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turk
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 Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 01:44:42
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Lily
You are in Gambian forum. Gambians (in general third world country, African, Muslims) culturally are different from Westerners (Usually, western, caucasians, industrial society and christians or secular). So it is natural that there will be different perspective than (I am assuming you are from UK and caucasian/western/christian or secular) you and some views may be less appreciated/valued. Please note that I am not saying that one is better than other, but different.
I still do not get your motivation starting this forum.
I am sure you have sincere interests in Gambians and i am not questioning that, however, do you realize that you are not Gambian who have different values and priorities. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Lily
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 10:40:03
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Well, Turk of course I realise that people may have different priorities - but values? Why? My motivation for starting this thread was to see what people really thought of the wide base for the forum (which I think is really well managed) and one could, perhaps, conclude that some voices are more welcome than others. Very few people responded with YES. So we could draw some conclusions about that -
And no, I am NOT saying that I believe that some people are necessarily less welcome - but you have to admit that it is one possible conclusion.
I am not sure what point you are making in relation to Gambians and "Westerners". Do you think that a Westerner (and in my case a woman) might not be interested in Gambian politics? Or that Gambian members of Bantaba might not be interested in a Westerners perspective on their own country? Personally I think that members are not that narrow minded ........ |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 11:05:41
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Lilly. It is typical problem with all groups. Some are less valued in a soccer team, a class, a club, a circle of friends. It may be even more in this forum as it has very diverse group of people.
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Do you think that a Westerner (and in my case a woman) might not be interested in Gambian politics? Or that Gambian members of Bantaba might not be interested in a Westerners perspective on their own country?
What I am saying is that, your interests, priorities, perspectives may be different from Gambians. I am trying to explain one potential reason for one's being less appreciated. I don't see any limitation for your being interested in anything. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Lily
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 11:48:00
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toubab1020
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Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 12:37:03
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Turk,what you have written is fully understood by all visitors here and is not in dispute at all,I suggest that maybe what Lily is trying to get at ( I am not Lily so I may be wrong) is that the response to her posting has been disappointing with very limited approvals,OK so if what she has written is not the view of the majority why are they so retisent to express their views ?
Not a single posting giving the opposite side of the coin, only your observations where you point out some reasons,but do not disagree and have not cast your "vote"
Dalton1 has commented ,Momodou has commented,and of course Kay has commented,where are the other frequent posters?
These words that you have used maybe explain everything:
"(I am assuming you are from UK and caucasian/western/christian or secular) you and some views may be less appreciated/valued. "
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Originally posted by turk
Lily
You are in Gambian forum. Gambians (in general third world country, African, Muslims) culturally are different from Westerners (Usually, western, caucasians, industrial society and christians or secular). So it is natural that there will be different perspective than (I am assuming you are from UK and caucasian/western/christian or secular) you and some views may be less appreciated/valued. Please note that I am not saying that one is better than other, but different.
I still do not get your motivation starting this forum.
I am sure you have sincere interests in Gambians and i am not questioning that, however, do you realize that you are not Gambian who have different values and priorities.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Dalton1
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Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 14:34:40
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2bab,
Turk made some good points for Lily...and I think he is right, unfortunately! It might not be even values, being a Gambian, Westerner, easterner, or anything else but just what CLICKS with one, on a general mention.
Regarding your question, I personally believe that dictatorship will go the far,and this administration possesses the urge and capability to go for the over-kill on its critics. We've seen and heard enough from them.
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"There is no god but Allah (SWT); and Muhammad (SAW)is His last messenger." shahadah. Fear & Worship Allah (SWT) Alone! (:
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toubab1020
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Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 15:05:42
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OK,Thats it I suppose,thought processes cannot be equated between different cultures and races all are different, hence the lack of interest from most members,after all this is a Gambian forum and not somewhere for differing cultures and races to share their views on topics Gambian,so the answer to lily's "vote" is ? :
"not welcome here," maybe not exactly, but something along those lines!
