 |
|
| Author |
 Topic  |
|
Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
 Posted - 05 Sep 2010 : 15:06:18
|
The channel four drama I am a Slave shown on 30 August 2010 raised awareness of the practice of Domestic Slavery here under our noises in Britain. The story was based on the experiences of Mende Nazier, whom first came to my attention in 2002 when her story was printed in the voice newspaper. She was under threat of being deported by David Blunkett who alarming pronounced at the time the reasons for returning her home was that "Slavery was not a crime against Humanity."
I vowed from that day onwards that the Labour government would not be getting my vote. This reported prepelled me to write an e-mail to the voice Newspaper which I cc to David Blunkett, African Union, Nelson Mandela and the UN Refugee Council. In my e-mail I included the Judgement of Lord Chief Justice Mansifield who passed the Law automatically freeing African Slaves on British soil. It was based on the Magna Carter and Habeaus Corbus, with the extract of his ruling and his picture and outline of his case. The UN Refugee Council replied to my e-mail wanting to know more about Mende Nazier within two weeks Mende got he indinife leave to remain in the UK.
Now seeing the documentary eight years later there is still along way to go to stop the practice of Domestic Slavery with reports of 20,000 slaves in Sudan alone needed to emanicipated from their harrowing experiences. This doesn't include the other Domestic Slaves scatter across the world who deserve a happy endng like Mende.
Peace
Sister Omega
|
Peace
Sister Omega |
|
|
Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2010 : 16:35:02
|
In reponse to the immotive language used about slaves. I think the authors would be advised to think about what they're writing. A Slave is a Human Being it is the Slave holder who is inhumane trying to justify their imhumane behavior either through religion, economics or politics.
As Tamier was very proud that he had no slaves in his bloodline and Turk thought people were stupid to allow them Slaves to become slaves, To me shows that they are from similiar mind sets.
I am proud of my African Ancestors especially those who survived the Middle Passage because without neither I or my birth family would be here today. The only regret we have is not knowing their name however their DNA runs through our veins. With their contributions the west was able to flourish, and when they emanicipated themselves they brought to the world the concept of Human Rights. The practices used on the Americans plantations were then exported to the African Continent becoming the Europeans experimentation ground until post Independence. In Sudan a former British colony which was handed over to the Arab minority. Sudan prior to British rule was ruled by the Turks for 350 years administered by the Egyptian subjagating the African Sudanese in the South. Therefore when Sudan gained its independence from the British the majority of the African population was still being subjected to apathied and Aparthied policies of the Khatum government and other countries that still practice slavery. The case of Domestic Slaves in Europe is an issue that needs to be addressed and stopped. The barrier in the way is Diplomatic Immunity, and therefore it is the remit of the UN to decide how to stop diplomatic missions from exporting slaves in their missions by making it illegal and those who continue with this practice should be sent to the Hague.
What say you?
Peace
Sister Omega
Peace
|
Peace
Sister Omega |
 |
|
|
Momodou
Denmark
11828 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2010 : 16:50:42
|
I agree with you that the UN should make it illigal for and anyone to use diplomatic immunity for maintaining a domestic slave and they should all be sent to the Hague.
Unfortunately those of us who live outside the UK can not see the documentary shown on channel 4 even from the link provided by Tamsier at http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9660 . |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
|
|
|
turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2010 : 18:54:56
|
quote:
Turk thought people were stupid to allow them Slaves to become slaves, To me shows that they are from similiar mind sets.
Sista, can you come again so I understand my mind set.
enjoy |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 06 Sep 2010 10:13:02 |
|
|
|
jambo
3300 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2010 : 20:44:15
|
once again sister omega has posted a matter which is thoguht provoking.
i think you should start an online campaign, pass on any email or websites we should know about.
my concern is that so many people have diplomatic immunity. education is the only way.
but what is being done in the coutnries that they come from, can the media not highlight their cases, bring it a wider community. One small step from you could be the way forward for others.
|
|
|
|
gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2010 : 21:42:17
|
This is very thought provoking.
My main questions are:
1 Who is doing the enslaving?
2 Who is sending the person into slavery and is it with full knowledge of what is going to happen to the person?
I have posted before about Gambian villages where one caste of Gambians enslaved another. Likewise in UK, landed gentry used to 'enslave' their farmer workers with houses tied to their work.
Do British people use slaves? Or os it mainly other nationalities bringing others of their nationality to be their domestic workers?
|
|
|
|
gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2010 : 21:44:36
|
Sister Omega, did David Blunkett REALLY say that?! I am SHOCKED!
It is disgusting. I thought he was a decent MP!
