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toubab1020
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 Posted - 01 Sep 2010 : 21:16:05
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Originally posted by Momodou
If this bad odor is indeed hydrogen sulfide which is a toxic gas then this is a very serious matter. Yet you folks want to turn the topic into a joke. That is distasteful.
Momodou, what you say is right, its childish banter I shall delete the postings that made light of this topic.
The people in this village must be suffering,the solution is much more difficult,I fear that nothing will be done. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 01 Sep 2010 : 21:29:00
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| Perhaps the link to this topic could be sent to the National Environment Agency (NEA) so that they might consider measuring the level of H2S in the area and other toxic gasses. I think the article should have informed the readers what this Chinese factory is producing. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01 Sep 2010 : 22:20:18
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When Gambia accepts investment from China without any strings, this kind of environmental situation will be the consequence.
Of course Gambian's want jobs, but the bigger picture for the community needs to be taken into account.
Momodou I agree with you. This is a very serious long term problem for Gambian society. Petty point scoring isn't appropriate! |
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Jack
Belgium
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Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 08:28:36
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I'm not joking about this topic. I got you the information how dangerous H2S is. I even mentioned to contact NEA :
Email: nea@gamtel.gm / info@nea.gm
Website: www.nea.gm
Succes. I contacted (tried) them several times in the past but never got any response.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 09:11:54
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Jack, I don't think the comment was meant for you, but for Turk and Toubab. Anyone who follows your postings knows you only post occasionally and think about the subject carefully.
I am sure the more China is involved in Africa, the more environmental issues will be raised. |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 09:25:19
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Jack, thanks for the e-mail addresses to NEA. I sent it to them through the link "Send Topic to a Friend". I hope they read the thread.
Bev got it, I was not referring to you. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 11:54:56
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I am sure the more China is involved in Africa, the more environmental issues will be raised.
Gambiabev
That is very unfair to China. It is up to African government to protect themselves. Unlike European involvement with Africa in the recent history, China does not have gun for Africa to have any economic relationship. They should be aware of the situation. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Jack
Belgium
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Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 12:18:59
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Realy Turk ?
And who is keeping Mougabe in the saddle.
How many Chinese cargos filled with weapons with destination Zimbabwe are stopped by the South African government ?
China plays a mayor role on the Africa continent. They are the new colonisators.
And you know how african governments protect themselves I guess...
regards
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turk
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 12:41:54
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Jack
Yes. Really. China plays major role on the African continent but not as colonist as European has done. They did not invade Africa. They don't have military presence in Africa. They are negotiation on the table. Nooooooooooooooooooooooo one is forced to deal with Chinese companies.
Excuse me but why anyone stop weapons to Zimbabwe. Zimbabwe is independent country and buy weapon. And China, just like Belgium, can sell weapon. I am not sure why nations have double standards. Israel can have nuke but Iran can't. Belgium can sell weapons to Saudi Arabia, but Zimbabwe can't buy weapons from China. Last time I check there is not UN sanction against Zimbabwe to buy weapon. And there is no UN sanction for China to sell weapon. Is there?
Jack, your or my compassion for Africa is different from how diplomacy, international politics and economy works.
Either Westerns and China exploits Africa when it comes to business. Europe has many deal with African governments for industrial waste. Why, because, they don't want this waste in Europe, they export this waste to Africa. It is all about interests. It is a difficult situation for Africa as they lack technology and capital. They need foreign involvement.
China does not force any African government to work with them. It is a fair business deal. It may not be ideal but it is African governments control to involve with China. It is unfair label China as colonial power like western (European) involvement in Africa. African governments/nations must be smart when they deal with other countries. It is up to them to protect their national interests. It is not duty of China. Even, the credit you get from IMF, Worldbank has strings to attached. Even interests rates are different depending on the country. If a country has more political, economic and strategic power, they get better loan deal from IMF/Worldbank. It is unfortunate that Africans are vulnerable when it comes to trade deal with foreign companies and nations.
And how much power you have is the most determining factor to protect yourself. Rule and Regulation, democracy are nice to have, but if you don't have economic power, you are less likely to say no to a bad deal, in this case, the deal proposed by China.
