| Author |
 Topic  |
|
Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
 Posted - 25 May 2006 : 17:43:13
|
Gambiabev thanx for your response. It just goes to show that a well can't empty its contents into a cup.
|
Peace
Sister Omega |
 |
|
|
MADIBA
United Kingdom
1275 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2006 : 18:47:02
|
quote:
Originally posted by Sister Omega
Kisley instead of running away why not develop your argument? It is obvious from my statement you are offended by the stereotyping of the European race. The point I was making is the same applies when the shoe is on the other foot when describing other races but in particularly the African race. The classification system was first devised in the 18th century with race horses and then transferred to classify Africans for the breeding programs on slave plantations in the America's, under the slave system such practices were justified because Africans were seen as subhuman. A horse was valued more than an African life,as ludicrus as this sounds today this was the thinking amongst most Europeans then and ensrined in laws.
The problem which keeps on arising when people make what they believe are innnocent comments here on the forum, which I believe when gambiabev made her initial contribution, she was unaware of its negative connotations. That's because she was unaware of the roots of their negative impacts. Because racism is a false construct staunched in stereotypes based on ignorance greed and power. If I were to give you the example of Nazi Germany where Hitler experiment to make a pure Arian race where white blonde and blue eyes was put on the pedal stool as being the most superior human being on the planet we can see how ludicrus this seems today,especially when Jesse Owens blew this myth away at the Olympic games in 1936, and Hitler had to leave the stadium in embrassment.
On another level there are national and ethnic characteristics that describe people but in the modern world where there are a lot of mixtures between different ethnic groups across national and international borders it is increasingly becoming more difficult to classify people on tribal grounds hence the colour hair analogy.
Peace
Sister Omega
Sister thats a good history lesson. I am impressed. |
madiss |
|
|
|
kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2006 : 22:18:35
|
quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
Sister Omega you are VERY PATRONISING!
It is not true that ALL blondes are Swedish...it IS true that MOST swedish people are blonde. 
Usually, stereotypes and generalisations have SOME element of truth to them.
I would like to ask a Jola person, what characteristics of Jolas sets them apart from the rest of Gambian people. What are they proud of in being a Jola? What makes them different from other groups?
Or are all Gambian groups exactly the same as each other?
Gambiabev am loosing patience and respect for you now as I am absolutely disappointed with you.. Can't you leave us please, I mean the Jolas. You are not contibuting anything productive on this immigration topic apart from raising your doubts, castigating us and seductive attempts to convince other to show interest, link them to your foolish thoughts and deviating them from the pertinent issues about this topic. |
Edited by - kobo on 25 May 2006 22:19:26 |
|
|
|
gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2006 : 23:48:59
|
Who am I castigating? No one.
Either all Gambian tribes are the same as each other...or if not, they have distinguishng features. It cant be both ways..... I am interested to know what distinguishes them......that is because along time ago I was a sociology student and I am interested in what makes social groups work....
I dont understand why you are disappointed in me..I am still interested in Gambia, still reading...still asking questions...... |
|
|
|
gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 25 May 2006 : 23:59:40
|
Sister Omega..Why do you feel SO superior to others on bantaba?
Are you suggesting that you are the well and I am the cup?
I really hope you arent a teacher!
In Victorian times the attitude was that I child was an empty vessel to fill up with knowledge...
Fortunately today education is seen as more of a two way process with interaction and mutual respect being at the core.... Pupils explore, discover and learn independently with a teacher as guide.....
I find you very condescending, not just to myself..but to others on bantaba.
I think on the internet we are all equal and should all be able to put our point of view across without being belittled.
Perhaps more members would feel brave enough to contribute if they thought people on bantaba would be kinder to them? There are many members that never post anything. I think that is because they feel intimidated by the likes of sister omega and her superior attitudes. We could be missing some valuable contributions because of this and others like this.
|
|
|
|
Pappa
USA
76 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2006 : 00:06:08
|
Updates on Spain/Morocco/EU immigration repatriation plan, Gambians & Senegalese might be included;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5011746.stm |
When opportunity and prepareness meet, it leads to success!
Great Phonecard rates and a lot more, at affordable prices, check it out at http://www.pjoof.com |
|
|
|
Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2006 : 00:12:35
|
Thanks for your response Madiba I'm glad you liked the history lesson. As for fortress Europe the difficulties we face in Europe is due to European ignorance. As the doors to Europe close the rest of the world's gates are wide open for Europeans to expliot, and that's the way the system has been designed for one way traffic. As Spain is seen as the weak link in the European chain of immigration, it is ironic after nearly six hundred years the first European explorers who wanted to seize the gold from our beloved continent venturing in uninvited to Africa's shores, divding up the world between their sister nation Portugal and themselves are now going to Gambia to stop the flow of immigration to their shores.
What the Europeans fail to realise is that it's their unethical trade policies and unethical immigration policies that are responsible for people risking their lives in search of a better standard of living. Due to the Western greed which deliberately keeps Africa in it's state of underdevelopment.
I'm not sure if any of you are aware of social entrepeurs such as Afritech started two white Americans. Who have devised a manual water irrigation pump which allows Kenyan and Tanzanian farmers to irrigate their fields to enable them to substantially increase their yields of crops. The end result of using this simple devise are that these farmers can send their children to school, expand their businesses, build better accommodation,have a better quality of life and standard of living. Thus creating opportunities in rural communities and reversing the migration trend to cities and foreign lands.