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 17 Jan 2010 : 21:33:32
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| I am very disappointed my push for dancing topic is not getting any attention by people (toubab, mansa for example). But that is ok, not everyone is talented. We are diverse group. I just had to say it. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 18 Jan 2010 : 06:55:33
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Originally posted by turk
I am very disappointed my push for dancing topic is not getting any attention by people (toubab, mansa for example). But that is ok, not everyone is talented. We are diverse group. I just had to say it.
I think this is the point. It is more about the topic than the person. Over a period of time, many members have appeared to have settled in areas of interest to them, and largely avoided divisive and socio-culturally sensitive topics. But again bantaba members are just human beings, if you put up a discussion topic in a more appealing way; perhaps you will be likely to attract more discussion. It is perhaps a hit and miss kind of a game. I can hardly ignore Toubab's topics on the legal proceedings (court cases) in the Gambia.
However, I feel the same way as Lily afterall; since all my appeals to go find MOE and bring him back here have not gotten any attention or response from members here. I feel all alone, perhaps not welcome here. All the snub I get from Mansasulu, Madiss, and Lily, and sometimes Toubab and Anna...
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 18 Jan 2010 : 08:09:11
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Good morning to all! Just read somewhere that, although we have the blues every Monday morning, the third Monday of January is the worst of all Mondays because we realise we will not manage to live up to our new year's resolutions (again!) and we are all short of money because we spent too much in December........... . What must we do to feel better? Plan our summer holiday! Let's all go to the Gambia  !
Nevertheless, i would like to start this week with a belated YES for Lily - i feel welcome enough even though it's quite clear some of us will never see eye to eye on some (T1020's less favorite) subjects. Let's keep on trying to meet somewhere in the middle. As Turk put it 'some views are less appreciated'  . I was surprised to 'hear' him say that he would like us to believe that he thinks 'one view is not better than the other, just different'. Haha, to hear him talk you know that for him there's only one view the best: his own!
Snub Kay?? NO! Be sure that, even though i am not contributing i am still always, every day, reading! And every day impressed by all the sensible things you write even though you 'are not an attorney, not an economist, not a politician'. Makes me wonder sometimes 'what, then, are you'  |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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turk
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Posted - 18 Jan 2010 : 08:18:52
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I could never complain that anna does not value my posts as I am her favorite 'pick on him' member of bantaba.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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kayjatta
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Posted - 18 Jan 2010 : 08:30:46
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Originally posted by anna
Good morning to all! Just read somewhere that, although we have the blues every Morning morning, the third Monday of January is the worst of all Mondays because we realise we will not manage to live up to our new year's resolutions (again!) and we are all short of money because we spent too much in December............ What must we do to feel better? Plan our summer holiday! Let's all go to the Gambia !
Nevertheless, i would like to start this week with a belated YES for Lily - i feel welcome enough even though it's quite clear some of us will never see eye to eye on some (T1020's less favorite) subjects. Let's keep on trying to meet somewhere in the middle. As Turk put it 'some views are less appreciated' . I was surprised to 'hear' him say that he would like us to believe that he thinks 'one view is not better than the other, just different'. Haha, to hear him talk you know that for him there's only one view the best: his own!
Snub Kay?? NO! Be sure that, even though i am not contributing i am still always, every day, reading! And every day impressed by all the sensible things you write even though you 'are not an attorney, not an economist, not a politician'. Makes me wonder sometimes 'what, then, are you'
Okay thanks for the assurance Anna |
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anna
Netherlands
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Posted - 18 Jan 2010 : 08:37:17
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Haha Turk, but aren't you happy to get the attention again? Some guys in the classroom, they will never give you a chance to ignore them.... |
When an old African dies, it is as if a whole library has burnt down.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 18 Jan 2010 : 08:43:35
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What can i do? It is not my fault, it is god given look, talent and intellect.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Lily
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18 Jan 2010 : 09:00:28
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Meeting in the middle - now that's a good idea. And sharing - or at least respecting - each other's values (though I do tend to think we probably do share values) and - as for being valued - we all are - at least I value everyone's contributions to all topics. Yes I do read the other threads and learn more (especially about Gambian politics!)
Have a good week everyone! |
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