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mbay
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 Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 12:24:06
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njucks
Mbay you see how easily patronising comments can cause a distraction. nobody has the right to say what can or cannot be discussed here.thats just silly!
Thanks, I just do not know where this man mind is where about, and i know where i try to condemn him or the others. just argument that is going on here is and notihng else.
But i don’t have time to spend with him again, i will just let him get his point as he wants and go.
i hope he is not that... like those...end
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 14:03:07
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Just a moment, please. I understood that snuggels' information was about Gambian children in general:
I also have heard that traditionaly that the first sexual encounter a child/young person has is with a family member?
This sounds as if it was a custom in Gambian families to abuse children. And I think everybody would agree with me that this is rank nonsense.
I know about the legends told among sex tourists. As a student during the 80ies I joined a research project on sex tourism and 'mail order brides' in the Philippines. It is obvious that sex tourists just want to feel less guilty, so they make themselves and others of their sort believe that what they do is a custom in the country.
Quite recently I read the story of a young German journalist who married a HIV positive Cambodian ex-prostitute. In his book, which is worth reading (Benjamin Prüfer: 'Wohin du auch gehst', Scherz Verlag/Fischer Taschenbuch Verlag - for our German members) he confirms that sex tourists have a big variety of legends concerning their questionable pastime. Like 'The girls working in the tourist bars are all free lancers, nobody is forced to do this job', etc. etc., bla bla.
So the 'information' snuggels got looked to me like one of those legends.
It is true that abuse often starts in the family, but unless the children are forced into prostitution by their abusive relatives, it stays there. The 'normal' incestuous family has a tendency to seclude from society. |
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snuggels
960 Posts |
Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 16:59:06
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NJUCKS-SERENATA
OK So where is the evidence I got the following information from the NSCPP
In 94 per cent of calls to ChildLine about sexual abuse in 2005/06, the child knew his or her abuser. 59% per cent of abusers were family members, 35 per cent were acquaintances, and 5 per cent were strangers
23% were perpetrated by a father
14% were perpetrated by an uncle
13% were perpetrated by a stepfather
8% were perpetrated by a cousin
6% were perpetrated by a grandfather
4% were perpetrated by a mother 6 .
For other forms of sexual abuse (attempted penetrative/oral acts, touching, voyeurism/pornography and exposure) BROTHERS were also the most frequently cited perpetrator.
In GAMBIA they don’t have a help line for children or such like so you don’t know and you have no evidence
However human nature being what it is this trend would also apply to other countries, but what has been found is counties that have week laws like Africa child abuse is worse.SO GUYS ITS NOT NONSENCE OK
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 17:09:44
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| Snuggles, What is NSCPP? I looked every where and I cant find it or it's relation to The Gambia. Where was these statistics taken? Any URL to the findings? |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 23:06:17
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Whilst I cannot confirm or deny Snuggles comment there may be some substance to it, although I would question if this was a 'tradition'.
There's certainly more home grown sexual predators in Gambia than tourist according to the statistics and yes it is right, as many as 80% of children are abused by someone known to the child or the child's family .Relatives, friends, baby-sitters,People in supervisory roles are more likely than strangers to commit a sexual assault.
Without reading the articles its hard to see if this is what is meant.
Njucks I have to disagree this becomes society's fault when a society turns a blind eye.
Is it not society's job to protect the weak and vulnerable?
We need to protect are children from these predators.But as Mavaric has pointed out with the popular press unable to bring themselves to use the term SEX how are we suppose to Educate its patrons?
No one wants to believe their fellow countrymen can commit such atrocities but regardless of location we need to take our heads out of the sand. It happens all over the world.
In Gambia there seems to be what has been aptly named 'A culture of silence' Children have no 'voice' they are not pro active culturally in decision making and if abuse does occur have very few avenues to turn to.
This makes them,as a nation,extremely vulnerable for exploitation.
Sadly many Gambians feel that it is a taboo subject and not one to reported to police or authoritys, but without this information how can thesee perpetraters be caught and punished?
A shared database is definitely the way forward but as i'm not that familiar with Gambia's child protection teams and law enforcement do they have such a database?
Im all in favour of a worldwide database so these people can be checked.
I have recently had discussions on how best to track these people that travel soley for the purpose of child exploitation(Manipulation is an art form for most ) and the suggestion of information held in the bar code of their passports be an ideal way if they did slip though the net, alerting the authority's of their arrival.
Its not just men that abuse, statistics have shown that 20% of all sexual predators are in fact women.
I don't think it is wise to foster an attitude that all single males are potential abusers. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 23:48:34
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Originally posted by Momodou
Snuggles, What is NSCPP? I looked every where and I cant find it or it's relation to The Gambia. Where was these statistics taken? Any URL to the findings?
