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dbaldeh
USA
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 Posted - 25 Aug 2010 : 11:07:51
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As we all know there appears to be a real bad blood between UDP and PDOIS leadership and militants. These two parties for personality and party conflicts have not been able to see eye to eye and see beyond the interest of the individual parties.
The issues raised by PDOIS is that they are not willing to join a party led coalition and contest against Jammeh under a UDP platform.
UDP on the other hand sees PDOIS as insignificant when it comes to political constituents and indicates that PDOIS only commands 3% of the electorates according to last election results and therefore, the UDP should lead any coalition in the Gambia.
It defies common sense that two parties headed by some of the most level headed Gambians who has sacrificed over half of their lives to Gambia's political progress cannot sit and iron out their difference.
The blame by all means must go to both sides no matter how you look at the issues. Ultimately, it is the interest of the Gambian people that takes precedence over individual party interest.
The question I keep asking and am sure many people have it in their mind, is that:
why can't the UDP with a supposedly large following mobilize the rest of the opposition parties and form a coalition?
Why can't they invite all other opposition leaders like OJ, Hamat Bah, Mai Fatty, and other remnances of the PPP and embark on a nation's tour to challenge President Jammeh on his threat to the Gambian people?
Why is PDOIS holding the UDP back when they only command 3% of the votes in the Gambia?
There is no doubt a vibrant and defiant UDP can mobilize people if their leadership is willing to play the political game the best it could. I agree that sometimes it is not worth sacrificing a leader's life for political gains. However, the leadership doesn't have to risk their lives to engage in harsh political realities.
Why can't the UDP hold press conferences and challenge the APRC's false pretense on so many political issues in the Gambia?
Last but not the least, why can't the UDP act as the leader of all the opposition parties and speak on behalf of everybody anytime there is an issue?
Besides, leadership does not only start with a coalition, it takes time to build trust and allow others to get comfortable with the leader.
It appears there is an unwillingness for the UDP to shoulder the leadership of all the opposition parties and be the voice of the opposition in the Gambia for reasons beyond me...
I hope we can all ask these questions of all political parties and their leaders in an effort to understand the deadlock..
Just my opinion and what do you think?
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Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Aug 2010 : 12:07:44
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Uncle dbaldeh, you are on something worth considering.
"If a spear can not be laid down nor hold in the hand then throw it in the air and see".
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 25 Aug 2010 : 13:54:30
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UDP and its leadership made many blunders in the past chief among which are:
1. Boycotting the first parliamentary election. To me this action gave way to the rubber stamp parliament we have today and probably changed Gambian politics for the foreseeable future.
I know I will be insulted for saying what I am about to say but that has never stopped me from saying what is on my mind.
2. In September 1996 when Mr. Darboe took refuge at the Senegalese High Commission following the declaration of the 1996 pool results he lost a lot of credibility. He claimed he feared for his life; such action speaks volumes for an aspiring leader. Unlike Mr. Darboe, Mr. Sallah decided to go to jail to highlight the injustice of the 2009 witch-hunting. These are the actions one expects to see.
The only answer I have to answer your question: “why UDP cannot mobilize other opposition parties” is what I call the lack of a THICK SKIN STRONG opposition leader like Morgan Tsvangirai of Zimbabwea and Odinga of Kenya.
Military Officers going to war are thought to be ready to lead men in war by brining them along to endure and display quality of fortitude that are beyond the average man’s thought of what he should be expected to do. Military leaders are though to be ready and willing to lead them while they are hungry, uncomfortable and in great danger.
The point am trying to make is that a leader has to first and foremost be ready and willing to face/go thought difficulties/trails while maintaining a level head to gain respect and convenience others to follow.
I promise you this Bro, without seeing the fire in Darboe it will be hard to convince other opposition parties to follow.
Politics in Africa is a theater of war, People have to see the fire that Morgan Tsvangirai of Zimbabwea and Odinga of Kenya have; the lack of a Soldier that is willing and capable to toe the line and face the APRC machinery is the answer to your question.
Trust me seasonal politics is not going to cut it.
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God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
Edited by - terangba on 25 Aug 2010 14:02:58 |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 25 Aug 2010 : 14:15:23
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| teranga - good points. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 25 Aug 2010 : 14:38:46
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terangba,
so, are you saying there is no hope, if not, how do you think we can move from this deadlock?
