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shaka
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 Posted - 26 May 2008 : 23:29:22
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Originally posted by turk
shaka
Are you able to comprenda? If I was defending turk's human rights records I would not even post the bbc link first place about the gays. Your government threated gays to be executed in your country not in Turkey. Capish?
I will stick to sab posting as the truth. Gambians drink alcohol, have sex with older women as jigalo, or older men as sex tourism schema as top sex tourism destination, older men act like sugar daddy to little girls, FGM to little girls, government take no action, but for a few gays government take action to execute. And you defend that. Shame on you. Typical machoism.
Your government security officials regularly beat up gays to pulp not in Gambia. All the vices you have listed above had been and is still practiced in Turkey. Big deal!! |
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turk
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Posted - 26 May 2008 : 23:35:05
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| shaka. So your point is if it is happening in another country , you have RIGHT to do the same? And it is because someone told you it is wrong to execute gays, you had some sick idea that you are being discriminated because you can't freely kill some fags? :) :) |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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shaka
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 00:11:09
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Originally posted by turk
shaka. So your point is if it is happening in another country , you have RIGHT to do the same? And it is because someone told you it is wrong to execute gays, you had some sick idea that you are being discriminated because you can't freely kill some fags? :) :)
My point is let us paint everybody with the same brush. If imposing economic sanctions and tourism boycott is the universal punishment for government transgressions then the punishment should not be limited to the Gambia. Threats and blackmail should never be used as a weapon to demand wholesale change to a country's cultural value. Gambians reserve the right resist these threats and blackmails. I have never advocated for the execution "fags"(did you hear yourself?), but i meant that when Jammeh said "cut off their heads" he did not literally mean kill them by by beheading them. He is not as insane you want us to believe. You should note that the phrase "cut off your head" is a universal light threat which is often used in anger or as a light joke. If every time i had uttered that phrase, somebody died, then i would make Hitler look like Mother Theresa. |
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turk
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 00:30:53
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To call for boycott and trade sanctions are acceptable. It is peaceful protest. Nothing wrong with that. These are the tools of diplomacy for years. You may not like it. It is limited to Gambia, because the president, the top of the country threaten gays to be executed. This is too extreme. Off course gambians have rights to resist, i did not see one post here to object that.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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shaka
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 01:19:54
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Originally posted by turk
To call for boycott and trade sanctions are acceptable. It is peaceful protest. Nothing wrong with that. These are the tools of diplomacy for years. You may not like it. It is limited to Gambia, because the president, the top of the country threaten gays to be executed. This is too extreme. Off course gambians have rights to resist, i did not see one post here to object that.
George Bush threatened to nuke Iran, Turkish President threatened to invade Iraq and actually carried out the threat to a limited extent. Colombia threatened to attack Venezuela because they claim Venezuela was arming FARC, Serbia threatened to invade Kosovo because does not recognize its independence, Russia threatened the UK in the saga of the assassinated former KGB spy in the UK and list goes on and on. Where is threat of economic sanctions in all these cases, if it is right to believe that if any of the above threats were carried out there would be a river of blood flowing. If the penalty for threats is economic sanction why is Gambia the only nation being hounded for the threats it made. |
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turk
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 01:41:00
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| shaka. you are confused. We are talking apples you are talking burgers. Or are you proposing EU to invade gambia to end this saga? |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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shaka
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 02:16:01
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Originally posted by turk
shaka. you are confused. We are talking apples you are talking burgers. Or are you proposing EU to invade gambia to end this saga?
If you are telling me that a threat to nuke or invade another nation with arms is less serious than a threat to behead gays, then i have passed on my confusion onto you and for that reason i do not wish to have this debate any further with you. Au revoir!! |
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turk
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 02:40:53
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You are still talking about burgers when we talk about apples.
No I have never said that. What I am saying is your president threatened killing the refugees from senegal who happened to be gay. And there is nothing wrong with the nations who may have put economic sanctions as a presure as a diplomatic measure.