People need to work. Too many African's the world over are denied work, and just like everyone who earns a wage packet they too want to earn one. So what is the problem in doing that! After all when Europeans were struggling to make ends meet didn't they immigrate to the so called "new world" and expliot it for everything they could lay their hands on free of charge? Today people of colour just want a slice of the cake preferably at home but if it's not available there they will go and hunt for it elsewhere. When you consider Nigeria where $3 billion dollars are made every month nothing goes to the people who live next to these oil plants, the majority of people in the Niger Delta are suffering stark poverty but how many people consider that in reality it is those poor people who are subsidizing people every time they put a shell pump in their car? Isn't African immigration just a case of chickens coming home to roost?
Peace
Sister Omega |
Peace
Sister Omega |
Edited by - Sister Omega on 26 May 2006 00:24:19 |
|
|
|
Guest
Gambia
20 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2006 : 00:22:53
|
I am sure Sister Omega can speak for herself but you don't speak for me Bev. I would rather read one posting from Sister Omega in one week than a hundred from you because you keep on asking the same silly questions. You received answers to your questions from Gambians but you insist on trying inorder to get the same answers as your guide in Gambia.
Start a new topic and don’t make this topic about you and you alone. |
Edited by - Guest on 26 May 2006 00:25:20 |
|
|
|
kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2006 : 00:29:34
|
quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
Who am I castigating? No one.
Either all Gambian tribes are the same as each other...or if not, they have distinguishng features. It cant be both ways..... I am interested to know what distinguishes them......that is because along time ago I was a sociology student and I am interested in what makes social groups work....
I dont understand why you are disappointed in me..I am still interested in Gambia, still reading...still asking questions......
If you don't appreciate Njucks efforts to refer you to proper sources of information please leave my tribe or ethnic group. We are working on immigration issues and don't interupt the flow by attempting to make tempers high, making people look low, degrading and discrimination kind of? Why are you bothered with asking about species and anthropology. Thats my final warning to express my frustration with you. You are not learning anything but provocative. Having finished with me you immediately post another one to somebody else who appear frustrated with you. Am sorry about that anyway! |
|
|
|
Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2006 : 00:59:21
|
Gambianbev is one of the many distractors who come to destroy positive debates. Those of you who have been with us over the years on the bantabaa shouldn't be suprised about these nuisances even when they come under the disguise of former sociology students!!!
Peace
Sister Omega |
Peace
Sister Omega |
Edited by - Sister Omega on 26 May 2006 01:15:05 |
|
|
|
Sister Omega
United Kingdom
2085 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2006 : 01:20:36
|
Hi pappa I was just thinking maybe this immigration situation is a window of opportunity for the AU to again raise repariations onto the international agenda, to invest in sustainable livelihoods by creating more employment to stop this unsustainable immigration flow or brain drain from out of the continent in other words payback time!
Peace
Sister Omega |
Peace
Sister Omega |
|
|
|
Samarew
USA
11 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2006 : 07:30:24
|
What is the difference(physically) between a 5feet 6 inch blonde blue eyed English and a 5 feet 6 inch blue-eyed Dutch?Tell me and I'll tell you how to tell if someone is JOLA.I have the feeling that if you are not of African origin, you have serious prejudices; even if you don't know it.
quote:
Originally posted by gambiabev
Who am I castigating? No one.
Either all Gambian tribes are the same as each other...or if not, they have distinguishng features. It cant be both ways..... I am interested to know what distinguishes them......that is because along time ago I was a sociology student and I am interested in what makes social groups work....
I dont understand why you are disappointed in me..I am still interested in Gambia, still reading...still asking questions......
|
|
|
|
gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2006 : 08:09:50
|
Sister Omega and friends...I am away from bantaba for a week.....so you will be able to have your intellectual debate without interruptions from me!
I will be interested to read the postings when I return. |
|
|
|
njucks
Gambia
1131 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2006 : 10:04:37
|
Sister Omega. i can sensed that you have an interest in development work. i share this with you and i'll open a new discussion on Rural Development so we can learn from people like you. i'm glad you mentioned Afritech etc. my particular interest is in rural energy/electrification issues.
you mentioned Nigeria.what is happening in Nigeria (niger delta), infact the whole of Nigeria, is not just a disgrace by its elite but its a CRIME by oil companies like Shell. no other company has done so much damage to africa's environment that Shell. its unbelieveable. you have to see it to believe it.
they burn gas at heights of 2m off the ground relasing toxic fumes right in the heart of villages, spill oil into cultivation fields. its unbelieveable!!! see for yourself
http://www.foei.org/climate/gallerynigeriagas.html
http://www.climatelaw.org/gas.flaring/report/section7
but even closer to home you have to go to Banjul and see the Fuel Storage Depot right next to people's homes in Half Die. i'm sure you know what happenned at the Buncefield fuel depot in UK earlier this year or December.
Shell is in Norway,UK, Iceland and everywhere but they dare not behave like this. infact in these countries no one wastes gas by burning it openly. |
|
|
|
serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 26 May 2006 : 16:12:32
|
I think the harshness of European laws is BECAUSE European politicians - and, even more, those who sponsor their politics - know what they did and still do to Non-European countries (BornAfrican, I fully agree with you and Njucks). They simply refuse to pay the bill of the past colonial and current neo-colonial era, but are fully aware of the costs.
BTW, I would like to see an investigation on corruption in EU immigration offices. It seems to be no problem to bring myriads of (very often forced) prostitutes from all over the world to EU, but the doors are closed for political/economical refugees, especially for male refugees. Food to think, not only on immigration laws, but also on corruption and sexism...
But setting one's hope on a change of this practise may be futile. We had a political scandal in Germany two years ago, when a conservative politician and TV moderator was caught with cocaine and illegal prostitutes from Ukraine. It showed that the criminals who provided the drugs and the women to the politician had been contacted by some 40 telephone numbers from within our parliament, the Bundestag. What happened? Nothing, friends! |
|
|
|
Topic |
|
Topic Locked
