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Sibo
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 Posted - 28 May 2008 : 15:35:27
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Then I missed something
I think that anybody who cares about Gambia have the right to say something, or anybody on this forum for that matter. We are here to discuss and enlighten each other, share our thoughts and views.Is it not discriminaion to hint that non-Gambians cannot make comments about Gambia? |
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lurker
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 15:38:32
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 15:43:22
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Sibo and Lurker,
I said somewhere on this forum, that EVERYBODY IS WELCOMED TO THE GAMBIA. BUT NONE SHOULD OVERSTAY THEIR WELCOME.
How one overstays one's welcome is multi-faceted.
One example is not to take the lead in the agitation for a change.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 15:51:18
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Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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Sibo
Denmark
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 15:53:50
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Do you get involved in the UK politics and dicuss the issues going on there??
I bet you do. Did a British citizen ever aks you to butt out because you are not a British? I doubt it |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 15:56:14
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Originally posted by Santanfaravery philosophical madiba saidy.
Santa pls add Baldeh after Saidy |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 15:57:53
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Originally posted by Sibo
Do you get involved in the UK politics and dicuss the issues going on there??
I bet you do. Did a British citizen ever aks you to butt out because you are not a British? I doubt it
As a commonwealth citizen am told i can vote. That much i know. I have enough on plate to worry alot about British politics. Besides who am i? |
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lurker
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 15:59:27
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why should i not agitate for change, Madiba?
my wife is gambian, my in-laws are gambian and they are broke and hungry back home. Of course i can point out the problems i perceive , because i am also going to suffer if they do - emotionally and financially.
i have every right, despite not being gambian, to question dubious politics and policies when they have an immediate effect on the life of my family - who are gambian.
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toubab1020
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 16:25:53
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LURKER,I await "their" response to your last posting,should be very enlightening! |
"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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Santanfara
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 16:57:20
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Originally posted by lurker
why should i not agitate for change, Madiba?
my wife is gambian, my in-laws are gambian and they are broke and hungry back home. Of course i can point out the problems i perceive , because i am also going to suffer if they do - emotionally and financially.
i have every right, despite not being gambian, to question dubious politics and policies when they have an immediate effect on the life of my family - who are gambian.
agitated lurker. you are a gambian now. let me hear any one denying you your uinversal rights. |
Surah- Ar-Rum 30-22
"And among His signs is the creation of heavens and the earth, and the difference of your languages and colours. verily, in that are indeed signs for men of sound knowledge." Qu'ran
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 17:04:37
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I think we are digressing from what Toubab's original posting was about: the plight of homosexuals in the Gambia under the demon called Yaya. People's lifes are at risk as well as the distruction of The Gambia under His Royal Highness Devil Yaya. This is not the time nor the place for play-ground tactics. As I said before, everyone has the right to express their opinion regardless of where they are from. The thing we all have in common is Gambia. I dislike censorship, because I think its dangerous. I dont know about anyone, but as far as I am concerned, I prefer to know what other people think so that I can tackle their opinions face on.
And for the record, I bow to one. Anyone who knows me either personally or from my postings should know that by now. |
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Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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shaka
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 18:06:57
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If every African share your(Janfaya) pessimism then God help us. Just Look at your sick and perversed logic of bringing innocent little children into the equation as if they should be held responsible for all their actions. What kind of logic are you trying to convey here? That just because some people smoke crack or carry guns, while innocent little children sometimes imitate their actions, somehow guns and crack should be legalized in the Gambia. Don't gun wielding maniacs and crack heads have any human rights as well if we are to go by your logic? Why are they persecuted and thrown into prison? The simple fact is that our society is govern by rules within the confines of our cultural values. Homosexuality is one of the vices the fall short of our cultural norms. It is illegal by the laws of The Republic of The Gambia and denounced as a social ill by the wider society. It is on those values that you were raised to be the man you are today. If Babylon have corrupted you so much so that you turned around today and insult the very society that had shaped your being then God help you.
God it sometimes seems like somebody had switched off the powerful engine room of the African mind. What more can i do. My mind is now drifting to a song by the late Jamaican singer, Joseph Hill: I TRIED AND I TRIED BUT THEY CAN'T UNDERSTAND. THE MORE VICTIMIZATION IS UPON THEIR BACKS THE MORE FOOLISH THEY BECOME. THE MORE VICTIMIZATION IS UPON THEIR BACKS THEY SATISFY LORD FOR LESS.
My people has come to accept that it right to have a gun put on our heads every time we disagree with a Western lobby group. That it is right for people like Turk to insult us because Gays are threatened in the Gambia but battered black and blue by Turkish government security official, because there are prostitutes, gigolos, sugar daddies and drunks while there are plenty more of those same vices in Turkey. That somehow we are committing "collective suicide" because the global price hike of commodities is affecting our economy for the worse. That it is right for Lurker to call for armed uprising against our struggling democracy.
You(Janfaya) accused Africans Intellectuals of throwing away their values, yet still you are guilty of the same sin. You are the very one bashing those who are trying to uphold those values, like the Gay union of men and women. How many naming ceremonies of unmarried couples have you attended? Have you never brought a girl to your father's house before marrying them? This is the height of hypocrisy. Who is accusing the West of anything. Is demanding respect for our cultural rights and values a crime? I remember just recently during the Democratic Party presidential nomination battle in the US, Senator Obama was misquoted as saying that "small town people cling to their guns and religion because they are bitter with the actions of Washington". The general uproar then and is still unbelievable. This just goes to show how people appreciate their cultures and values and would do anything to protect them. Why is it such a crime for Africans to appreciate their cultures and values? God am tired of this debate and for that i end it with more Joseph Hill lyrics: "HE WHO HAVE EYES TO SEE LET HIM SEE AND HE WHO HAVE EARS TO HEAR LET HIM HEAR" |
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lurker
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 18:52:12
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shaka says - "That it is right for Lurker to call for armed uprising against our struggling democracy."
you poor, deluded fool.
you understand nothing. god help you.
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turk
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 19:32:48
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shaka. Let me repeat. It is hypocracy to punish gays because they are immoral while there are jigolos, prostitutes, adultary, FGM, sugar daddies. Capito? As long as people like you exist accepting/defending the status quo, I will stick with my collective suicide theory.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Prince
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 19:33:29
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I can't believe that this HomoLiberal thread is still going on.Like most Gambians, I'm indifferent about the issue.
And yes, Homos do exit in Gambia. Not that i have gaydar, but i clearly remember seeing tomboys girls and feminine boys while growing up.
When we play football they jump rope or play roundass with girls. Or the girls who only hang around boys doing macho activities.
I don't think we should waste tax payers money on getting to know what people do in their bedrooms.
Culture is dynamic. Extreme homophobia (like advocating for killing), is actually VERY WESTERN. take a closer look at western history (past laws), its full of discrimination against minorities! Why should we follow their footsteps?
Who is the cultural sellout here??? |
"When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty." |
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