Turkish president thretened to invade iraq because there is a direct threat from iraq to Turkey. Economic threat is peacefull measure. Nations have right to do that. But I still don't understand your building relationship with Gambia case and all the iran, turkey, iraq and columbia examples. Sorry but you need to explain again.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Moe
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 05:22:28
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Well turk sorry to intrude but if thats the case why have they been given 24 hrs or whatever the time frame is to leave or face the law to it's fullest extent and this includes Thieves and all the bad elements in society they know them selves.....................................................Peacequote:
Originally posted by turk
You are still talking about burgers when we talk about apples.
No I have never said that. What I am saying is your president threatened killing the refugees from senegal who happened to be gay. And there is nothing wrong with the nations who may have put economic sanctions as a presure as a diplomatic measure.
Turkish president thretened to invade iraq because there is a direct threat from iraq to Turkey. Economic threat is peacefull measure. Nations have right to do that. But I still don't understand your building relationship with Gambia case and all the iran, turkey, iraq and columbia examples. Sorry but you need to explain again.
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I am Jebel Musa better yet rock of Gibraltar,either or,still a stronghold and a Pillar commanding direction
The GPU wants Me Hunted Down for what I don't know ..... |
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turk
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 06:35:34
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shaka
Here is one comparison of gay treatments in Muslim countries. See specifically Turkeya and Gambia. You may go further details for Turkey as the page provides a link.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexuality_and_Islam
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Turkey |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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turk
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 06:40:08
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moe
First of all there is no ruling about gays, yet, in Gambia. The president who has the 'executive' authority is taking 'juristic' about gays execution. First there must be legislation for that. Is there a rule about gays in gambia? That itself is not fair.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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tamsier
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 09:57:04
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| I cannot believe this topic is still on and there are some who condone what His Royal Highness Devil Yayah is doing. People around the world are starving, there are wars going on, young boys are murdering each other for a pair of Nike trainers etc, and all we can think about is what two consenting homosexuals are doing. I am pessimistic about the future of human kind. The distruction of planet earth would not come from aliens - from another planet [as some nutters believe], it would be humans who would do it themselves. |
Tamsier
Serere heritage. Serere religion. Serere to the end.
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shaka
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 20:39:26
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[quote]Originally posted by turk
"You are still talking about burgers when we talk about apples.
No I have never said that. What I am saying is your president threatened killing the refugees from senegal who happened to be gay. And there is nothing wrong with the nations who may have put economic sanctions as a presure as a diplomatic measure.
Turkish president thretened to invade iraq because there is a direct threat from iraq to Turkey. Economic threat is peacefull measure. Nations have right to do that. But I still don't understand your building relationship with Gambia case and all the iran, turkey, iraq and columbia examples. Sorry but you need to explain again".
Are you a retard or something, I have stated position clearly thinking you have the ability to discern simple English, then i tried to use your own logic to get things into your think skull, what more explanation do you want? Do you want me to use your retard language as well.You justified the Turkish President's decision to invade a sovereign nation and murder innocent people because Turkey felt threatened by Iraq. I justified Jammeh's threat (and only a threat, nobody murdered)on DEFENDING OUR CULTURAL VALUES AND IDENTITY. What part of that don't you understand? So your latest vocabulary is REFUGEE. If Jammeh is so bad to those poor refugees then here is what Turkey does to its refugees:
Defend Asylum Seekers and Refugees in Turkey: msg#00039
Subject: Defend Asylum Seekers and Refugees in Turkey
Hambastegi English Number 120, March 11, 2002
Paper of the International Federation of Iranian Refugees (IFIR)
Editor: Maryam Namazie; Assistant Editor: Javad Aslani
http://www.hambastegi.org
In This Issue:
* Defend Asylum Seekers and Refugees in Turkey, by Keyvan Javid
* Another Eleven Sentenced to Death and Four Women Flogged in Iran
* We will not Budge! About Mona Sahlin and Margareta Winberg's
proposed plan to the Swedish Government, By Mahin Alipour, Parvin
Kaboli, Sara Mohammad, Halaleh Rafeh and Khalil Keyvan
* Free Hadi and Sheikhi
* Sign Petition against UNHCR's Violations of Refugees Rights in
Turkey
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* Defend Asylum Seekers and Refugees in Turkey
Keyvan Javid
On February 28, the International Federations of Iranian and Iraqi
Refugees have initiated a campaign against the United Nations High
Commissioner for Refugees' (UNHCR) anti-refugee policies and in
defence of thousands of Iraqi, Iranian and Afghan refugees and asylum
seekers in Turkey.
