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kondorong
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 Posted - 18 May 2006 : 22:41:02
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| It looks like every one is so sensitive . may be i should chill out for some time. i will be back after a cuppa tea |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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taalibeh
Gambia
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Posted - 18 May 2006 : 22:41:28
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Lemontime it is because we just go on holiday for one or two weeks........Gambians usually want to stay longer in uk. We can be trusted to return home. Sadly, many Gambians havent returned home on expiry of their visa and this is why it is made more difficult for future Gambians.
Also MOST people from uk are self supporting and arent going to be a burden on Gambian state. This is not true in reverse.
I am very sorry if it seems harsh....but it comes down to money again, as does most things in life sadly.
Gambiabive
I hope yaya is reading this particular posting of yours. This misery is being heaped on us by our leaders. While they are draining our resources and throwing us backwards, your leaders are using your resources for your own good.
We should not have any reason to want to stay in the UK not wanting to go back home.
I am not sure if every Westerner is in the Gambia for the right reason. Some are there for their absolute personal interest (legitimate or not) as some of us are in your various countries.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 May 2006 : 22:58:10
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Do you think yaya has people reading our postings?
If so, I would say to him...spend money in education and health care. Look after your people and they will respect you and vote for you.
What about the brain drain? yaya needs to pay his well qualified Gambia people the correct rate for a professional job. Then they wouldnt want to leave the country for self interest. They would stay and help Gambia improve.
How I would love to have a 1:1 with him!!!!
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 18 May 2006 : 23:01:54
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| Be careful he has magic water |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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taalibeh
Gambia
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Posted - 18 May 2006 : 23:21:00
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Originally posted by gambiabev
Do you think yaya has people reading our postings?
If so, I would say to him...spend money in education and health care. Look after your people and they will respect you and vote for you.
What about the brain drain? yaya needs to pay his well qualified Gambia people the correct rate for a professional job. Then they wouldnt want to leave the country for self interest. They would stay and help Gambia improve.
How I would love to have a 1:1 with him!!!!
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 18 May 2006 : 23:23:36
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Taalibeh do you also want a 1:1. Hey LAMBA JI HUMBANA. TAALIBEH IS IN THE HOUSE. MBORR MA GI GEWBI. WHERE IS SANKOFA.
WHEN THE CAT IS AWAY THE MICE WILL PLAY. SANKOFA HAS A NEW RECRUIT BUT SANKOFA IS TOO DRUNK TO HEAR FOR NOW. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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BornAfrican
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 May 2006 : 01:27:16
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Gambiabev, i appologize that somebody had to mention that "European ..." thing. i don't agree with it.
please don't be offended by what i posted. i like to talk about issues that are making front page stories. immigration is a hot issue in England at the moment. just minutes ago, i was watching "Question time" and one of the points raised by someone was if there could be an amnesty for England's illegal immigrants(who form only 0.8% of the population) like Mr Bush did in America with their illegal immigrants(who form 8% of US's population). there are mixed reactions about it. its going to be a kinda selective amnesty even if there is going to be one.
my problem with immigration issues here is the amount of noise the politicians make out of it. during my stay in this country, i have come to realise that the media is somehow controlled by the government in such a way that people only know what the government want them to know. in this way, politicians can pass any kinda information to people and it is taken. an example was when i once visited a friend and she was angrily talking about asylum seekers in the uk. when i asked her about the last cencus in England, she did not even know the word "census". i then asked her about England's population, she didn't know. i asked her about the percentage of England's population formed by immigrants and she did not know. one thing that stroke me was the fact that this lady did not know all these questions i asked her but yet still, she is very angry with assylum seekers. this is how the politicians in this country are making devils out of immigrants(in this country) who are not europeans. this is double standards.
recently we have heard about uproars about Iraqi asylum seekers here in the UK. the population forgot that it is because of this government's foreign policy that Iraqis are coming to seek asylum in England.
Bev, most of the African immigrants in UK are not depending on the government. they are working and earning unlike being a burden on the government as you stated in one of your postings. illegal immigration itself should not be a crime as long as you work, abide by the rules of the land and pay your dues. i am not defending illegal immigration but during this heat of the issue, people don't care whether one is legal or illegal. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 May 2006 : 01:51:33
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British immigration Laws need to be addressed because they are denying the immigrant settled population their basic human rights. There needs to be a mature debate about this issue. Economic migration is essential for Britain to balance its GDP after all the British population is an aged population with a declining birth rate. Who is going to pay into the tax system in the future to help to sustain the economy? If not migrant workers. It seems that Britain is not opposed to immigration but to non-white immigration. After all European Union Citizens and white commonwealth country nationals seem to get preferential treatments compared to their non-white counterparts. The rise of the British National Party is an example of how middle class keep England white brigade is working with their Dagenham victory recently.
Born African I've been saying for years that Gambian Youth need to be show the day to day realities of living in Europe, so they can make an imformed choice before risking their lives to go to Europe, and then to be treated as criminals because they want to improve their standard of living.
