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kobo
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 02:03:18
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1. Where is it indicated that certain tokens/votes were rejected (i.e.invalid votes); reasons for any difference or results qualified with a detailed report from I.E.C Please produce any detailed report/source to substantiate your facts
2. Any data for KOMBO NORTH & ILLIASA Please provide them to make these results complete and more reliable
3. Finally am done on this topic because what more can be said from Senegambia News article under 4. below; against
"faceless steering committee" & "The diaspora loud mouths in the mean time dare not even venture beyond Yoff Airport."
4. As debate continue we captured latest update from Senegambia News:War of words between UDP & PDOIS supporters: The blame game continues under http://www.senegambianews.com/article/Politics/Politics/War_of_words_between_UDP_PDOIS_supporters_The_blame_game_continues/19071
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 11:41:48
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We can't keep on crying over spilt milk all these years and beyond. That’s definitely not the way forward in order to create a strong opposition alliance for the 2011 elections.
I presented the 2001 Niani votes to show that even the “Official” IEC version can be questionable.
I doubt this Halifa hate campaign is the official UDP strategy because Halifa is not the one trampling on their rights in present day Gambia.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 13:01:45
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Momodou, once again thank you for your posting. I think you have misrepresented what UDP-UK is doing here. This is not a hate campaign. It is about rectifying a misleading and vilifying information that Halifa have put-out in the media against the UDP. In it, he claimed that UDP had registered a drop of approximately 80,000 votes from their 2001 score in 2006 presidential election and attributed this to the type of alliance they [UDP] adopted in 2006. All what the UDP-UK has done is that they dismissed the 80,000 claim as an exaggeration and going by both the official figures, the figures given by the UDP Secretariat and even the figures presented by Halifa himself, this has proven to be the case .However, they [udp-uk] did admitted that UDP had drop in votes in 2006 but again dismissed Halifa's claim that this is due to the type of alliance they adopted in 2006. Instead, they cited other factors some of which are in conformity with the conventional wisdom. They didn't say UDP would have won but for these factors but only that they would have done better without them. So, I can't see why you would call this ''hate campaign''. This is just a response to an attack from Halifa himself. I would call it fair comment. Besides, why would anyone like to mount a hate campaign against an insignificant political figure like Halifa? You guys need to chill-out.
On the Naini issue, you must remember that that result sheet is not where figures are being calculated. It is where final results are being inputted, and as I have indicated in my last posting, all the parties had been allocated their share of the votes. If anyone wants to question his/her party's allocated share or indeed anything connected to the results, you would have to go to court. Otherwise, it makes no difference whatever your opinion. The results stand as official and authoritative. That is how it works in very democratic society. It is simply the rules and they are not susceptible to any circumvention whatsoever.
I think we are going in circle here as there are no new arguments coming forward. All the arguments so far highlighted in favour of Halifa have been addressed and effectively rendered completely obsolete. I therefore wait new ones. If none is forthcoming, I shall be putting my case to rest as I now believe that the readership have been well served and informed on this matter.
Thanks
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 13:37:01
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Thanks for trying to clarify about these past election figures. It is well understood from this end.
However, why all the quagmire if you believe Halifa is an insignificant political figure? Many of your comments here have so far been the contrary and I hope Suntu honestly agrees with you that there is no hate campaign against Halifa. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 13:52:03
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Originally posted by Momodou
Thanks for trying to clarify about these past election figures. It is well understood from this end.
However, why all the quagmire if you believe Halifa is an insignificant political figure?.
Like I said above, it is fair comment.
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 18:52:03
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Originally posted by Nyarikangbanna
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I think we are going in circle here as there are no new arguments coming forward. All the arguments so far highlighted in favour of Halifa have been addressed and effectively rendered completely obsolete. I therefore wait new ones. If none is forthcoming, I shall be putting my case to rest as I now believe that the readership have been well served and informed on this matter.
NONE IS GOING IN CIRCLES BUT YOUR FIXATE ON HATE & SMEARING CAMPAIGN AGAINST HALIFA! YOU THE ONE WITH DISTORTION OF STATEMENTS, ISSUES & POINTS RAISED BY HALIFA SALLAH.
IT IS ALSO NOTED THAT ONE CAN QUESTION RELIABILITY OF I.E.C FIGURES ON 2001 PRESIDENTIAL ELECTIONS IF THERE ARE NO DATA FOR KOMBO NORTH & ILLIASSA.
A FITTING RESPONSE CAPTURED FROM SENEGAMBIA NEWS WEBSITE IS POSTED AS CHALLENGE FOR FACELESS STEERING COMMITTEE UDP-UK ; Senegambia News:War of words between UDP & PDOIS supporters: The blame game continues under http://www.senegambianews.com/article/Politics/Politics/War_of_words_between_UDP_PDOIS_supporters_The_blame_game_continues/19071
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 Feb 2010 : 21:10:27
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Topic started from with opinions from Steering Committee UDP-UK culled from Freedom online newspaper; with a good response by Momodou Nyang addressed from Senegambia News website in posts above.
