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toubab1020
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 Posted - 06 Oct 2010 : 22:34:15
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| Turk,thanks for that posting,I had not realised that there were "two sorts of Arabs" I had assumed that there was only one Arab brotherhood and a confined culture encompassing all Arabs.From that which you describe it appears to be akin to the feudal system that existed in Europe in the period here known as the middle ages,would that be correct ? The homosexuality mention is known but not talked about here much,just accepted as a cultural thing.I note that you write"The elite in Saudi Arabia are very liberal and secular and most of them do not even believe in Islam." That has stopped me asking you to clarify more. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
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Posted - 06 Oct 2010 : 22:56:37
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Arabs are nomadic people. The feudal system still exist in Arabian peninsula. The common language is Arabic but many places in Arabic speaking world today, there are different people culturally and socio economically. For example, Morroco, Algeria, Tunisia are all heavily influenced by Berber which are the indigenous of land. Obviously superior language Arabic language and influence of Islam change these countries but they are significantly different from the Arabs in Arabian peninsula. For example, they are mostly Maliki, which is very close to Senegalese and Gambian Muslims but different from the Saudi Arabia (Halefi) when it comes to Islam. Even their language is different when they speak, I can even catch the differences in language when I listen to them. Egypt is unique and different too. They are mostly influenced by Africans particularly Nubians. For example, FGM in Egypt common unlike other Arabic speaking countries in Syria, Iraq, former Egyptian president Sadat was African.
Syria, Iraq, Lebanon are the superior Arabs on everything. They are very good in trade, culturally they are advance, the way they speak Arabic, I would say how the aristocrats in UK speak English. They are not anthropologically Arab either. They are mostly Palestinians, Durzi, Assyrian, Armenian and Greeks. They have been always economically rich, prosperous and elite.
The Arabs of Saudi Arabia got lucky with the oil. But the oil money only belongs to a few tribes. They are the original Arabs but intellectually, socio-economically much worse than other Arabic speaking countries. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 00:47:21
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turk, you surprise me sometimes ,you are obviously very well educated (or you have worked very hard searching the www to get your information  )very enlightening it is good to learn something new every day (even though it may not be simple  )
Thank you for improving my understanding of the Arab world. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 01:58:10
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| thanks for the compliment. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 03:48:16
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Love story...
Love story? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 07 Oct 2010 03:50:13 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 12:12:01
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turk,perhaps I should have learned hebrew  ,an odd choice of newspaper to choose to run a story from England,the English press may not give a true account of proceedings ? or be homophobic Just an observation you understand. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 15:44:59
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more from English press
Touby
If you have not noticed, the link was not hebrew and this story is international hit. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 17:03:06
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You are fully aware of where I was coming from turk  :
http://www.haaretz.co.il/ HERE
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 17:15:07
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No I am not. I did not even know that has existed. I posted you haaretz link that has Engish version. Why you make your life complicated trying to read the news in Hebrew while English was available. You are zigzaging between simplicity and complexity. lol.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 07 Oct 2010 18:10:28 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 07 Oct 2010 : 18:14:56
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"You are zigzaging between simplicity and complexity. lol."
Maybe,but to have someone as complex as you to teach me these things how could I be otherwise ? Simple is good, has taken on a whole new meaning.I wonder how that would look in hebrew or arabic for that matter,and no I havn't the foggest idea |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
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Posted - 08 Oct 2010 : 11:57:21
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Touby
At least I give you credit for honesty and humbleness. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 08 Oct 2010 : 14:28:31
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Originally posted by turk
Touby
At least I give you credit for honesty and humbleness.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Prince
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Posted - 08 Oct 2010 : 15:29:39
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Eye witness tell court that observed the slave-like condition the manservant was subjected to.
Another hotel porter George Konis told the court he had seen Mr Abdulaziz apparently injured and that he seemed to be treated 'like a slave'.
He said: 'The darker guy, he was battered, he was bruised up, beaten up, with sunglasses. He was all swollen.'
Mr Konis said he helped Al Saud and Mr Abdulaziz move their belongings when they transferred to a larger room at the hotel on January 28.
He said: 'He still looked like a mess but it looked like it was healing slowly, eyes were swollen, bruises. It looked like someone had pounded his face, given him a good few punches.
'I wanted to help with the moving. He kept picking up clothes and trying to help us. There was a big railing of clothing and he was trying to help me push it. The way things were he was just like a slave, of what I saw.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1318212/Gay-Saudi-prince-denies-relationship-manservant-battered-death.html
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turk
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Posted - 08 Oct 2010 : 15:49:59
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This is no slavery of Arab to African in this case as you intend to portray and demonize him, highlighting and ridiculing his ethnicity. This is a the dude with the money and his gigolo. This relationship is no particular to 'arab' and 'african'. The victim is willingly the take this sexual role playing as a mistress. One guy has a money, the other gay man is willingly to be part of this relationship as a mistress. No one is forcing him to be in this position. The question is; would you be in his position? I am hoping you would not. The victim is willing to be in this position. That is so obvious. Like I said, stop polluting.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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