Sadly though, I would still prefer to vote labour as I think the other parties would be EVEN worse! |
|
|
|
toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2010 : 22:32:29
|
Yer......... right bring back Tony Blair and Gordon Brown,they did a great job didn't they
|
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
|
|
|
|
gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 05 Sep 2010 : 23:18:37
|
| Well this forum isnt to discuss UK politics..but I do think they were better than the alternative at the time. Tony Blair didnt forfill what was hoped for. Gordon Brown was a good chancellor, but not a good PM. That's not to say he wasn't a decent person, just rubbish at social skills. |
|
|
|
kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2010 : 07:28:40
|
quote:
Originally posted by Sister Omega
In reponse to the immotive language used about slaves. I think the authors would be advised to think about what they're writing. A Slave is a Human Being it is the Slave holder who is inhumane trying to justify their imhumane behavior either through religion, economics or politics.
As Tamier was very proud that he had no slaves in his bloodline and Turk thought people were stupid to allow them Slaves to become slaves, To me shows that they are from similiar mind sets.
I am proud of my African Ancestors especially those who survived the Middle Passage because without neither I or my birth family would be here today. The only regret we have is not knowing their name however their DNA runs through our veins. With their contributions the west was able to flourish, and when they emanicipated themselves they brought to the world the concept of Human Rights. The practices used on the Americans plantations were then exported to the African Continent becoming the Europeans experimentation ground until post Independence. In Sudan a former British colony which was handed over to the Arab minority. Sudan prior to British rule was ruled by the Turks for 350 years administered by the Egyptian subjagating the African Sudanese in the South. Therefore when Sudan gained its independence from the British the majority of the African population was still being subjected to apathied and Aparthied policies of the Khatum government and other countries that still practice slavery. The case of Domestic Slaves in Europe is an issue that needs to be addressed and stopped. The barrier in the way is Diplomatic Immunity, and therefore it is the remit of the UN to decide how to stop diplomatic missions from exporting slaves in their missions by making it illegal and those who continue with this practice should be sent to the Hague.
What say you?
Peace
Sister Omega
Peace
Sister, I must admit that I do not fully comprehend your topic or points. However, I suspect that many of the domestic abuse cases in the western world (and elsewhere) are substantially a cultural or economic practice from the abuser and his/her abuser's country of origin. Many MiddleEasterners, (South) Asians, and Africans are accustomed to mistreating (enslaving) their domestic workers and there are no national laws that criminalize such acts.
Many local agencies (legitimate and otherwise) as well as governments, engage in acts that broadly translate into human trafficking (their citizens).
The APRC government, your government has recently signed a deal that will legally enable it 'ship' large numbers of Gambians to Qatar fora myriad of purposes including domestic work (service).
The combination of govt. and private actors, as well as cultural and economic factors are what perpetrate human trafficking and domestic abuse of workers.
I agree that such abusers should be prosecuted fully (in the Hague).
Please accept my apologies, if I digressed. |
Edited by - kayjatta on 06 Sep 2010 10:45:17 |
|
|
|
turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2010 : 18:13:30
|
quote:
The case of Domestic Slaves in Europe is an issue that needs to be addressed and stopped. The barrier in the way is Diplomatic Immunity, and therefore it is the remit of the UN to decide how to stop diplomatic missions from exporting slaves in their missions by making it illegal and those who continue with this practice should be sent to the Hague.
Which diplomatic missions export slaves? Do UN missions export slavery? Can you clarify? Can you provide links about diplomatic missions being involve slavery? Thank you kindly. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
|
|
|
tamsier
United Kingdom
558 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2010 : 18:33:42
|
quote:
Originally posted by Sister Omega
In reponse to the immotive language used about slaves. I think the authors would be advised to think about what they're writing. A Slave is a Human Being it is the Slave holder who is inhumane trying to justify their imhumane behavior either through religion, economics or politics.
As Tamier was very proud that he had no slaves in his bloodline and Turk thought people were stupid to allow them Slaves to become slaves, To me shows that they are from similiar mind sets.
I am proud of my African Ancestors especially those who survived the Middle Passage because without neither I or my birth family would be here today. The only regret we have is not knowing their name however their DNA runs through our veins. With their contributions the west was able to flourish, and when they emanicipated themselves they brought to the world the concept of Human Rights. The practices used on the Americans plantations were then exported to the African Continent becoming the Europeans experimentation ground until post Independence. In Sudan a former British colony which was handed over to the Arab minority. Sudan prior to British rule was ruled by the Turks for 350 years administered by the Egyptian subjagating the African Sudanese in the South. Therefore when Sudan gained its independence from the British the majority of the African population was still being subjected to apathied and Aparthied policies of the Khatum government and other countries that still practice slavery. The case of Domestic Slaves in Europe is an issue that needs to be addressed and stopped. The barrier in the way is Diplomatic Immunity, and therefore it is the remit of the UN to decide how to stop diplomatic missions from exporting slaves in their missions by making it illegal and those who continue with this practice should be sent to the Hague.