Living Conditions
Thousands of refugees and asylum seekers are living in inhuman
conditions in Turkey. They do not receive any financial support from
the UNHCR and are denied access to free health care while their
claims are being determined, a process that could take several years.
Even those eventually recognised by the UNHCR do not automatically
get financial assistance. Add to this the fact that asylum seekers
and refugees are denied the right to work in Turkey and the tragedy
becomes all the more clear. As a result of these policies, asylum
seekers and refugees are faced with dire poverty, serious health
risks, hunger and homelessness.
Legal Status
Upon entry to Turkey, asylum seekers are divided into two groups.
Those without documents are forced to register themselves and live in
towns bordering countries from which they have fled. Fear of being
kidnapped by Islamic states and groups, deported back to persecution,
and brutalised by the Turkish police are main concerns of refugees
and asylum seekers. Those arriving with documentation are transferred
to central towns surrounding Ankara. All refugees and asylum seekers
are denied freedom of movement or the right to choose city of
residence. They are denied the right to organise and protest;
activists, especially those linked with the International Federations
who become known to the authorities are often harassed and
threatened. The UNHCR benefits from the dispersal policy of refugees
which impedes the right to expression and association. Often times,
it is the UNHCR that informs the authorities of refugee protests
which are then met with violence, arrests, and even deportations.
Determination Procedures
Asylum seekers must register with the Turkish authorities within ten
days of arrival otherwise they will be deemed 'illegal' by the
government. They must also register with the UNHCR; the UNHCR and
government determine status separately. Since non-European asylum
seekers and refugees cannot reside permanently in Turkey, they are
only issued temporary stay permits. Those recognised are resettled to
safer third countries.
Determination procedures are extremely long. Those who register with
the UNHCR wait for approximately 4-6 months to be interviewed in the
first instance. At best, a decision is reached on their claim in
another 6 months. Most first instance decisions are rejections. The
UNHCR does not provide reasons for rejection, making it impossible
for asylum seekers to defend their claims. After appeal, asylum
seekers have to wait another several months for a second interview.
IFIR knows of a number of cases that are waiting from one to two
years for a second interview. Often times, case files are closed
without a second interview. During this time, the UNHCR does not
respond to calls or letters of asylum seekers nor advises them on
reasons for these delays. The UNHCR's legal officers, translators and
staff generally treat asylum seekers with contempt.
Join our Campaign
There are innumerable other examples of rightlessness in Turkey. This
intolerable situation must change. We have often witnessed
governments and the UNHCR backing down under the face of
international pressure. Once again, we must send the UNHCR a barrage
of faxes and protest letters demanding that they respect refugee and
asylum rights in Turkey. Undoubtedly, this support and solidarity of
organisations, individuals, labour union and parties, will bring
about critical changes.
* Another Eleven Sentenced to Death and Four Women Flogged in Iran
Eleven political prisoners accused of associating with the Kurdistan
Democratic Party in Iran or Komala have been sentenced to death.