For this strong smell, if there is anyone to blame, it would be the African themselves. But at the same time, they need capital investment. It is unfortunate that they are in difficult situation to make the tough decision.
Jack
Let me know what you think about this?
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 15:16:34
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Turk, going off from the smells topic again to greater world politics,I am sure it pleases you to drive along these tangents and engage in conflict postings,OK it keeps bantaba ticking over as it appears that FEW of the Gambians living abroad want to join in posting and solutions to local issues as they have not been back to The Gambia for many years,not all together their fault I know,so they prefer to post about politics as a way to improve their birth place where one day they may return when silicon valley has materialised.
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Originally posted by turk
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I am sure the more China is involved in Africa, the more environmental issues will be raised.
Gambiabev
That is very unfair to China. It is up to African government to protect themselves. Unlike European involvement with Africa in the recent history, China does not have gun for Africa to have any economic relationship. They should be aware of the situation.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 15:59:15
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touby
Geeeezzz. You have too simple thought process. Your simplicity does prevent to have proper solution. How am I going off the topics? My post is related to the topic. And stop you making your silly comments about my drive and motivation as I am seeking conflict. Everyone has different perspective and interests on issues.
Let me explain how it is related.
Quickly we found a guilty for this problem. CHINA. That is not the case. CHINA maybe part of the problem but the solution is depending on Gambian Government. That is what I am trying to point, but you don't get it. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 17:20:47
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"You have too simple thought process. Your simplicity does prevent to have proper solution. How am I going off the topics? My post is related to the topic. And stop you making your silly comments about my drive and motivation as I am seeking conflict. Everyone has different perspective and interests on issues."
I am pleased I am simple and don't like conflict as you appear to do,still people are different, lets leave it at that,"Everyone has different perspective and interests on issues." at least that makes sense. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 18:26:27
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touby
Your observation wrong. Your too simplistic approach causing your having silly conclusions. And the world is not rosy and simple world. If I challenge with an addition dimension in the discussion and if I think there are more requirements for the solution, that is my perspective. I have different approaches. Accept the differences. Everyone has different approaches. I don't have to be simple. You call it 'conflict', I call it 'debate'. It is totally OK to have difference in opinion.
What is your solution to this smelly problem? It looks like the solution is Gambia to put an economic sanctions against China as it looks like China is the one we are blaming. When China is out of question, things will be resolved. Yeah, your simplicity is working. Great. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 02 Sep 2010 19:39:28 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 21:30:28
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Turk,be realistic, China will not be out of the Gambia until she realises that there is no expansion of her trade there,however I think that the Port is very attractive to China to import her goods to the Western side of Africa,is there not big expansion going on around the port area at the moment? to sell goods to Gambia is hardly viable as AVERAGE people have little or no money,however to Wholesale Chinese made goods to the "business men" would be profitable for them.
Now smells,Gambia is likely to do very little,after all who wants to offend a "friend" diplomacy has never been a strong point in The Gambia,so The Chinese rely on Gambian workers to produce whatever is produced in the smelly factory,that route could be effective, look at the recent KMC gully cleaning labourers problem that was somewhat resolved recently,each side got a little of what they wanted,and the "problem" was minimised. |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 02 Sep 2010 : 21:46:15
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I did not get your point but let me try.
It is not up to China whether he will be there or not. I still do not understand why you ignoring the the fact that Gambia is a sovereign/independent country, at least on the paper. Gambia allows China to be in Gambia. And Gambia needs China. During trade negotiation Gambia could force China to compliant with the environment standards. This probably could increase the cost of investment, than investment in Gambia is no longer attractive. China would go Guinea Bissau, or Senegal, Or Guinea or somewhere else. The point is that, while Gambia can force China to comply with the environment, it can't because Gambia does not have the chips for negotiating. So, both side has consensus. Both sides have motivation to do business. No problem there. But Gambia also have negative impact on her environment. Unfortunately, Gambia doesn't have much power to bargain with China. Sorry but that is the reality.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
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