What say you?
Peace
Sister Omega
Peace
Sister,
Before you accuse me of being of a similar mind set to someone who condones slavery, I suggest you go and re-read my post in which you have quoted me and understand the overall context. Yes! There is no slavery in my ancestry. It is just the luck of the draw for lack of a better phrase and I have nothing to apologise for. Unlike some people who moan about the Atlantic or Tran Saharan slave trade and vouched had they been there such evil would not have happened, well such evil is happening right now and they are far too cowardly to do something about it never mind speak against it. As for Senegambian muslims or African muslims, they are cowards because they do not want to rock the boat against the arab muslims. As for the Christian West, they are cowards because they do not want to be seen as racist and would not dare utter a word against this evil perpetrated by arabs and Turkish. Not every Senegambian muslim or Western Christian is a coward of course, but apparently they are a minority in regards to this slave issue. I and people I have great respect for spent several years giving our time and resources to fight this evil. I do not just seat on my back side and complain. I take action. I would like to look in my children’s or grandchildren’s eyes in 50 years time and tell them I did something to end this ghastly evil trade. As I have stated in the arab slavery thread, I do not give a toss who likes me here or who does not like me. Apart from my family, it is the people I work to liberate [Africans being enslaved] who I care about. I am a Serere and follow the orthodox Serere religion. Unlike the Senegambian muslim masses, I have no allegiance to foreign religions [islam or Christianity] and neither am I frightened to hold the arabs accountable for their evil. I have done it for years and will continue to do so. As such, the insults resonating from the silly turkish boy sitting behind a computer [who feel targeted because his people have been shown up for what they truly are] I find foolish, unimportant and cowardly. He is nothing to me but words. There is nothing in my character that condones slavery. To compare me to this pathetic individual who condones slavery beggars belief but that is your opinion and you are entitled to it.
As for Mende's story, I am well familiar with that case. Just as you took action in your own way, I also took action in my own way unlike certain people here.
P.S.
Perhaps the Senegambian muslim cowards who would not dare utter a word against the arabs can now come out of the woodwork. Thank the Gods I am of Serere heritage and religion. If holding your tongue against arab evil is a prerequisite of being a muslim, then thank the Gods I am a Serere Animist. As usual, it is the Serere Animists who speak out and take actions whilst the cowards hide in the shadows. This is my last point on this thread and I have nothing else to add.
Peace. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
Edited by - tamsier on 06 Sep 2010 18:37:44 |
|
|
|
turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 06 Sep 2010 : 18:42:42
|
Sista says:
quote:
Therefore when Sudan gained its independence from the British the majority of the African population was still being subjected to apathied and Aparthied policies of the Khatum government and other countries that still practice slavery
This is not the reality. It is not accurate sista.
First of all let me clarify something about Sudan. There is no Arab slaving Africans in Sudan. It is lighter Africans slaving darker Africans. Sudanase government is not Arab racially. They speak Arabic language, but they are NUBIANS, it is African tribe. Most people in Khartoum is African who speak Arabic.
quote:
As with Moroccans, Algerians and most other non-Arabian Peninsula Arabs, most Sudanese Arabs are "Arabs" in linguistic and cultural association. They descended primarily from the pre-existing indigenous populations; that is, the ancient Nubians. The Nubians share a common history with Egypt.
Sudanese government, government officials, police are all Africans. They do speak Arabic language, but they are African.
The president of Sudan is African. If you don't recognize, look again.
All presidents of Sudan in the history, they are all Africans.
Ismail Al-Azhari
1902 - 1969
Prime Minister 1954 - 1956
President 1965 - 1969
Ibrahim Aboud
1900 - 1983
President, 1958 - 1964
Sir Al-Khatim Khalifah
1919 -
Prime Minister, 1964 - 1965
Mohamad Ahmad Mahgoub
1908 -
Prime Minister, 1965 - 1966
Prime Minister, 1967 - 1969
Ahmed Ali Al-Mirghani
1941 -
President, 1986 - 1989
Omer Hassan A. Al-Bashir
1945 -
President, 1989 - Present
Anwar Sedat, who was the president of Egypt from a Nubian Mother.
|
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 06 Sep 2010 19:09:34 |
|
|
|
Prince
507 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2010 : 02:18:45
|
quote:
It is lighter Africans slaving darker Africans. Sudanase government is not Arab racially. They speak Arabic language, but they are NUBIANS, it is African tribe. Most people in Khartoum is African who speak Arabic.
