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Janko
Gambia
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 Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 02:36:04
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No, no not one more time, please!
Time is not on our side for this monotonous stagnation
We have an alternative budget proposition to present
This can not be “the way forward”
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Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 11:43:09
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Janko, you have spoken the truth. But when the most educated Gambian thinks, he is also able to commit errors and that no one will dare notice it, we have no option but to correct it.
As for his students, i feel for them. If all they can do is bad mouth and insult, then our case is close. Our decency wouldn't allow us to respond in such an irresponsible manner.
Some of them are suffering mild heart attack, but there is nothing we can do about it. Seriously Modou Nyang should have save his mentor and dispute the figures, but all he did was try to play down the impact of Halifa's actions.
Ousainou trutsted Halifa and his role has the coordinator of NADD, but in truth, that was a big mistake. Halifa's obession with been seen as the problem solver of Gambia means that if he was not given a sweet to munch, he wouldn't have accept to be part of NADD. Halifa has completely aleinated the other PDOIS guys. I feel sorry for them.
Sam Sarr, Sidia, Adama Bah etc all carry his bags for him, he is the thinker, the everything. This is why the other leaders in PDOIS need to look at the future of that party.
Janko, your wished will come true God-Willing.
Hey Guys, one taleban would have sorted out Yahya. If Halifa can emulate the goorilah style of his communist fellows, may be Yahya would have a deal with him, just like he did it with him during the military days.
No bad mouthing guys. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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maple
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 15:52:58
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| Hej all, I have been following some postings on the bantaba and some topics do get so personal. Well as Gambians and prospecting for a developed and properous country both in physical and human capital development we should be accomodative of varying views and respect others' views and positions whilst at the same safeguarding our own positions. I recommend this book for your reading to add to our understanding the strenght of Diaspora citizens and how it impact the growth of the some Asian Economies and how we can mobilise our varying know hows to help the economic growth and development of mother Gambia as government alone cant do all the job. The New Argonauts: Regional Advantage in a Global Economy by Anna-Lee Saxenian. |
"Don't waste your time with explanations: people only hear what they want to hear" Paulo Coelho. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 18:07:10
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Originally posted by Kitabul Arerr
The UDP website is a joke!
http://udpgambia.com/index.html
http://udpgambia.com/involved.html
http://udpgambia.com/manifesto.html
http://udpgambia.com/links.html
Nothing to "open call[collar?] about.............................................................................lol!
Kitabul Arerr, My understanding is that the UDP website is being developed. They are not finish working on it yet. So please be patient. This website is not yet in full swing.
You may now, if you would be kind enough, turn the focus back on the topic in discussion.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
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Kitabul Arerr
Gambia
645 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 20:33:24
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This was just my 2cent subscribe on the topic, Nyarikangbanna. There's no deviation from the arguments here, as far as I'm concerned. The Gambia's undisputed main opposition party, with all it's manifestos, cannot publish a full report of it's agenda, on it's own website, is mindboggling. Not even a post about the UDP's manifesto, on it's own platform, website, http://udpgambia.com/manifesto.html was a dissapointment. It's like UDP's stalled in time. Sending soundbites/snippets of it's own agenda to random websites, squatting in cyberspace, is unprofessional and ludiculous.
I genuinely hope UDP develops a modern website, with a professional content management framework. The era of index.html websites is obsolete (for organisations anyway). Again, just my 2cent......................................lol!
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The New Gambia - Stronger Together! |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 20:51:59
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Note that there were 105% voter turnout in Niani in 2001 according to the IEC. The EC published results show a total of 7877 votes cast against a total number 7464 registered votes.
The following was posted at Gambia-L on Wed, 5 Dec 2001
Click on the link below to read the Analysis.
A 34 page-long paper on "The October 2001 presidential election in The Gambia" By Dr Abdoulie Saine
http://listserv.icors.org/SCRIPTS/WA-ICORS.EXE?A2=GAMBIA-L;%2F3Ho1g;200112051531410500
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THE RESULTS
Contrary to public fears in The Gambia and abroad, the presidential election was peaceful. With a voter turnout of approximately 80%, Gambians lined up under a scorching sun to vote for their next president. Jammeh’s APRC won 52.96 percent of the vote, (55.76 percent in 1996) as opposed to the coalition’s 33.67 percent in 2001, and (the United Democratic Party’s 35.84 percent) in 1996. Hamat Bah (NRP) polled 8%, Sheriff Dibba (NCP) 4%, and Sidia Jatta (PDOIS) polled 3% of the total vote (The Point, October 20, 2001)
Table 1. Voting results 2001 presidential election
Candidate(s) Party Votes %
Yahya Jammeh (APRC) 242,302 (52.96%)
Ousainou Darboe (UDP/PPP/GPP) 149,448 (33.67 %)
Hamat Bah (NRP) 35,678 (7.80 %)
Sheriff Dibba (NCP) 17,271 ( 3.78 %)
Sidia Jatta (PDOIS) 13,841 ( 2. 86 %)
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Total 458,540 (80%)
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Source: national press
International observers declared the elections “free and fair” and Darboe later conceded defeat to president-elect, Jammeh.
