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turk
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 Posted - 15 Sep 2010 : 23:43:48
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Originally posted by Sister Omega
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Sista
How do you explain Comoros, Somalia and Mauritania to be in Arab League as well?
Hi Turk, Mauritanians see themselves as Arabs and have only recently officially stop slavery of Africans in their country. The Comoros Island are near to Zanzibar formerly a strategic part of the Arab slave trade route.Somalia is next to Yemen and obviously due to a ccombination of intermixing and slavery their cultures were Arabianized. Therefore over time Arabs, Arab Descendents and former Arab Colonies have gained membership into the Arab League because of they have assimilated into Arab culture. Of course this is a generalisation because in these regions there are still custodians of the indigenous cultures who claim their ethnic identities.
As MeMe said the bottom line is that people ares people.
That's why there should be zero tolerance to slavery.
Peace
Sister Omega
http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Sudan.htm
Sorry Sista, but you post bunch of non-sense. I will just ignore them. Mauritanians are arabs. Somalians are arabs. I am learning new things everyday. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15 Sep 2010 : 23:59:45
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Turk you're arguing with the wrong person here. This is some of the debate that Mauritana's themselves have been discussing between themselves for some time. So don't shoot the messenger. It just seems that those African Countries who were under Arabianization are starting to revaluate their African identity, and freeing themselves from the mental slavery that they've been but through.
Check out this link.
Unfortunately I was unable to paste on the link. So instead here is a snapshot of Mauritania for you. You can argue with this
http://www.everyculture.com/Ma-Ni/Mauritania.html
Peace
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 16 Sep 2010 00:07:21 |
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turk
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Posted - 16 Sep 2010 : 00:08:50
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Sister Omega. I have talked to Mauritanians or Somalians. I have many Somalians friends. They are proud Africans. So are Mauritanians. You sound like getting Arabic culture is a wrong thing. I don't buy this mental slavery thing. Culture influence other cultures, how is it mental slavery? Based on your non-sense, Cubans are influence by Spanish Culture, they are mental slave too. Black African in UK, speak English, are they mental slave too. What a non-sense!
If these people are complaining about arabization, they do recognize about their differences so they are not arab. Turkish culture is influence by european culture, is it a mental slavery?
Most Africans are speaking English or French? What about those? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 16 Sep 2010 00:13:44 |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Sep 2010 : 01:01:53
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Turk, calm down take a deep breath! Mental slavery is when one cultural imposes its ideology and social norms on another. We have no control over where we are born however we do have control on how we think about ourselves as Human Beings. Therefore I think it is healthy have a rounded viewpoint of your ethnicity as well as your nationality. So I don't see a contradiction of being born in the UK of any origin and speaking English and being proud of ones family's culture. The same goes for people whether they are in the ethnic minority or ethnic majority elsewhere in the world. For me diversity is the spice of the world. For far too long diversity has been used as a divide and rule tactic to imply being different was inferior hence "the topic I'm a Slave." The remenants of slavery, colonialisation, and Neo-Colonialisation has been based on racism, which is an extention of the Class system used as a tool to control Natural and Human Resources. An educated person cannot be a Slave because the mind has a natural inclination to realign itself to the truth. So in this debate we have examined the Arab Slave Trade and the victims of contemporay Slavery voices must be heard against the muffled voices of those who lived and died as slaves over millenniums. That once and for all let this evil practice be stopped in this decade. Wherever it's taking in place whether it is in Africa, Asia, Europe, the America's or Australisa enslaving people is unacceptable in the 21st Century in whatever form it may take.
I would suggest that you read up about mental slavery for yourself as it can take many forms however it's symptoms are Low self esteem and being indoctrinated that a person is uncapable of achieving any thing because of the colour of their skin, or their ethnicity or their gender etc. After all when people have been psycologically damaged it is no long chains that ties them down it is their minds.
In my view a more holistic worldview is therapeutic for Humankind and will go a lot further than the blame game and help to promote world peace rather than wars and roamers of wars.
To quote HIM Selassie I "Until the colour of a man's skin is no more significance than the colour of eyes there will be war and roamers of war!"
