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Momodou
Denmark
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 Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 12:35:44
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US Government Report Identifies Guinea-Bissau Role in International Drug Trade
By Howard Lesser
Washington, DC
03 March 2009
It is not known how much of a role the illegal international drug trade had in boosting tensions between Guinea-Bissau's president and the military before Sunday's and Monday's assassinations of General Batista Tagme Na Waie and President Joao Bernardo Vieira. Although the gunfire and bombing in the capital Bissau have forced new figures to replace the president and the army chief of staff, there is a sense of relief that the overnight developments did not produce a full-fledged coup d'etat. But last Friday in its annual International Narcotics Control Strategy Report, the US State Department cited increased drug trafficking in Guinea-Bissau and its vulnerability to money laundering and financial crime as sources of systemic corruption.
Read more at: http://www.voanews.com/english/Africa/2009-03-03-voa5.cfm
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A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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mbay
Germany
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Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 12:59:53
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Supported democracy systems but on the other side jamming about violation like this, thinking as if this will be best for us?
No wonder that we do know nothing about democracy we knew only hat toward one another! (Tribalism …You name it)
The best lesson we can from Mali. In my recent visit there and comparing it 16 years ago is like heaven and earth. There is a lot of progress there, Great thanks to the PEACE there and not HATE!
Are not most wishing the same toward Jahaya too? 
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 18:40:12
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Originally posted by turk
As I am against death penalty and murder of any men by another men, I condemn these assasination. This is prejudical punishment. The men should be judged and get a punishment (except death penalty). This kind of coup, assassination and regime change is no solution.
Non-violent social and regime change is the only option. I would rather suffer under this man, but do not give up my principle of regime change to be democratic. Some of those who opposse Jammeh, now supporting undemocratic, violent regime change. It is a big disappointment. Further it is hypocracy.
My sympathy to their children and family.
I think your above statements are very true. Personally i would not support the coup in Guinea. I attempted to explain why it happened. Greed. When we overstay, we are bound to be forced to leave.
Overthrowing a democratic government is wrong and unacceptable. But again, a corrupt and indifferent democratic government is equally wrong. zThe solution therefore is a democratic government that is responsive to the needs of its people. It ceases to be democratic if it chooses otherwise. Democracy is not just the ballot box. Its much more than that. Access to elected leaders by the citizens, their ability to make them accountable for their actions and finally have a levelled playing field where citizens can speak without fear, demonstrate without arrest, and enjoy the rights guranteed in their constitution without favour, all add up to a stable and vibrant society necessary for growth, stability and prosperity for ALL and not the the few. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 03 Mar 2009 : 19:29:32
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kondo
Thanks for the response. it is good you seperate yourself from those who cowardly hide, claim democratic but in reality, they are opportunitistic if the opportunity is present, they act in order to take the power. Usually political events like this expose the true colour of people. while they claim and demand democracy, then anti-democratic reqime changes with violence is good news for them.
You are right those who act violently, will face the inevitable violence themselves. But is this a solution for a nation?
Mbay sum it up very nicely. That was my point on other post. those claim to be democratic, want democracy in gambia, then cheering for violent acts. How can you guarantee these covards who oppose Jammeh will not do the same for gambia. Again, it is not about 'who is the president'. It is about whether people ready and want democracy or not under any circumstances.
Democratic demands must come from the people. Bottom-up. What kind of sickness to cheer about someone's death regardless who the person is.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Santanfara
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Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 16:03:52
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"As I am against death penalty and murder of any men by another men, I condemn these assasination. This is prejudical punishment. The men should be judged and get a punishment (except death penalty). This kind of coup, assassination and regime change is no solution." Turk
This is what the man on your avater is doing. Pre-emptive killings. You refuse to acknowledge those facts. No one should laugh at the death of another, since death await us all. But when mass killers die, some take a deep breath.
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Prince
507 Posts |
Posted - 04 Mar 2009 : 16:47:34
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quote:
Originally posted by turk
What kind of sickness to cheer about someone's death regardless who the person is.
My good sir, Turk, it is not a sickness to cheer for the death of a person who earns her living through trumping on other people's life, liberty, and property. I am not a pacifist, that is why I don't like people like Gandhi.
The death penalty is not related to this topic; BUT I'll give you my opinion on it. I believe that the state has an obligation to protect the lives of innocent people. Any person who denies the innocent of their fundamental right to life, should be tried in a "competent court of law" and if found guilty, they should be sent to the gallows until their feet stop kicking.
Back to Guinea, it is amazing that everyone is blaming drugs for the country's current woes. They are overlooking the fact that Nino significantly contributed to making the country a narco-state. Sadly, cocaine will significantly determine the future of Guinea Bissau, it could either bring stability or total war.
The drug barons are the only people capable of waging, sustaining and financing a total war. Conversely, they may opt for stability (which they seem to be doing), this would enable them to maintain their markets and enjoy their ill gotten wealth. I'll cross my fingers for the latter.
I don't like or advocate for total violence. However, it is a reality that "the tree of liberty must once in a while be refreshed with the blood of tyrants." I loath rebellions or revolutions, they harm the lives of tons of innocent people. The Guineans are setting a good precedent; only the dogs of oppression are made to swallow the pills they manufacture.
Ideally; The falling of the yellow leaves should a warning to the green ones.
Hopefully, you'll see my post as a divergent view; it is NOT a personal attack on you. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 05 Mar 2009 : 11:45:58
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I am not a pacifist, that is why I don't like people like Gandhi.
I thought the only people don't like gandhi is imperialists. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 06 Mar 2009 : 08:11:09
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Prince
Is the president elected democratically? Was he assasinated violently? Will there be election? Was there a chance for people of guinea to vote him out?
You may not like gandhi, but he bring some democracy to the country as big as Africa and as diverse as africa. He did that 100 years ago, while kicking british out of the sub-continent.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 06 Mar 2009 08:12:44 |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 06 Mar 2009 : 12:15:31
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Maybe there is still hope for this little country,this from the online newspaper Gambia Journal
http://www.thegambiajournal.com/artman/publish/article_2482.shtml
Snippett:
Despite the unprecedented political violence in Bissau over the last weekend, it appears that the military will remain in the barracks and leave power with civilians. An observer who was recently in Bissau told The Gambia Journal, “They know that any talk of military coup would strip the country off international aid that has been keeping things working.” Guinea Bissau’s speaker of parliament Raimundo Pereira was sworn in as the country’s interim president on Tuesday, just a day after the assassination of the President Joao Bernardo Vieira. In line with the country's constitution, the new president is required to call for elections within two months.
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Prince
507 Posts |
Posted - 10 Mar 2009 : 07:18:03
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Originally posted by turk
Prince
Is the president elected democratically? Was he assasinated violently? Will there be election? Was there a chance for people of guinea to vote him out?
You may not like gandhi, but he bring some democracy to the country as big as Africa and as diverse as africa. He did that 100 years ago, while kicking british out of the sub-continent.
There is a time to be cool, there is not.
Turk,
You raised some important questions. I'll let you know my opinion as soon as i can.
In the mean while, they are planning on giving the pig a state burial. Whatever happened to behind the yard cremation ???
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/7933972.stm |
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