The voting pattern indicated that Jammeh won forty-one of the forty-eight constituencies nationwide, including former opposition strongholds of Jarra East, West and Central, Kiang East and Kiang Central and Darboe’s home constituency of Upper Fulladu West. Of the seven remaining constituencies, Darboe won six and Bah (NRP) won one, his home constituency of Upper Saloum, the only presidential candidate to do so. Jammeh also defeated Dibba (NCP) and Jatta (PDOIS) in their home constituencies.
Equally significant, is that Jammeh also swept the constituencies of Banjul South, North and Central, once opposition strongholds. Many expected that the vote against Jammeh would be overwhelming in these constituencies, in part, because of increased urban hardships and high youth unemployment. The voting pattern also suggests that Jammeh’s support was broad based, especially in the rural areas. Here, it was expected that Jammeh would not do well because of dissatisfaction over the government’s poor handling of a bumper groundnut harvest and rocketing food prices. While Darboe won Bakau and Basse, two major towns, Jammeh won the more densely populated urban centers of Serrekunda and Brikama.
Jammeh’s victory would, however, be tainted by accusations of cross-border voting and allegations of inflated voter registers, despite commendations from the Commonwealth Observer Group. Less than a week after conceding defeat, Darboe strongly attacked the EC and its Chairman for what he called “inept and corrupt” handling of voter registration in which non-Gambians were issued voter cards (The Observer, October 25, 2001). As proof, Darboe presented a Senegalese national to the press who possessed both a Senegalese ID card and a Gambian voter’s card.
The data also indicate a discrepancy in the number of registered voters and votes cast in Niani Constituency on election day.
The EC published results show a total of 7877 votes cast against a total number 7464 registered votes. This, Darboe contends, is proof that the EC actually carried out “extra registration of non-Gambian voters who were then sent to various constituencies throughout the country to vote. This gave the APRC an unfair advantage over the opposition parties” (The Observer, October 25, 2001).
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A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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shaka
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Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 21:29:39
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| If you try to preach morals to me again Santa, i swear i am not going to take kindly to it, you frigging Taliban. Did i not tell you if there is a hell, its hottest embers are reserved for you. Why don't you sort out your terrible inferiority complex instead worrying about who is the most educated Gambian. If all the best education cannot enhance your basic common sense, it is little wonder why you are reduced to such a robot and despicable hypocrite. Just a few months ago we can all testify to your claims of supporting no party, only for you to morhph into a poisoned tongue UDP fanatic. A pathetic figure of ridicule. And you want to teach me morals. NINGH'E TILLO FADI!!! Don't piss me off ok. |
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shaka
996 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 21:34:06
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| Thanks stating the obvious Momodou. They don't come more clueless than IEC. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 22:00:46
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Momodou, thank you for your posting. Like i said in one of my postings above, IEC declared results unless successfully challenged in a court of law are the official and authoritative results and that is by virtue of our constitution which is the supreme law of our land. You can quote all sort of sources, if it is not the IEC and doesn't match their figures, They are not authoritative. Hence, not fit for purpose. I would therefore suggest that you visit the IEC's official website [www.iec.gm] and grab the official results for us.
Even if we are to go by the figures of your unofficial source [149,448]which by the way also contradicts Halifa's figure[145,000], it would appear that UDP lost only 45,448 votes in 2006, not Halifa's embellished firgure of 80,000. The mathamatics is simple; 149,448-104,000=45,448. It therefore looks like there is no doubt left here in respect of Halifa's deceit.
I also recommend that you revisit my earlier comments on unoffocial sources as reproduced below;
''IEC is the official body responsible for conducting, counting and releasing official election results by virtue of the Gambian constitution. Unless successfully challenged in a court of law, whatever election results they declared is not only official but also legally and constitutionally authoritative.
I do not know where the UDP-UK got its figures from but it certainly matches with the official version. Without a successful legal challenge, only a retard will question the authenticity of IEC's declared results.
I spoke to somebody closely connected to the UDP last week and just yesterday, he called back to say he had personally checked the figures with the UDP Secretariat and they too have confirmed the UDP-UK figures. They said [according to my source] it matches with their own kept records.
Even if we are to go by Halifa's figures [145,000], it would appear that UDP lost only 41,000 votes in 2006, not Halifa's embellished firgure of 80,000. The mathamatics is simple; 145,000-104,000=41,000. It therefore looks like there is no doubt left here in respect of Halifa's deceit.''-Nyarikangbanna
I hope this helps.