Be mindful not to fry all fish given to you by turk, you may end up frying ... |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 25 Aug 2010 : 15:38:14
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Janko
You are constantly doing this. I hope you are joking because your imply of me having some kind of hidden agenda is not funny. I have different perspective on Gambia than you and other Gambians. Don't take this as a threat, welcome as a feedback. Besides, others do have brain to understand and judge whatever I post here without your guidance. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25 Aug 2010 : 16:20:19
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quote:
Originally posted by terangba
UDP and its leadership made many blunders in the past chief among which are:
1. Boycotting the first parliamentary election. To me this action gave way to the rubber stamp parliament we have today and probably changed Gambian politics for the foreseeable future.
I agree with the above. The boycott was a big big mistake. I am glad that the UDP leader has accepted responsibility for this blunder even though he and Dembo By-force Bojang were opposed to the idea but were out-voted by the executive. Despite this, he recognised that the buck stops at the leader and decided to accept responsibility.
I respect Terangba's opinion on other issues. However, I fundamentally disagree with him for some of the stuff he stated are not borne by facts. Nevertheless, he is entitled to hold an opinion, an opinion. That is all it is.
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 25 Aug 2010 : 16:51:33
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Nyari, Thanks for taking it easy on me. Please elaborate on what you mean by some of the stuff I stated are not borne by facts. I would love a fruitful discussion
Janko; There is a saying in Mandinka that you do not tell an elder to get up from his seat so that you can sit in his place. I think the current opposition party leaders have to be allowed to retire gracefully and hopefully groom new breeds of politicians to take charge. Seeing GMC on the political scean is a good sign hopefully more will follow.
I am sorry but I do not think there will be any solution to this impasse. 2011 will not be any different from 2005 and 2000. If Gambians truly want to unseat APRC we have a long way to go, the 2005 effort initiated by STGDP and a united new breed in 2012 will be a good sign.
I think the solution is a united front that Gambians on the ground and the Diaspora can rally around.
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God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
Edited by - terangba on 25 Aug 2010 16:57:00 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 00:06:49
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Originally posted by dbaldeh
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The issues raised by PDOIS is that they are not willing to join a party led coalition and contest against Jammeh under a UDP platform.
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The blame by all means must go to both sides no matter how you look at the issues. Ultimately, it is the interest of the Gambian people that takes precedence over individual party interest.
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Why is PDOIS holding the UDP back when they only command 3% of the votes in the Gambia?
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Why can't the UDP hold press conferences and challenge the APRC's false pretense on so many political issues in the Gambia?
YOUR OPINIONS APPEAR TO BE WRONG, BIASED, DECEITFUL OR SMEARING CAMPAIGN AGAINST PDOIS; WHOM IN MY OPINION ARE AMONGST THE HEAVYWEIGHTS LEAGUE OF A DEMOCRATIC PARTY THAT CONDUCTS PROPER POLITICS ON ALL ISSUES THAT AFFECTS IN THE GAMBIA OUR HOMELAND!
I WILL POINT OUT ALL ERRORS OF JUDGEMENT AND WRONG CONCLUSIONS FROM POINTS HIGHLIGHTED RED IN FAVOUR OF PDOIS AND EXPOSED ALL LIES AGAINST THEM
1. REFER ABOVE ON YOUR COMMENT FOR PARTY-LED COALITION AND I HEREBY DECLARE THESE AS CLEAR UNDENIABLE AND IRREFUTABLE FACTS
a. IS THERE ANY EVIDENCE OF PUBLIC INFORMATION OR DECLARATION EITHER BY SPEECH/INTERVIEWS OR PRESS RELEASE FROM UDP(I.E. LEADER LAWYER DARBOE, CORE UDP EXECUTIVE, MANIFESTO & WEBSITE) WHERE ANYONE CAN REFER OR RELY TO SEE THE FACTS OR EVIDENCE THAT; UDP DEMANDED OR WANT TO LEAD A PARTY-LED COALITION AND BETWEEN UDP & PDOIS, PDOIS REJECTS THE PROPOSAL "AND PDOIS ARE NOT WILLING TO JOIN A PARTY-LED COALITION AND CONTEST AGAINST JAMMEH UNDER A UDP PLATFORM" = YOUR OPINION IS WRONG, A VERY SERIOUS ALLEGATION & DISTORTION OF THE FACTS!