On the contrary to false presumptions, if there was more flexibility in the immigration system for economic migrants eventually many migrants would return to their homelands, once they had acquired the financial means to do. And whilst doing that they would contribute to the tax system. But the irrationality of Xyenophobia sets in with the aid of sensational illogical soundbites which mould narrow minded views of bigotry.
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kondorong
Gambia
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Posted - 19 May 2006 : 01:56:09
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Woe. Sister that is hot hard truth. i thought you bark but do not bite. Certainly you have teeth to do so.
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 May 2006 : 08:39:56
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Born Africa and sister omega I agree with alot of what you are saying. Both postings have alot of truth in them.
But Uk is still one of the most tolerant societies in the world for migrants to settle in.
Also I dont agree that we are less welcoming to non whites. The population of Leicester, for example is now almost 50:50 whites and non whites...true the non whites are mainly of asian origin rather than African.....but they are still non white.
The big issue with imigration to uk at the moment is actually more to with eastern europeans...cities are being flood with poles etc....
Now they are part of EU this is allowed without restriction.
A correction the BNP isnot a MIDDLE CLASS organisation. It preys on the fears of ordinary working class people.....who fear being out of work and down the list for their council house etc......
I would like to see anyone who can support themselves and is prepared to work being able to settle in any country in the world they like.
That sounds like utopia to me. WOuldnt it be fantastic?  But even that still leaves the POOR and UNEDUCATED in Africa stuck...... there would still be those awful risky trips by boat.... |
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 19 May 2006 : 09:13:50
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BornAfrican i think you have raised some good points and this is very sensitive. but i think the reaction would be the same in every country in the world. this debate is currently going in the US too. Even in the gambia we often talk about the ''naiks, naari yee ah grand yee'' taking over our country. and we also deport people.
gambiabev i agree with you. i think it all boils down to money. also i dont think Bamba is Entirely right, not all europeans can go to the gambia without a visa! if you're from poland you need a visa or from russia or estonia even as a tourist. maybe even italy,greece, even France? i'll check on it. infact no one is imposing this on us, if we choose to make Brits get a visa tomorrow we can, but then it will also be the end of tourism. its all about bilateral agreements with UK, Holland etc. for example i think even Americans need a visa.
of all the european countries i think UK has the most tolerant society and its migrant population is well established and succesfull. you find africans and indians in every level of society.
Sister Omega i just have one question i think the long term solution is to try and create jobs/ skill training and encourage people to have children not just an open door policy. if migrants are to pay for an aging poulation then what happens when the migrants get old? personally i feel very scared about what is happening in Europe, alots of jobs are going to China and yet more people are coming in.
but you are right, sometimes i wish GRTS would come to europe for one week and do a documentary on life of immigrants so that the youths back home can see the honest reality. |
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Sister Omega
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 May 2006 : 12:38:07
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Njucks because the cost of living is so high in Britain a lot of working and middle class people can't afford to have children before their 30's and early 40's. If they want to buy their own houses, run a car, have all the materials things British society dictates as must haves, they need to be in full-time work to do so. For some people children are not that high up on their priority list, and they place materialism before parenthood.
Gambiabev mentioned Poles flooding cities but isn't it the case that alot of these Poles have experience in the construction industry and are skilled crafts people. With the lack of skilled workers within the construction trade due to the trend of creating more Graduates, skilled blue collar workers are desperately needed in Britain.
As for the Human Rights issue, I think it is only ethical that members of the non-white communities in Britain are allowed to have members of their families visit them, and be allowed to marry people from different parts of the world without being treated as committing the greatest sin of all. Obviously the whole world can't fit in Britain. However because Britain did conquer most of it, and are the champions of democracy policing the world as superheroes  why does Britain cry fowl when people of the world are knocking on the door trying to get in
When European tourist fly around the world in search of sun and sea do they honestly believe that the locals cannot see their riches, and cannot here about their priviledges and don't want to share in a slice of the economic pie? Then Western leaders cry about immigrants flooding through their doors. What needs to happen are well thought out policies for ethical trade, immmigration, and foreign policy not policies built on power and greed.
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 19 May 2006 : 13:21:03
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Originally posted by njucks
sometimes i wish GRTS would come to europe for one week and do a documentary on life of immigrants so that the youths back home can see the honest reality. [/b]
Big approval from my side, njucks!  By the way, BornAfrican: I talked to the documentary director I mentioned in an earlier posting, and he liked my idea. Unfortunately he has very little time at the moment, but he promised to get back to the project, maybe in autumn. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19 May 2006 : 14:35:09
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That would be really good. I have tried to explain the disadvantages of life in Uk to my Gambian friends to give them a more balanced view, but pictures can do this so much better than words.
Also when they hear of uk salaries they think we are all rich. But at the end of the month many people are in debt. Life here is VERY expensive and the pressures are great. |
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