Right now WE DON'T NEED NO MORE TROUBLE! WHAT WE NEED IS lOVE! The truth will always reveal itself. After all we have all learnt about European Expansion but what a lot of us didn't learn was about the Ottoman Expansion so in this topic we explored the issues of the slave trade that was a significant element within its expansion, and the Arab League that is similiar to the British Commonwealth. The British Commonwealth has had to evolve and the British government had to realise that its ex-colonies are souveriegn powers in their own right. So what's the problem Turk? It's part of our collective history and it's time for Slavery to end.
So for those of you who want to see Human Trafficking ended please press this link.
http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/Sudan.htm
Peace Sister Omega
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 16 Sep 2010 01:02:31 |
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MeMe
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Sep 2010 : 11:05:08
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| Great post and informative link, Sister O. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 16 Sep 2010 : 12:48:08
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Sista
Currently, there are domestic workers who work similar to slavery conditions in Sudan.
Sudan is an AFRICAN country. I posted the pictures of the leaders of Sudan. They are all BLACK AFRICANS who may speak Arabic. Like many BLACK africans who may speak English, French, German. They are BLACK AFRICANS. They speak Arabic. A Ghanian is AFRICAN but they speak English. But at the end they are AFRICAN. These African people who have the political power in SUDAN, they are involving this 'slave like domestic workers', the ruling AFRICANs in Sudan is 'having slave like domestic workers' other tribes in Sudan who is darker and living in rural area or south. If these people are not doing anything about this, it is not the problem of Arabs who live in Syria, Lebanon, Iraq, Jordon, Egypt, Qatar, Tunis, it is not the problem of Turks, it is not the problem of British. It is the fault of AFRICANS themselves. In Sudan this 'slavery like domestic workers' is happening by AFRICANS on other AFRICANS. One African Tribes vs other African tribes. Stop unfairly, holding "Arabs" responsible for what happening in Sudan. I am not denying the tragedy of slavery and this crime committed by mostly Europeans and Arabs in the history. I condemn with the harshest term. But Like historical 'slavery', now contemporary 'slave like domestic workers', African tribes also involve slavery, one tribe 'slaving' the other tribe and sell to the market. Slavery existed in Africa before Arabs or Europeans came. Of course, it is worse if African tribes are slaved and taken to another continent during Trans-Atlantic Slavery. Currently 'slave like domestic workers' is happening, the only people who can stop these in Sudan. Not British, Not Turkish, Not Syrian, Not Arab. It is Africans who have the power in Sudan. Complain about all these pictures i posted. Complain Basher who is black African who happens to speak Arabic language. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16 Sep 2010 : 22:34:57
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Hi MeMe thanks for your comments I am glad that you understood my post and found the link interesting.
On the contrary domestic slavery is not just an African problem alone its an international problem. By the way slavery comes from the word Slav or Slavic. Orginally Slavians from Europe were captured and made into slaves in Medevial Europe it isn't an African Phonenemon. Therefore your presumption that African slavery was in Africa long before the Arabs or Europeans attived is a lie.
Between the 6th and 10th centuries AD, members of pagan Slavonic peoples were taken prisoner by the Khazars, Kypchaks and other steppe peoples and taken to the slave markets in Crimea. In addition, during the wars between the pagan Slavonic states and Christian states of Europe, many prisoners of war from both sides were sold as slaves. After the Muslim conquests of North Africa and most of the Iberian peninsula, the Islamic world became a huge importer of slaves from Eastern Europe. The trade routes were established between slave trade centres in the pagan Slavonic countries (for example Prague and Wolin) and Arab metropoles in the Muslim-controlled regions of the Iberian peninsula (Al-Andalus). Because of religious constraints, the slave trade was monopolised by Iberian Jews (known as Radhanites) who were able to transfer the slaves from pagan Central Europe through Christian Western Europe to Muslim countries in Al-Andalus and North Africa. However, the converted Christian ruler Mojmír I of the Great Moravian Empire taxed the slave caravans that passed through his lands, providing an important source of revenue, if indirectly. This trade came to an end in the 10th century after the Christianisation of Slavic countries.