Senegambia News with Steering Committee UDP-UK under http://www.senegambianews.com/article/Politics/Politics/UDPUK_Chapter_Commends_Senegambia_News/19074
Latest opinions on related topic from same Freedom online newspaper Gambia: Agenda 2011: leaders of opposition parties must do the right thing ….Calls For Opposition Unity By Jeggan Grey-Johnson under http://www.freedomnewspaper.com/Homepage/tabid/36/mid/367/newsid367/4906/Gambia-Agenda-2011--leaders-of-opposition-parties-must-do-the-right-thing/Default.aspx
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"The urgency for the opposition parties in Gambia to be responsible to all Gambians has therefore arrived. Proposals have been bandied about, on the processes and procedures of a formulation of a party of national unity. Debates have been had, tempers have flared, and passions stirred and yet, there have not been any signs that the clarion call by many Gambians for a united opposition will be answered. This is the first hurdle that must be stepped over. The fact that UDP and NRP are paying lip service to unity, and doing the complete opposite, signals the power lust for leadership even before they’ve reached State House. What will they do, as individuals, when they get there? The time to build a much needed public trust is now.
Some of the leaders in political opposition like Sallah and Jallow, have shown that The Gambia is greater than their own parties, and even themselves. Albeit that some would argue that PDIOS, and PPP are marginal parties, and do not have a choice but to abstain from leadership posturing. However, this does not hold water. The political process in The Gambia has deteriorated over the last fifteen years. The statistics tell us that.
The electorate in 2006 sent a strong message signaling disgust at the bickering. Voter turnout was the lowest in the history of the Second Republic: only 58 percent of voters bothered to cast their ballot, as compared to 2001 (89%) and 1996 (88%); all this at the behest of an over bearing and intransigent attitude of leaders who seem desperate to get to the State House as individuals instead of representatives of a people.
And the people have seen and responded to this, by rejecting both UDP and NRP, who withdrew from the NADD alliance after it signed to join it at the Wadner Beach Hotel meeting. As a result, both UDP and NRP suffered the greatest loss in 2006, their numbers dipped by 15 percent, whilst PPP and PDOIS (strangest of bedfellows) increased their tally by 100 percent, (from 3% to 6%)." |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 13 Feb 2010 : 20:03:01
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Thank you Gainako news for discovering UDP Votes in 2001 Presidential Elections: What are the Correct Figures? under http://www.gainako.com/news/news/2010/02/13/udp-votes-in-2001-presidential-elections-what-are-the-correct-figures.html
"The bone of contention of the UDP rejoinder was this statement from Halifa Sallah in an article - "The Way Forward for Democratic Change", in which he wrote: " ...Instead of adding votes from the NRP and GDP, the UDP led alliance lost approximately 80,000 votes. In short, while UDP had approximately 145,000 votes in 2001 presidential elections, in 2006 it ended up with approximately 104,000 votes. NRP had approximately 35, 000 votes in 2001. This did not feature in the votes of the UDP led alliance in 2006. Hence putting the three parties together did not lead to more votes; on the contrary it led to a lower number of votes. There is no empirical evidence to indicate that the same tactic will yield a different outcome".
There appear to be an keyboard error between 149,448 and the approximation Halifa referred as "approximately 145,000"? Halifa maintained 149,448 from publish sources and subtantiated on them always logically to prove a point on the expectations or performance of U.D.P/N.R.P Alliance!
Please refer;
1. Related Bantaba Gambian politics topic Discourse With Halifa Sallah under http://www.gambia.dk/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=8329
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""After the resignation of Darboe and the pulling out of UDP and NRP the issue of numbers did not arise since the committee established to nominate a Presidential candidate did agree unanimously to select me. Rejecting their nomination was not a responsible option. It is also important to point out that NADD was not preoccupied with the number of votes a person had in previous elections but was formed to ensure that our collective strength could enable an electable candidate to win. The facts revealed by the results of the 2006 Presidential elections confirm that numbers do not always add up. In short, in the 1999 -2002 report of the IEC which was submitted to the National Assembly it is stated that the UDP leader had 149,448 votes while the NRP leader had 35,671 votes. The expectation was that if the two parties formed an alliance in 2006 they will get an equivalent of their two results in the 2001 Presidential elections which amounted to 185,119.
When the two parties left NADD and formed their Alliance along with GPDP, the UDP led Alliance managed to get 104,808 and not the 185,119 votes anticipated. However when the NADD took part in bye elections before its disintegration, it had the upper hand in popular votes. Numbers do count sometimes. However under given circumstances it is tactics that bring the numbers. That is how Tumani Touray became the President of Mali. He met parties with majorities but he was the electable candidate and won on an Independent ticket. We must find out what the people want to succeed."