According to Amnesty International, three of them - Muhammad
Sharverani, Khaled Faraidouni and Nader Afani - are believed to be
detained in Mahabad prison. Three others are believed to be held in
Orumieh. They are 27-year-old Hasan Mahmoudi; 50-year-old Khaled
Shoghi, who was reportedly forcibly returned from Turkey and arrested
in 1997, and has reportedly been tortured; and Kheder Viesi. Saleh
Goudarzi is reportedly detained in Sanandaj prison. Jalil Zeva'i was
18 when he was arrested in 1993; he has been in prison ever since,
and has reportedly been tortured. Rasul Abdollahpour was reportedly
arrested in 1994, and Anvar Alizadeh in 1997. Mohammad Esmailzadeh or
Esmaili, aged 35, was reportedly arrested in 1996 or 1997; there is
an unconfirmed report that he suffered a leg injury some time after
he was imprisoned, which still causes him pain, and for which he has
been denied any medical treatment. Also at risk is Mohammad Mehdi
Zaliye, aged 32; he was reportedly arrested in 1992, and is alleged
to be suffering from 'neurological problems caused by brutal mental
and physical torture'. Another five men have recently been condemned
to death in Ahvaz, apparently for opposing the government's policy of
land seizures in the region. They are named as Fadhil Muqaddam, Rahim
Sawari, Amir Sa'idi, Hashem Bawi and 'Abbas Sherhani. Previously, on
27 January, five Arab men were hanged in Ahvaz, southwestern Iran and
on 24 January Karim Tuzhali, a refugee deported from Turkey was
executed in Iran after three years in prison.
Moreover, on March 9, one day after International Women's Day,
officials of the Islamic regime flogged 4 women in the city centre of
Kermanshah for transgressing Islamic rules. The people in the centre
booed officials and forced them to retreat.
The IFIR unequivocally opposes the death penalty and any form of
cruel and inhuman treatment and punishment. The Islamic regime of
Iran must be condemned for executing, imprisoning, flogging, and
torturing innumerable people in Iran.
IFIR calls on progressive organisations and individuals to protest
these inhumane sentences and brutalities by the Islamic Republic of
Iran and intervene to prevent further tragedies. Faced with a wave of
strikes and industrial unrests especially by teachers and nurses, the
Islamic Republic of Iran has stepped up its repressive measures. We
too must step up our pressure against the regime and in defence of
those resisting it.
* We will not Budge!
About Mona Sahlin and Margareta Winberg's proposed plan to the
Swedish Government
By Mahin Alipour, Parvin Kaboli, Sara Mohammad, Halaleh Rafeh and
Khalil Keyvan
Mona Sahlin, the Swedish Minister for Integration, and Margareta
Winberg, Minister of Gender Equality, have eventually announced their
proposal for the Swedish government's action plan in defence of
vulnerable girls in patriarchal and traditional families. The main
themes of this proposal are increasing the minimum age of marriage
from 15 to 18, declaring that the state will side with girls and
young women, that no culture, tradition and religion will have
supremacy over the individual rights of women, increased victim
support, improvements in determining women's asylum claims, and
evaluating further options for integration.
Though the proposed plan ignores many important issues, from our
point of view, the recognition of this extent of demands by the said
Ministers and their acknowledgement of the destructive nature of
culture, religion and tradition (which Swedish politicians have
defended under the pretext of respect for cultures and racist
cultural relativism) is a great victory for those of us who have
fought for these demands for years. We see this as a victory for our
campaign and will insist on the realisation of our other essential
demands and intensify our efforts to this end. For many years, we
have declared our clear, specific and extremely human demands in
defence of women, girls, and children of Islamic, patriarchal, and
traditional immigrant families, have fought for them, and have warned
the government and ruling parties about the abuse of women and
children in these families. It is regrettable that extremely
important and clear demands such as the prohibition of religious
education and schools for children and compulsory veiling for young
girls have been ignored in the proposed plan, thereby overtly
overlooking the fundamental rights of girls and children in these
families.
Ms. Mona Sahlin and Ms. Margareta Winberg only see the tip of the
iceberg - that is they only see honour killings. They turn a blind
eye to a world of physical and psychological abuses, the daily
destruction of the beautiful and natural desires of thousands of
children, the brainwashing of children with religious superstitions
and backward, misogynous ideas, the veiling of children - a symbol of
women's slavery, the denial and discrimination of girls' access to
music, dance and many other games and recreations and innumerable
other forms of daily harassment and abuse of girls and children in
Islamic and patriarchal families. They do not want to accept that
these killings are the outcome and result of the very culture and
religion which a handful of reactionary mullahs are currently
hammering into the heads of innocent children to kill the human
spirit in them and turn them into honour worshipers;. They do not
want to accept that children have no religion, intolerance or
prejudice, and have not registered in any religious sect, are not the
property of their parents and that it is the responsibility of law
and society to protect them from the harm of religion and religious
sects. They do not want to accept that in the heart of Europe they
have succumbed to a religion and a culture that tens of millions of
men and women in Iran, Iraq, Algeria and Turkey despise and are
trying to get rid of from their lives. The politicians and the ruling
parties in Sweden have chosen Mullahs over children.