Turk, I do not know the facts of modern day slavery so I cannot comment on the issue but I do know for a fact that those Sudanese are Arabs and not sub-saharan Africans. The complexion of their skins means nothing. They see themselves as Arabs, talk like arabs, and think Arab. I was asked on several occasions in those countries "where are you from, Africa?" I'd say, yes!; where are you from, Europe?" and they always responded a variation of the same dumb stare.
There are several Arabs in Yemen, Oman etc who look black but we won't consider them "African" as they do not see themselves as such. There are Aborigines in Australia and blacks in Papua New Guinea who no sane and un-bigoted person will consider African. So please spare us the argument that, "it is Africans enslaving Africans." In the Sudan, it is Arabs enslaving Africans.
They clearly see the Africans as racially and religiously different and find religious and racial justification to enslave "SAMARAS."
Going by looks alone, most Africans consider all non-round-eyed people (Japanese, Tibetans, Malaysians, etc) to be Chinese. That does not make them Chinese...
The argument that the SPLA forcefully enslaved others won't fly around here either. Those are war crimes, and the SPLA "slaves" eventually join their captors as equals in "enslaving" more soldiers, often fellow Dinkas, to continue the struggle. On the other side, the dinkas are always considered lesser than their Arab captors no matter what. |
"When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty." |
|
|
|
turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2010 : 02:39:51
|
quote:
They see themselves as Arabs, talk like arabs, and think Arab.
quote:
As with Moroccans, Algerians and most other non-Arabian Peninsula Arabs, most Sudanese Arabs are "Arabs" in linguistic and cultural association. They descended primarily from the pre-existing indigenous populations; that is, the ancient Nubians. The Nubians share a common history with Egypt.
You are right. They see themselves arab, they talk like arabs and they think like arabs, but Sudanase are not Arabs. Unlike Moroccans and Algerians they do not share the same racial background with Arabs. Moroccans and Algerians (Berbers) are similar/closer background racially with Arabs. Sudanase are mixed with Arabs via migration and intermarriage. They don't look like Arabs in terms of 'race'. They are Nubians. And Nubians are very close to Ethiopians, Eritrians and Somalian. As you can see in Enwar Sedat, Nubians, as African in general are dominating when they mixed with the other races. Check the history of Sudan. The biggest ethnic groups in north are Nubians and Sudanase are Nubians. They are influenced by Arabs, but they are not Arabs. if you consider Ethiopians, Somalians are African, Sudanase people are indeed African. Did you check the pictures I have provided? I acknowledge that they speak Arabic and they are culturally influence by Arabic. They are well to Arabic culture and identity but they are not Arabs in terms of racial classification. I know Arabs. They have noise with the bridge, in fact most of them have huge noise, much lighter skin than Sudanase Nubian. Their skin is darker only in Saudi Arabia because of climate, but most Sudanase are nothing looking like Arabs. I have been to Sudan and I have seen Nubians are having all the features of Africans. I can distinguish the difference between African and Arab. The ones in Yemen are influenced by Nubian migration too. It is light skin Nubians are slaving souther darker skin African happened to be Christians.
Look at the picture I provided, Bashir. The president of Sudan. He is an African man. No question about it. Looks like african, walks like african, quak like Arab.
|
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 07 Sep 2010 05:11:08 |
|
|
|
turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 07 Sep 2010 : 04:46:16
|
quote:
Going by looks alone, most Africans consider all non-round-eyed people (Japanese, Tibetans, Malaysians, etc) to be Chinese. That does not make them Chinese...
I know they are not chinese, but they are asians. Just like Sudanase look like African, but they are not Gambian, but they are african. Same argument. Because they have same racial characteristics. Just like Sudanase, they may speak Arabic, but their racial characteristics are African. I can't accept any argument saying Sudanase are not African. It is so obvious. They are African. Yes, they mixed with Arabs, their language is arabic, but they are racially African. African genetics are very dominating. When mixed with other racial groups, African characteristics dominates.
Final question to you Prince. Does Bashir look African or Arab, let us assume for a moment you don't know him?
quote:
There are Aborigines in Australia and blacks in Papua New Guinea who no sane and un-bigoted person will consider African.
You are quite right that Aborigines and P&G look very similar to African but they are not African. But Nubians (Sudanase People) are Africans. Racially they are part of Africa. Again, culturally and linguistically they are assimilated to Arabs, but they are still Africans. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 07 Sep 2010 05:28:28 |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
|
|
| Bantaba in Cyberspace |
© 2005-2024 Nijii |
|
|
|
Topic Locked