Momodou this may help:
http://www.nspcc.org.uk/
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Dr Thomas
Gambia
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Posted - 29 Aug 2008 : 23:50:02
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I met a friend in banjul this evening who gave me some information.
Anthony Michael Dobson is from New Zealand not from Norway, sorry for inaccurate reporting to all the Norwegians.
Tom |
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Momodou
Denmark
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sab
United Kingdom
912 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 00:13:46
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A very interesting but large document holds some statistics on this subject;
http://www.csd.gm/Social%20Research/OVC%20Situational%20Analysis%20Final%20Report%5B1%5D.doc
SITUATIONAL ANALYSIS
OF
ORPHANS
AND OTHER
VULNERABLE CHILDREN
IN THE GAMBIA
Sexual Relationships And Behaviour
Questions on sexual relationships were only administered to children aged 12 to 17 years, whilst those on sexual behaviour were restricted to children 15 to 17 years.
Most children said their friends do not talk about having boyfriends and girlfriends, 62.0% (322) orphans, 62.3% (327) OSD children and 64.1% (195) controls. Among those who said their friends talk about it 31.5% (62 out of 197) orphans, 31.8% (63 out of 198) OSD children and 26.6% (29 out of 109) controls said they talk about sex (p>0.05); whilst more orphans10.2% (20) than controls 3.7% (4) mentioned “have sex with them” (p<0.05); see Annex Table vii .
When asked whether they know of anyone who has been touched intimately or had something done by someone in a private location and then been told not to tell anyone 18.2% (94) orphans, 18.0% (94) OSD children and 19.1% (57) controls responded positively.
On how they would avoid such a situation befalling them responses were generally similar. Among orphans 37.6% (195) reported they would avoid such environments, 36.0% (187) would fight the person, and 22.2% (115) would shout/cry for help. Among controls 35.5% (108) would avoid such environments, 35.2% (107) would fight the person, and 21.4% (65) would shout/cry for help.
Many also said they would avoid visiting a person of the opposite sex alone, 21.0% (109) orphans, 20.8% (109) OSD children, and 14.1% (43) controls (p>0.05). A few said nothing: 3.9% (20) orphans, 4.0% (21) OSD children, and 0.7% (2) controls (p>0.05, therefore difference not significant), see Annex Table vii.
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
464 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 00:40:53
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Momodou, I think snuggles meant the NSPCC which is a UK based Charity.
I think the statistics were to highlight the point that Child abuse is carried out more often by family members not strangers.
Although i'm sure Snuggles can clarify this point. |
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snuggels
960 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 02:18:21
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Yes your right Hiz the evidence is it is family members that are the main offenders. The NSPCC is a UK charity as is the Childline for abused children. To often people bury there heads in the sand and say Not In Our Back Yard but the evidence is to the contrary. Its the world over so why should Gambia be any different.
As has been pointed out countries with weak laws the problem is worse |
Edited by - snuggels on 30 Aug 2008 02:27:32 |
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Lily
United Kingdom
422 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 11:10:05
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Whilst not wishing to get embroiled in any angry moral debates - I am going to ask a very controversial question
I'm wondering what great difference there is between a father marrying his poorly educated 14 year old daughter to a middle aged neighbour and parents supplying their young daughters to tourists for sex............. isn't it all about money in the end?
BOTH constitute desperate child abuse in my eyes but one event was openly celebrated in a village I know (and I expect many of us know of these incidents) and in the other event the man (rightly) gets arrested ... |
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Momodou
Denmark
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Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 11:49:34
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I have no doubt that there child abuse in various forms can be found in every society including The Gambia. However, as one cannot compare child abuse in UK to that of Denmark which is both European Countries, so can one not uses the statistics representing UK to the Gambia.
My reaction is to the statistics Snuggles threw at us. Whilst one can lock your own child in Europe and sexually abuse her for years, it is unimaginable for such thing to happen in The Gambia.
There is definitely a big difference between the customs/culture in the Gambia and UK.
Sab has provided a very comprehensive document above on the Gambia’s situation and that is what is representative of the Gambia. |
A clear conscience fears no accusation - proverb from Sierra Leone |
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snuggels
960 Posts |
Posted - 30 Aug 2008 : 12:49:59
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Mommodu
The figures from the UK NSPCC I quoted (sorry through at you) was making the point that in the main it is a family member that is the main offender Looking at the overall population not islolated cases that do happen in society which canot be used as a bench mark.
Its ok to say thats only the Uk not other Eurpean countries or any where else for that matter but where are the figures to prove it?
Or is it just an opinion
Wilst Sabs artical on Gambia was very interesting I could not find a breakdown of who the main sex offenders are. |
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