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turk
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 Posted - 28 May 2008 : 01:06:34
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shaka. The topic is universal. It is politics?
Censorship? Paronoia? I was just SUGGESTING not to participate in these topics, because you are not familiar with the political science. You are confused with the terms. You are embarrasing yourself.
Second, you insult. Get out of control. You need to have manner in debate. You act like a cave man.
I take your handshare. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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shaka
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 01:12:21
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 11:09:01
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Hey fellas,
I did never want to join such kind of debate but I must because of certain utterance I read from some people who claim themselves of being true Africans.
May I ask ;Was there no homosexuality in Africa before the whites came to us?
The answer is, there was and even in the Gambia.
How many of you can truely say we had no homosexuals before then?
Amongst childreen and even some young adults of the same peer group in their young ages, have been practicing boy to boy sex expacially when they play in streams Ponds and rivers or sometimes when they cannot have girls of their own.Wouldn't one call this early homosexuality even if it is only practice out of lust?
I think it is hypocritical to blame the west for everything bad that happens to Africa now.Come-on fellas we are the problem not them.Despite we still have it that some of the problems was started by them.When did we gained our selfdeterminations from them?How do we still allow ourselves to be directed and controlled by them?Can we genuinely say all our past and present leaders are feable?Or is it African greed(This cannot be European or western Greed)?
Africa has all that God blessed His people with.Now instead of furging ahead,what are we really doing that made us the poorest continent?With petrol,Gold,Diamond, everything everything we still beg like leppers.For goodness sake failure failure failure.
Even our own people we look towards to ,have turned against us.Now we have no where to turn to.We are our own enemy.There is nomore colonisation in Africa.It is only Africans enslaving their own kinsmen and subjugating them to all kinds of inhuman savagery, rape ect ect.
Every society has its traditional,cultural and ethical values but lets honestly face it .Africa has thrown all its respectable morals,cultural and most of its traditional values.Majority of their socalled intellectuals have abandoned African ways and addopt a culture that they can never fully incolgate into.Thus allowing themselves to be subjugated for with such thinkings that they are now above african values,they have left their own and cannot reach where they think they have addopted.
Before,in most African societies, pregnancies before marriages were taboo but today we see religious or even well respected traditional leaders themselves parrading at unmarried naming ceremonies either for money or because as some say societies change and one has to change with it.This kind of things are common place now
Boys and girls falling in open extra marital affairs or even boys visiting one's daughter at her father's house were frawned opon.These are now without doubt things of the past.
How about settling disputes before villages and town coulcils?With the intruductions of police stations and civil/criminal courts(western parten),those valuable assets too are almost non existant now a days.
Do we blame the west for all these?No
When tribes come together to form a nation with their different diversed beliefs and cultures,there has to be forms of rules to guide them.These rules has to be to the benefit of all concerned.That is why we are a nation.What is acceptable to you may not be to me and visa-visa.So there has to be a common rule acceptable to the majority.
Now to the President's warnings about Homosexuals.Well he is entitled to his own opinion but until there are provisions in our country's laws to sanction such move,it will be unlawful for any Gambian to threaten homosexuals with death.The President is commiting an offence for threatening people with death as there is no provision that mandated him as the guardian of the constitution to do such.
I personally am against the idea of men havng sex with their fellow men or women doing the same.I believe the reason God created Adam and Eve and not Adam and Paul Or Eve and Mariam was for us to mary each other as Man and woman not the other way round.But I will leave that to God to decide if Men and women Choose not to follow that guided way but men mating men and women likewise.This is not for us for we cannot stand up for the all mighty.
Homosexuality was a very very old practice and this was since the time of prophet LOT.So people should be cautious about it Maybe some people need help to overcome their homosexuality not threats of death.
Peace. |
Edited by - Janyanfara on 28 May 2008 12:14:01 |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 28 May 2008 : 11:21:59
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wasalam, janyanfara,
Wise man spoken. Where have you been before? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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tamsier
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 12:08:54
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| Thank goodness for some one with common sense. I was beginning to loose all hope and then Janyanfara chipped in. Were have you been Janyanfara? |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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lurker
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 12:15:05
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i think madiba said that he did not need anyone outside of gambia to paint a picture for gambians.
well, a gambian just did it and it mostly concurs with loads of things that "outsiders" have been saying for years on this bantaba.
does this make it more acceptable? or is he now going to get a roasting?
bottom line is that it does not matter who says it, does it?
if it is true.
so many arguments here personalised because some africans do not like having some of their faults pointed out to them by outsiders. well, here the insider speaks, and very well, of some of the faults that cause problems.
maybe now some hotheads can stop carping at the contributors and actually heed the message.
great piece.
do not forget. please, that ALL people here contribute because they care for and love gambia, NOT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT!
peace. |
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Janyanfara
Tanzania
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 12:33:39
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I have never missed one topic but my friends we are not ready to face reality thats why I just read and not respond because why waste time and energy on some discusion that would lead insults and counter insults?I think we are matured enough to dialogue and exchange ideas so as to learn from each other.