Slavery in medieval Europe was so common that the Roman Catholic Church repeatedly prohibited it—or at least the export of Christian slaves to non-Christian lands was prohibited at, for example, the Council of Koblenz in 922, the Council of London in 1102, and the Council of Armagh in 1171.[10] William the Conqueror, too, banned export of English slaves. The medieval slave trade was mainly to the East: Byzantine Empire and the Muslim World were the destinations, pagan Central and Eastern Europe an important source.[11][12][13] The Persian traveller Ibn Rustah described how Swedish Vikings, the Varangians or Rus, terrorized and enslaved the Slavs.[14] So many Slavs were enslaved for so many centuries that the very name 'slave' derived from their name, not only in English, but in other European languages and in Arabic.[12][15]
The Mongol invasions and conquests in the 13th century made the situation worse. The Mongols enslaved skilled individuals, women and children and marched them to Karakorum or Sarai, whence they were sold throughout Eurasia. Many of these slaves were shipped to the slave market in Novgorod.[16][17][18]
Genoese and Venetians merchants in Crimea were involved in the slave trade with the Golden Horde. Between 1414 and 1423, at least 10,000 eastern European slaves were sold in Venice.[19] Genoese organized the slave trade from the Crimea to Mamluk Egypt. In 1441, Haci I Giray declared independence from the Golden Horde and established the Crimean Khanate. For a long time, until the early 18th century, the khanate maintained a massive slave trade with the Ottoman Empire and the Middle East. In a process called the "harvesting of the steppe", they enslaved many Slavic peasants.[20
Source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_medieval_Europe
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Edited by - Sister Omega on 16 Sep 2010 22:40:08 |
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turk
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Posted - 16 Sep 2010 : 23:24:32
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sista
I suggest you re-read what you just post. Don't embarrass yourself.
First of all 'Slavery' , the word, for the term western people came from "slav", so are you saying, African do not use the word 'slave' which was originated in Europe, that means in Africa, there has never been slavery because the 'slav' word did not exist. That is hilarious. Where the word of 'slave' came from does not matter. That is a ‘word’ for European Languages. Based on your logic, Turks use the word ‘kole’, that means slavery has never existed in Turkey. So when european, then arabs came, the word slavery also arrive in africa and slavery has started. Slavery is a concept. It is everywhere in the world. Your coming to conclusion of 'African slavery was in Africa long before the Arabs or Europeans attived is a lie' is so funny. No, it is hilarious. Your theory relating the linguistic term ‘slavery’ used for slavery and existing of slavery in Africa is not logical.
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 00:22:49
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Sister Omega, light is clearly shining on your side of the universe. By close observation of Turk and his outlook of life, it is not hard to identify the slave driver mentality. Turk belongs to that lot of people who want to use colour and geographical locality (natural selections as they are ) to promote a given view of social reality.
In the narrow and blurred perspective of Turk, poverty, being black, remote locationality, are lamentable. For example, Turk will post 1000 times that poor black country like Gambia has to accept poverty illiteracy, and low standard of living as life imposed sentences to be endured and not remedied.
Turk, you need to liberate your mind for a bit. You are too closed to benefit from the wider gains of diversity in the broad context of universal human brotherhood. Stay away from this low sheltered mentality of a divided society based on wealth, numeracy, colour, remote locationality. See the bigger picture of progress as collective contribution of humankind. Remember how everything around the world is now experiencing giant leaps by the contribution of PEOPLE and not COLOURS. You need a life Turk. |
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turk
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 02:28:39
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Slave driver mentality! Blame me. Karamba! I missed your rubbish and non-sense. Welcome back. The mentality like yours is the reason Africa is failing.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Karamba
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Sep 2010 : 02:44:47
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Calling it nonesense whenever your sense of reality fails (and quite often it does)
When will you begin to see sense, Turk? It is your blocked mind that keeps failing so that you can't see sense. Sorry about that though. |
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Edited by - Karamba on 17 Sep 2010 02:45:52 |
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turk
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turk
USA
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Posted - 29 Sep 2010 : 22:03:10
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First of all, one must realize that this is happening to 'africans' by 'africans'. Realization of this may be good step to do something about it. There is no question Europeans, colonization, Arabs and dictators could be blamed for the issues like this. But, the solution relies on African people themselves. Slavery like working conditions, or sex-slavery like this one is happening right in the middle of Africa. Mali, Nigeria, Sudan.
Wealth is the most important factor to solve issues in Africa. You can get as much as democracy and human rights, without resources, you can't apply these principles in real life. You can have as much as human rights rules, as long as there is a poverty, this sex-slavery will not be resolved. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
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