b. PDOIS PROPOSED A PARTY-LED COALITION DURING NEGOTIATIONS FOR NADD & THE NEED FOR A COALITION OF ALL OPPOSITION PARTIES.FOR EXTRACTS BELOW AS THE ONLY AVAILABLE PUBLIC INFORMATION FOR A PROPOSAL ON A PARTY-LED COALITION; PLEASE RE-VISIT Discourse With Halifa Sallah http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8329
HALIFA QUESTIONED2. "Is it correct that there is insincerity among heads of opposition leaders? " HE RESPONDED; "No one has any grounds to accuse any one of insincerity. The Leader of the NDAM and the Interim Secretary General of the PPP were part of the UDP Alliance in 2001 and things fell apart after the elections. The NRP had even taken over the blue colour of the PPP when it was banned in 1996. Hence the animosities were already there. Each had an interest to pursue. Just like constitutions protect people with diverse interest NADD created principles, procedures and institutions which could foster unity been diversity. We contested elections and won them irrespective of the antagonistic contradictions between some of the leaders. Each just behaved as expected. Those who felt disappointed are those who expected more than what NADD was worth. Neither PDOIS nor my humble self regrets being part of NADD. We were constantly accused of putting ideological purity over the need to unite to bring about change in the Gambia.
We sacrificed everything to prove our critics wrong. Now we can move about with a clear conscience. I proposed a party led alliance to be formed six months before the 2006 Presidential election which is in line with the Agenda of the UDP but none of the parties endorsed it. We also agreed to hold a primary incase of an impasse none of the parties proposed to have it. There is need for each to draw vital lessons and move away from passing moral judgments. As the old saying goes those who live in glass houses should not throw stones." = THEREFORE YOU MADE A FALSE STATEMENT ON A PARTY-LED COALITION AGAINST PDOIS
WILL CONTINUE ON OTHER THREE POINTS HIGHLIGHTED RED FROM YOUR STATEMENTS LATER!
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terangba
Egypt
225 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 03:08:23
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| Kobo I think the objective of this thread is to discuss Why Can't UDP Mobilize Other Opposition Parties. It is high time to start discussing solutions/alternatives. |
God gave men dominion over the beasts and not over his fellow men unless they submit of their own free will. - Napoleon |
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dbaldeh
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 08:54:44
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Kobo, here you go again being defensive on minor points instead of looking at the bigger picture and what is better for the Gambia.
I am on record here praising Halifa not on the superiority of his political merits but the quality he demonstrates as a human being.
However, it is time we look in the mirror and critic ourselves against principle that will not take our political struggle further.
I have personally told Halifa in a meeting that he cannot expect to continue to do the same thing and expect different results... He wasn't happy about it but it was a bitter truth.
In effect, you and everyone else knows the problem PDOIS has with UDP leading a coalition is the party platform. You can be in denial but this is a fact and PDOIS insiders will tell you "we will never join a UDP led party".
Secondly, you know Halifa compromised his principles and gave his critics some red meat when he as a coordinator accepted to lead NADD. Even though it was probably right for him to accept a selection, but knowing that there was already a disintergration and that whatever the blame is the coordinator cannot be left out he still went ahead and accepted a nomination knowing NADD wasn't going to win.
It is beyond my imagination for the Halifa I know with integrity, political consciousness and decently to accept to contest an election which will forever taint him as among those struggling for power. He would have been the hero to decline that nomination and allow others to contest the elections in fragments and lose badly as they all did. He would have been the hero once again.
Beside, Kobo no matter how much Halifa and PDOIS explains their position right or wrong they will never be able to convince opponents that they are right... It is history that will judge whether they are in fact right or wrong.
Kobo, I have been privillege to be part of a group of Gambians trying to urge political dialogue, human rights and freedom of press in the Gambia, but time and again, we have come across obstacles from political leaders base on principle that has no positive impact on Gambia's political situation...
So as Terangba said, the topic was meant to discuss the problems and hopefully map out a solution for the future.
It is hard to accept, but it is a fact that Darboe is on his last chance to contest elections in the Gambia. Halifa is not far from there either.
So what political legacy does these brave citizens want to leave behind?
Does Halifa wants to be remembered for his sacrifice for the Gambia or does he wants to be remembered standing on the way of a political coalition that will give Gambians a chance to vote the curent regime out?
Does Darboe want to be remembered for leading the UDP to victory against Jammeh with a coalition of all political parties, or does he wants to be remembered for being the leader of the UDP that wants it all at the expense of the Gambian people?
How would history remember these folks who we have continously urged to put their differences aside and give the Gambian people a chance to change their Goverment?
