay in their marriages rather than leaving them prematurely because of the threat of deportation. It will send out a message that bogus marriages are neither sustainable or viable strategies to come the west, and make those intended to take that route especially when they have to be earning at £20,000 to get their leave to remain on a spousal visa for at least two consecutive years. This will soon weed out bogus marriages.
This may seem harsh but it will help more people take responsibility in developing their own countries and creating jobs there. Instead of grooming generations of youth to hassle tourist with the end game in mind. To marry them get a job send the resources back home dump the spouse and move on. In reality a lot of the immigrants are working in low paid jobs working long hours and living in poor housing. They also have difficulties finding work in the formal sector and now with the recession are really feeling the economic pinch. Marriages need to be looked at again.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Nov 2011 : 01:03:37
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| Great and constructive post Sister O ,but in your opinion will such sensible ideas ever be implemented ? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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snuggels
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Posted - 15 Nov 2011 : 07:59:55
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| Sister Omega I fully endorse your thoughts I would also add that until they have also worked in the UK for 5 years they cant claim any state hand outs in any form Saving the UK tax payer Millions |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 15 Nov 2011 : 08:07:56
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Originally posted by snuggels
Snuggles, perhaps the foreigners wouldn't have come there if the Brits didn't go to them first. Remember the British Empire?
 Here we go again Time and time again blame the Britsh Empire Its time to move on. Parts of a legacy brits are not proud of. That was then lets live in todays world
We will keep on reminding you about the British Empire as long as you keep on grumbling about former subjects wanting to come UK for good life. |
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snuggels
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Posted - 15 Nov 2011 : 12:00:23
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I’m not going to get into a slanging match with you But be realistic The British Empire was one of the biggest in the world we just cant say thats fine let them come.
As I said that was then now is now the real world today we are a small country bursting at the seems and have big social problems because of our generosity to foreigners that’s why they prefer to come to the UK
So yes tighten up the rules to let ANYONE in not just the parasites
who come here to exploit the British tax payer through sham marriages?
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Nov 2011 : 12:24:37
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Momodou, you know that snuggles has a valid point,and the pity is that we just cannot pay for everybody to enjoy a very much better standard of living than they have at home.At the present time there are VERY FEW jobs in the UK due mainly to the financial meltdown and the way the EU has functioned in the past. The safety net for those who have fallen on hard times or are handicapped in some way is just about adequate but not comfortable,this is funded by people in work,yes, the taxpayers there are Brits who take advantage of benefits because they are just too idle to work and pay taxes,simply because they are able to abuse the system and join the underground economy of cash in hand for work done,no tax to pay that way and by making false declarations obtain benefits.Today is NOW not the past.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 15 Nov 2011 : 13:08:59
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It's easy to blame others. Now you are all on the defensive.  The past is what brought prosperity to some today and misery to others. |
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snuggels
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Posted - 15 Nov 2011 : 13:30:08
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Im not blaming others Im stateing facts As I said there are aspects of the British Empire that us brits looking back can not be proud of.
That was then now is now Lets sort the problems in todays world |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Nov 2011 : 13:38:23
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"The past is what brought prosperity to some today and misery to others."
Yes, you are right,but to me it is obvious that you cannot expect those alive today who live in countries that were previously colonial powers to have a complete open door policy and invite EVERYONE from any country that was colonised and not developed to come and live in a country that has developed due to the industriousness of its people and its way of life,the days of take take and give give are gone.
"Now you are all on the defensive" you are of course referring to snuggles and myself, Momodou , because we are probably the only non Africans still posting here just think for a moment about MOST of Africa today,does the progress that Africa has made since the colonial powers have left make you proud ? has it prevented its citizens from trying by all possible means to become economic migrants to western countries ? maybe it does,I am not you, so I cannot comment can I?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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sab
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Nov 2011 : 15:32:01
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Just a reminder to Sister Omega's quote - quote:
Where there are children involved then the children will have a right to stay with their parent in the country of their birth or return to their immigrant parents country. The estranged parents should be granted visitation and contact.
http://www.voice-online.co.uk/content.php?show=19214
DEPORTED AFRICAN fathers could be reunited with their children born in the European Union, following a landmark European Court of Justice (ECJ) ruling last week.
It went on to state it was also a breach of EU law to refuse to grant “a work permit to that third country national, in so far as such decisions deprive those children of the genuine enjoyment of the substance of the rights attaching to the status of (a) European Union citizen.”
Hi Toubab, quote:
because we are probably the only non Africans still posting here
My skin is shaded pink! Interesting but somewhat biased debate, too much emphasis put on the African immigrant causing financial problems in the UK and not one word about the Eastern Europeans, who have caused our Police Force, schools and National Health Service etc.,to engage in interpretors, not to mention the housing situation.
Plus Child Benefit is sent via our government to the Eastern European home of the workers.
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The world would be a poorer place if it was peopled by children whose parents risked nothing in the cause of social justice, for fear of personal loss. (Joe Slovo - African revolutionary) |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 15 Nov 2011 : 15:44:18
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Foreign marriages,have a read of this ,quite interesting I thought.
http://etrecycler.blogspot.com/
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Republic of South Sudan [RoSS] is abuzz because an Ethiopian “refugee” married President Salva Kiir Mayardit’s eldest daughter Adut. Editor of a local paper is now in jail for writing an opinion page critical of the President for being less than patriotic. Patriotic is a loaded word. According to the editor Adut’s hand could only have been given to a native, not a foreigner. Other writers chimed in with threats and a salacious rumor that Adut is impregnated. Some are angry at the church for officiating marriage of unequals and when the holy matrimony was already violated and consummated. This must be the first in the history of Sudan or Ethiopia, eh? |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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