2. FOROYAA Online - HALIFA SALLAH COMMENTS AFTER THE APRC TOUR NO CREDIBLE RULING PARTY NO CREDIBLE OPPOSITION A NEW WAY FORWARD NEEDED - National News - Newspaper under http://www.foroyaa.gm/modules/news/article.php?storyid=4447
"Interestingly enough, in 2001 the APRC candidate had 242,302 votes when it forged no alliance with the NCP. At that time there were 501,304 registered voters. Suffice it to say, even though the number of voters increased by 169032, by 2006 the votes of the APRC could only increase by 22,102 votes. The UDP candidate had 149,448 votes in 2001. Even though it developed alliance with NRP, which had 35,671 votes in 2001, its votes went down 104,808 votes in the 2006 elections, despite the increase in the number of registered voters by 169032 voters."
Courtesy of Shaka!
"149,448+35,678(UDP/NRP 2001 votes) less 104,000(UDP/NRP 2006 votes) is approximately 80,000 vote. To appologise for your mistake is not cowardice. Do the decent thing for once and stop the clowning man"
MISSION ACCOMPLI!
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shaka
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Posted - 16 Feb 2010 : 00:05:41
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| Kobo, it has always been evident that every time Nyari slip into his delirious trance of trying to prove Mr Sallah wrong, he always end up in one place- with his head stuck down a public pit latrine. I do not know what it take for a man to be shameful about defecating himself in public on numerous occasions but what i do know is that, a continued display of an obsession with a personality to the point of latching onto their every word and painfully straining to find an error in every utterance they made is not only abnormal but it is sick. Who said Halifa Sallah is human? The boy Nyari is certainly not well. And he wants you to take the IEC to court for errors on its website and all. I wonder what is the constitutional liability in such errors. Any lawyers out there? |
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shaka
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Posted - 16 Feb 2010 : 02:47:16
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Originally posted by kobo
Latest from Freedom online newspaper related to this topic; Gambia: Perspectives - Gambia: Contours for a roadmap. Part I By Haruna Darbo, Atlanta Georgia under http://www.freedomnewspaper.com/Homepage/tabid/36/mid/367/newsid367/4910/Gambia-Perspectives---Gambia-Contours-for-a-roadmap-Part-I/Default.aspx
Why does this imbecile take so much solace in intellectual masturbation and fruitless academic exercise. What is in this write up apart from stating the obvious? You discredit every opinion put forward as a possible way forward for a united opposition as "ill-considered solution" only to serve us with this tosh. ABCDE..... A comes before a B, E before F and Y before Z in the alphabetical order. And so fcuking what? Substance? Substance? Substance? It is not how you gussy up your words that is of significance, it is the substance they wield, Mr Darbo and we have got nowt. You got to have so much time to yourself. Go get laid or something.
http://www.senegambianews.com/article/Politics/Politics/Perspectives_Gambia_Contours_of_a_Roadmap_to_victory_Part_II/19081
Here we go again!! "Any party or alliance which does not hold at least three rallies, with or without APRC junta permit between now and their congress, will not be awarded any part of funds collected for party congresses." What??? Is this man well? Where the fcuk has the UDP been for the last four years while Jammeh and his thugs killed, maimed, poisoned and persecuted Gambians everyday? Somehow they suddenly marshalled enough testosterone to lead a new gung ho campaign. It is that season again isn't? They hibernate for four years and suddenly come alive durring the election season. Pathetic!!! Now they want our bututs too to fund their season. Are Gambians short of good opinions that we are served with this loony tunes. These UDP freaks know how to pull an irritating wind up, don't they?
http://www.senegambianews.com/article/Politics/Politics/GDP_boss_Haruna_Darbo_talks_direct_to_opposition_leaders_in_part_III_of_his_political_roadmap_to_expel_Yahya_Jammeh_from_State_House/19085
And the solution that is so good that all others are "ill-considered" Mr Darboe??? We still waiting. It is interesting how ridiculously plain and ordinary you sound when you dress down the words. And i don't mean you have an ounce of humility in you. Even the choir is sickened by your empty preaching by now. We have been hoping that the elusive original idea that you have tucked under your sleeve will finally crop up in part three only to get this: "UDP/NRP can hold meetings and rallies in NADD and GMC strongholds, NADD can hold meetings and rallies in UDP/NRP and GMC strongholds, and GMC can hold meetings in NADD and UDP/NRP strongholds. What this will do is to magnify the reach of each of your platforms and I declare the voter will make the connection of the similarity in your ideals and programmes for Gambia." What clueless. Oh i give up. |
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turk
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Posted - 16 Feb 2010 : 03:28:39
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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shaka
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Posted - 16 Feb 2010 : 21:27:58
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Originally posted by turk
I got dizzy.
Steady on. I have not even started yet. |
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