No matter what side of the political spectrum you are on, it must bother you to know that these political leaders, Darboe and Halifa mainly cannot see eye to eye because of ideology and personality.
For the record, I am not speaking for anyone, I am speaking for myself as an independent citizen and I have said the same words to Darboe and Halifa. History will be the judge on who is on the right side of history, but certainly these people are standing on the way of political coalition in the Gambia.
I have no political loyalty to any particular party or candidate!!! Anything that obstructs a chance for Gambians to take back their god given political right is a turn off for me... There is no single citizen in the Gambia who is in expendable politically!!!
Take your side and run with it!!! |
Baldeh,
"Be the change you want to see in the world" Ghandi
Visit http://www.gainako.com for your daily news and politics |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 10:15:49
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Demba,
In my opinion a party led opposition coalition led by the biggest party (UDP) is the solution to the impasse. However, that doesn’t mean that smaller parties can’t make demands and conditions. There has to be compromises on issues. The UDP shouldn’t expect to get the leadership on a silver plate, they have to show that they are capable of negotiating in extreme situations. Perhaps they are doing that under the surface but they are not showing that at the moment. Regular press briefings are lacking.
I would suggest other parties to demand agreements on the following:
- Constitutional reforms; making presidential term limits to two
- Local Government reform (greater autonomy)
- The national economy (how to re-invest the revenue generated by institutions such as the NRA, GPA, SSHFC etc).
- Education reform
- The Energy sector
- Agriculture
- Security forces
- The Judiciary & the rule of law
- International relations etc...
The Opposition should also think beyond the presidential elections because national assembly elections are as important.
Please note that I speak for myself and not for any party or organisation.
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kobo
United Kingdom
7765 Posts |
Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 10:41:03
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Originally posted by terangba
Kobo I think the objective of this thread is to discuss Why Can't UDP Mobilize Other Opposition Parties. It is high time to start discussing solutions/alternatives.
WHAT ABOUT STARTING THREAD WITH DECEITFUL, DISINGENUOUS, FALSE PROPAGANDA BULLYING PDOIS/HALIFA ALL TIMES
WHY OTHER OPPOSITION PARTIES ONLY ELIMINATING, DIS-CREDITING & DIS-QUALIFYING PDOIS/HALIFA
WOULD QUALIFYING OPINION WITH LIES AND DISTORTION OF FACTS HELP I AM JUST POINTING OUT FACTS AND PROPER SOURCES TO ADDRESS STANCE OF PDOIS/HALIFA!
dBaldeh am not on the defence but to expose the FACTS & TRUTH! No amount revision of opinion or appeasement of Halifa/PDOIS would help to justify YOUR FALSE STATEMENT/PROPAGANDA TO SUPPORT OR PROMOTE UDP AGENDA WITH YOUR COMMENT THAT; "The issues raised by PDOIS is that they are not willing to join a party led coalition and contest against Jammeh under a UDP platform."
AFTER RE-VISITING DISCOURSE WITH HALIFA TO PROOF MY POINT EARLIER, PLEASE RE-VISIT 2.Halifa: THE WAY FORWARD FOR DEMOCRATIC CHANGE under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8158
QUOTES; "There are three options before us. Two of the options have already been tried. The UDP, NRP and GPDP have already tried the Party led Alliance. Instead of the votes of the alliance increasing the opposite was the order of the day. Secondly, the creation of an umbrella party by taking the initiative to merge all opposition parties into one political force, has also failed. The only option is the third one which calls for the formation of a broad coalition of the people who will demand to have only one presidential candidate to contest the seat and demand for all parties to sit and work out an agenda to make that possible and to isolate any party which refuses to accept the Agenda. An electoral Alliance under which one presidential, National Assembly and council candidate will be put to contest against the APRC candidates in the 2011 Presidential, 2012 National Assembly and 2013 council elections must be demanded by the people and imposed on opposition parties or punish them for non compliance with their dictates. The candidates do not necessarily have to come from political parties. They could be distinguished members of civil society. We SIMPLY need honest, mature and dedicated PERSONS who would preside over a transition lasting between 2 to 5years to give the country a new start. This is the way forward." HALIFA SALLAH/PDOIS
ALL I AM ASKING FROM YOU dBaldeh PLEASE, REFER ME YOUR SOURCE OF PUBLIC INFORMATION ON THE FIRST OBSERVATION I MADE AND STOP DISCREDITING PDOIS/HALIFA, THE HEARSAY, GOSSIPS, RUMOUR MONGERING, ASSUMPTIONS, ALLEGATIONS & COUNTER ALLEGATIONS TO SUPPORT YOUR POINTS & STATEMENTS
ALSO WE CAN FORWARD THESE GENUINE EFFORTS BY PDOIS/HALIFA ON RECORD AS PUBLIC INFORMATION;
1. HALIFA WAS QUESTIONED "3. "Why would anybody think that if Hamat Bah or Lawyer Darboe is voted in would lead to a self perpetuating government? " HE DEMONSTRATED A CLEAR MATURE POLITICIAN AND THE HONOUR THEY DESERVE WHEN HE RESPONDED; "No one should accuse them before they assume the office. ....."