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Momodou
Denmark
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shaka
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Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 23:23:41
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| 149,448+35,678(UDP/NRP 2001 votes) less 104,000(UDP/NRP 2006 votes) is approximately 80,000 vote. To appologise for your mistake is not cowardice. Do the decent thing for once and stop the clowning man. |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 05 Feb 2010 : 23:27:13
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Originally posted by Momodou
The IEC published results for Niani in 2001 show a total of 7877 votes cast against a total number 7464 registered votes. A 105% voter turnout.
http://www.iec.gm/files/images/PRESIDENTIAL_ELECTIONS_2001.pdf
If it stands legally unchallenged, it is by virtue of our constitution official and authoritative. But the official results is not the only issue here.As I have indicated in previous postings, even if we are to go by Halifa's own figure and now your unofficial figures which by the way was authored by the discredited Dr Abdoulaye Saine, it still makes no difference. Halifa's 80,000 claim is damn wrong. If we go by his own figure [145,000], UDP's lost would be 41,000, not 80,000 as was claimed by him [Halifa]. If we go by your latest unofficial source's [Dr Abdoulaye Saine] figure [149,448], the lost would still be less than 80,000. It would be 45,448. So clearly, Halifa has been proven to be a complete deciet no matter which source and figure you choose to believe.
By the way, there is also something about Halifa's own electoral perfomance. May be you need to be reminded of that too.
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 06 Feb 2010 12:15:18 |
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
1382 Posts |
Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 00:56:30
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Halifa have said that NRP’s 2001 votes did not feature in UDP’s 2006 votes. This therefore excludes NRP’s votes from the equation as going by the logic, these are votes the UDP never had. This is what Halifa said;
‘‘NRP had approximately 35, 000 votes in 2001. This did not feature in the votes of the UDP led alliance in 2006.’’
However, even if we put NRP’s 2001 votes [32, 198 –official and authoritative] into the equation, it would appear that UDP’s lost would still be less than 80,000, and that point has been made absolutely clear in the UDP-UK’s statement. This is what it said;
‘‘Even if the NRP’s 2001 votes [32,198] are put into the equation, votes which Halifa himself posited did not feature in the UDP votes, the figure is still less than 80,000. It would be 60,980.’’
So with or without NRP votes in the equation, the fact remains the same; Halifa sexed it up.
I have made my point in respect of unofficial sources and figures at least more than once. I would therefore not go back on that and please guys,don't forget about Halifa's electoral performance. That too have been highlighted in the rejoinder.
Thanks
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 06 Feb 2010 11:55:39 |
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kobo
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 01:03:51
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Lets deal with the actual results and establish the right figures, errors, omissions, reliability and meaningfulness from proper sources?
There appear to be an keyboard error between 149,448 and the approximation Halifa referred as "approximately 145,000"? Halifa maintained 149,448 from publish sources and subtantiated on them logically to prove a point on the expectations or performance of U.D.P/N.R.P Alliance!
"A divided NADD became extremely weak. The UDP party led Alliance also showed its weakness. Instead of adding votes from the NRP and GPDP, the UDP led alliance lost approximately 80,000 votes. In short, while UDP had approximately, 145,000 votes in 2001 Presidential elections, in 2006 it ended up with approximately, 104,000 votes............................................................. Hence putting the three parties together did not lead to more votes; on the contrary it led to a lower number of votes. There is no empirical evidence to indicate that the same tactic will yield a different outcome. This is the first lesson to draw."
That's just an error ("approximately 145,000" instead of approximately 149,000) but there are more errors in www.iec.gm. Momodou has spotted 105% voter turnout
Additional errors included the following:-
1. NIANI voter turnout stated 7877 did not agree with actual 7870(if you add 975 + 2398 + 121 + 4277 + 99 respectively)
2. There are no data (figures) on KOMBO NORTH & ILLIASSA
Therefore reliability of these I.E.C 2001 results is seriously questionable without the need to pursue it through the courts; for meaningful information purpose, political use and civic education.
I have taken initiative on fact finding to substantiate further.
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Nyarikangbanna
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06 Feb 2010 : 01:38:31
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Momodou, on the Naini results [2001], the total number of votes cast is 7877 and the results are as follows; NRP 975,UDP 2398, NCP 121, APRC 4277 and PDOIS 99 votes. This indicates ony 7 votes have not been counted and these may have been rejected tokens as the electoral commission has the power to reject votes that it felt were not validly cast. In any case, this is the official and authoritative results and without a successful legal challenge, it is beyond questioning.
The total number of votes for Halifa in Naini in 2006 is 320. That too is official and authoritative.
Thanks
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I do not oppose unity but I oppose dumb union. |
Edited by - Nyarikangbanna on 06 Feb 2010 11:52:27 |
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