For people like me, Bantaba has become a school and I find it very distressing when I read some abusive comments. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 13:27:17
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Lurker,on Bantaba,some of us are tollerated,but not considered as friends,I totally agree with the sentiments expressed in your quote which I have copied below.
do not forget. please, that ALL people here contribute because they care for and love gambia, NOT BECAUSE THEY DO NOT!
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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tamsier
United Kingdom
557 Posts |
Posted - 28 May 2008 : 14:46:31
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| This is a discussion forum. No one should be censored/silenced [within limits] just because some one disagrees with what somebody else is saying. We all have one thing is common: 'gambia' - regardless of were someone came from. I was born in the UK - though all my roots are in Gambia and Senegal [Senegambia], those that mean I shouldn't comment on Gambia affairs as well? Or that I shouldn't comment on affairs concerning the UK, because my ancestoral origins are not UK? Of course not. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
Roog a fa ha. |
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 14:56:26
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Lurker,
Every Gambian has a mind of his or her own. Let them speak their minds. I have a mind of my own. I will NEVER stand by watch my beloved country set ablaze by people with NO STAKE(S) in the Gambia at all. Great African leaders were assasinated by their own but fully brain-washed and sponsored by the imperilaists such as the CIA.
Who killed Sankara?
Who killed Lumumba?
Who toppled Nkrumah?
We have our domestic problems but still the imperialists are there to ensure that we are under-developed.
Those africans or gambians who want to worship other people thats their human right. I will never ever worship anybody. Call me watver u wish. |
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Sibo
Denmark
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 15:18:07
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Madis
Arenīt you kind of slipping away from the issue at hand here???
I thought this was a discussion about homosexuals and their rights, about people who care about Gambia and concerned about the development happening there. How does the CIA and killed African leaders get involved all of a sudden, did I miss something????
Being tolerant about homosexuality does not mean that people are trying to worship other people.I know that this whole issue is new to a lot of Gambians, but as I said before, shouldnīt it be an issue between the homosexuals and God? Should we start chasing the people who drink alcohol out of the country as well, or the prostitutes or every single person who had a baby out side marriage??? Or are homosexuals commiting the worst sin ever???
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lurker
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 15:23:57
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madiba - your words - Gambians NEED NONE to paint their picture for them. NO THANKS
so , if gambians can recognise their own problems without external advice, and the imperialists are there to hold africans (and gambians) back, who is going to deal with the mounting gambian problems that are caused internally and with no outside help?
who decided to artificially inflate the value of the dalasi against all economic historical evidence that it just does not work like that?
who promised (and failed to deliver)price cuts for gambians on the back of this dalasi revaluation?
who is taking over ministries , when unqualified to run them?
who is carelessly passing comments about killing gays that have started international debate?
who is accused of internal tribal favouritism?
who is accused within gambia of salting away huge rafts of aid money?
who is accused of eliminatiing journalists and disappearing those who dare to speak out?
etc etc.
MAdiba, these are Internal gambian problems .
no imperialist conspiracies amongst those.
these problems are also going to destroy gambia .
so who amongst gambians is dealing with these issues?
you don't want external interference, but you also are not seen to be doing much to combat the above problems.
why is the opposition, and i am not wise about them, seeming to be such a powerless amalgamation of people?
do you honestly believe there is true democracy in gambia?
how do you ever make things better if grumbling is all that we hear.
i suppose shak will accuse me of asking for violence again, when of course i am not.
what i have ALWAYS asked, is that i believe the pres. is ruining gambias future and how does gambia intended to improve its future.
it is a question posed, as it always has been, about a valid, viable, democratic, un-oppressed , legal opposition with a voice.
but the opposition is always fracturing.
while this happens, all the INTERNAL problems will continue to erode your future.
look at the situation now - it is hardly rosy for most gambians who are struggling financially more and more. we all know this to be true.
you want to keep it in your own domain - fine.
but do something .
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 15:25:35
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Sibo my sister,
Not entirely. The issue was leaning towards who has the right to say something about The Gambia, and someone started the issue of us africans blaming the west for all our failures. Thats why i digressed alittle to make my stand clear regarding that issue.
I will try to answer ur questions time permitting
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MADIBA
United Kingdom
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 15:29:43
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Lurker,
Go back a re-read my thread. i said WE HAVE OUR DOMESTIC PROBLEMS.
Nonetheless there are detractors out there.Pure and simple. |
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lurker
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 15:33:57
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| yes, so how do you think they should be dealt with, without the interference that you loathe? |
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