2. DID YOU OVER-SIGHT THIS INITIATIVE"PDOIS wrote to UDP before its Congress to indicate to them that the party was waiting for the resolution of the UDP Congress on inter party unity in order to know what form of Alliance could be forged for 2011. " FROM RELATED Bantaba Gambian politics topic PDOIS Press Release after the UDP congress under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=9341
PLEASE STOP THIS PROPAGANDA OF DIVISIVE POLITICS & FUELLING MORE DISCORD BETWEEN OPPOSITION PARTIES; AS THEY SHARE A COMMON GOAL AND GAMBIA THE MOTHERLAND BELONGS TO ALL OF US
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shaka
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 14:29:56
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| Party-led coalitition. Are you kidding me? You might as well suggest a diaspora-led fundraising to buy weapons to sponsor an arms insurgency to topple The Sheikh's government or invest in the disgruntled section of the military to help carry out this task. It is one and the same thing. Highjack our feeble democracy and hand it over to another group of the political divide, clasp your hand in prayer and hope they will be better than APRC government. This is insane. It just beats the imagination to think that people who suffered over a decade of strife and tribulation under one dictatorship would advocate for another autocracy simply because there is a shift in leadership. To think that getting rid of Jammeh and handing office to a different leadership with the same authoritarian powers vested on The Sheikh will change everything for the better overnight, amounts to living in fools paradise. A party-led coalition ushered into office by highjacking our democracy does not automatically change anything, certainly not the constitution it inherited. Any change in such a 'close your eyes and pray, hoping that when you open them the proverbial paradise awaits you' scenario is subject to the whims and caprices of the leading party. How, what, when or where change aught to be effected becomes just a mere wish for the led. Get real! There is no provision in the present constitution that stipulates that a break-up of any such coalition will dissolve parliament or nullify government. There is not is even a provision for a second round of voting in the event that no party wields the majority vote for goddamn sake. What planet are you people living in. Why would you want to sleep walk into autocracy yet again? A party-led led coalition in a system without a second round of voting is a friggin non starter. And don't tell me a UDP-led coalition will definitely be better than the APRC government because they are wishy-washy do-gooders. I'd rather stick with the devil i know. How many of you have honestly predicted that tryanny would be unleashed on the Gambian people by "the soldiers with a difference" from the onset of the July 22 coup d'etat? Those who have atleast publicly and steadfastly forewarned about a potential heavy handed dictatorship in the wake of the AFPRC military coup are yet again warning against a repeat of the same mistake. And i stand side by side with such visionaries. Once shy twice a fool. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 14:38:00
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turk: shaka - great input. I might as well....
Janko to shaka: Be mindful not to fry all fish given to you by turk, you may end up frying ... |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 26 Aug 2010 : 15:04:29
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Gambia has a presidential based government system more like US, France (Semi-Presidential). Not like UK, Canada, Turkey, Germany. Multi-Party led coalition works in Westminster System. Parties form coalition after the election or before the election as they participate election as united front. For example, in Turkey, Party A enter the election for under Party B in some ridings as there is a requirement for parties to get more than 10 % vote in order to get a member to be elected. Smaller parties form pre-election coalition in order to overcome this requirement. After the election, elected members go back to their own party as a member can change the political party. In this type of coalition, after government is formed, individual parties still have power in the coalition because if they do not support government, prime-minister can't get legislation to work for example. But in presidential system, once president is elected, smaller parties do not have any influence/power on the president anymore. Unless there is an agreement to share the government ministers for example, the attorney general will be from PDOIS but the presidential candidate will be from UDP.
I am not sure Gambian constitution is flexible for these options. It looks like there are too much blood and differences in parties in Gambia, I am not sure the unity in opposition will be accomplished. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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