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turk
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 Posted - 29 Sep 2010 : 18:46:08
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I don't like your question?
Because, are you asking this question because you imply EU ultimatum to France as a bad thing? Because, I agree with the ultimatum. In this case, yeah, if Turkey is being pressured for similar discrimination to its citizens/immigrants. Off course I would want Turkey to join EU.
But in general, EU is sinking ship, so I want Turkey to continue to rise in terms of economy and international politics.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 29 Sep 2010 : 20:44:45
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"I don't like your question? "
turk
I know that you know English very well,If you had written, I do not understand your question, then fair enough, but for you not to sit on the fence, problem,so you had to make a decision.  |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 29 Sep 2010 : 21:53:19
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| I said I don't like your question, because your question is manipulative, that is why. It is like saying, as you are skeptic on EU, 'see if you join EU, EU will tell you what to do'. But in this case, EU is doing the right thing. In this particular situation, being in EU is the right thing. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 30 Sep 2010 : 00:37:17
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"I said I don't like your question, because your question is manipulative, that is why"
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"But in general, EU is sinking ship, so I want Turkey to continue to rise in terms of economy and international politics.
Turk,
Hmmmmmmm what a lame excuse,you cannot have it both ways, I think Turkey should join in this situation but not if this happens.
you know perfectly well my posting was written in order for you to decide which way you would respond, the EU for Turkey or not.I fail to see how I can manupulate your mind by asking you to decide one way or the other,it would appear from what you have written that you are in favour of Turkey joining the EU. Because the french president has decided to take a course of action in his own country that others within the EU disagree with he shouldnt be allowed to take that course ? This is what the EU want total control over every country who are members.No country will be independant all will be citizens of the EU not French, not Belgian, not English, not Scottish,ruled by politicians who are totally out of touch with people,and only in touch with community members of the EU.
I found this quote:
"There are no morals in politics; there is only expedience. A scoundrel may be of use to us just because he is a scoundrel."
Vladimir Lenin
Hmmmmm......... again......... perhaps I am a moral man  No just cannot be 
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
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Posted - 30 Sep 2010 : 04:54:34
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Touby
Lame excuse! Touby stop being shallow and attempt at least being smarter. At least pretend to be smarter. What is so complicated to understand the logic here? Let me explain this one more time in simple terms so you get it.
Your question is loaded because, you don’t like the idea of EU interfering national affairs. The way you are asking ‘See, I am right, if Turkey is member of EU, EU will tell them what to do’. You are asking this question because you have two hidden agenda with the question. a) To support your stand which is being anti EU control b) To convince me Turkey should not be member of EU because EU will tell them what to do. So your question has a hidden agenda to convince me to support your stand. That is why I said manipulative and loaded question.
I have objections of EU for other reasons. But, in this particular case, the French Government has taken action that is against EU idea, EU principles, human rights and most important my principles. My principles says that “do not take action against someone based on ‘ethnictiy’, ‘religion’, ‘race’”. So for this particular case, I am happy EU put pressure on France. The ‘control’ that you don’t like ‘in this particular’ case is right action. Because what France did was discriminative, ok, I want to be frank. It was racist. So for this particular case I support the idea of ‘control’ having principle to control a member country that has discriminative policies towards specific group, gypsies. Because this issue is not ‘political’, it is about ‘law’. France violates the law; it is not choosing a particular political action and being controlled by EU. France broke the law.
My opinion about EU and Turkey entering to EU is very complex. Not ‘simple’. Sorry.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 30 Sep 2010 : 17:12:14
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"My opinion about EU and Turkey entering to EU is very complex. Not ‘simple’. Sorry."
Don't be sorry for being complex,I know you are 
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Edited by - toubab1020 on 30 Sep 2010 17:12:57 |
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turk
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Posted - 30 Sep 2010 : 17:21:16
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touby
Whether Turkey should or should not join EU can not be decided based on your 'see EU is condemning France and dictating its policy to internal French policies, it will happen to Turkey if/when they join EU'. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
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