It would have been better if Ms. Mona Sahlin and Ms. Margareta
Winberg had not capitulated to Islam and the Islamists. Society
requires a fundamental solution and the Ministers do not doubt that
if they chose a principled and radical policy, they would be
supported by the majority of society and immigrants in Sweden. They
did not want to do so. The Swedish government and politicians are an
impediment in the realisation of people's fundamental rights. We,
however, are obliged to defend the civil rights of women, children
and people and will not budge. As the representatives of society's
and immigrants' secular, progressive, modern and pro-equality
elements, and given the extensive support our demands have received,
we will intensify the struggle for the realisation of these demands.
Our demands are so human and clear that is not possible to resist
them for long. We are determined to recapture, step by step, all the
trenches that the Islamists have imposed in European countries in the
context of European states' right wing policies during the Cold War.
In the same way that in countries like Iran we are recapturing much
larger trenches, our movement is more than ever before progressing;
this is clear for all to see.
Once again, we declare our demands and call on all pro-equality,
progressive and children's rights organisations to support our
demands and impel the Swedish government to respect people's
fundamental rights. The time to put an end to medieval laws has
arrived.
1. Immediate prohibition of religious schools and education and in
the meanwhile the inspection of all religious schools, particularly
Islamic schools.
2. Immediate prohibition of veiling of children.
3. Immediate prohibition of children's circumcision and genital
mutilation.
4. An end to all subsidies and government grants and payments to
religious organisations and institutions.
5. Equality before the law for all; the prohibition of reduced
sentences for those who kill or abuse children and women, and the
imposition of a maximum sentence for religious, ethnic and
patriarchal crimes.
6. An end to ghettoisation and the adoption of an active and
immediate policy for the integration of immigrants.
Mahin Alipour, Spokeswoman for the Campaign in Defence of Women's
Right in Iran, Stockholm
Parvin Kaboli, Spokeswoman for the Campaign in Defence of Women's
Right in Iran, Sweden
Sarah Mohammad, Director of 'Never forget Pela'
Halaleh Rafeh, Spokeswoman for the Campaign in Defence of Women's
Right in Iraq, Sweden
Khalil Keyvan, Secretary of the Worker-communist Party of Iran,
Organisation Abroad, Sweden
* Free Hadi and Sheikhi
Mohiaddin Hadi and Salam Sheikhi, two Iranian asylum seekers, have
been detained and imprisoned under inhumane conditions by the
Kurdistan Democratic Party (KDP) in Erbil, Iraqi Kurdistan, for the
past several months. Hadi and Sheikhi are amongst thousands of
Iranians forced to flee the Islamic regime of Iran. Many head towards
the city of Soleimaniyeh to approach the UNHCR office in that city.
This city has increasingly become unsafe for Iranians due to the
collaboration between the ruling party in the region, the Patriotic
Union of Kurdistan, and the Iranian regime. Fearing for their lives,
Hadi and Sheikhi fled to Erbil, only to be arrested by the ruling
party in that city - the KDP.
The International Federation of Iranian Refugees condemns the arrests
and demands that both be released immediately. IFIR holds the KDP and
the UNHCR responsible for their safety and well-being. We call on
groups and individuals to send letters of protest to the KDP, Central
Office: kdppress@xxxxxxx, Fax: +87376160321; European Office:
kdpeurope@xxxxxxxxxxx, Fax: +493079743746; UNHCR office in Iraqi
Kurdistan: irqba@xxxxxxxx; Geneva: hqpr00@xxxxxxxx, Fax: +41227398643.
* Sign Petition against UNHCR's Violations of Refugees Rights in
Turkey
UNHCR Ankara
Sancak Mah.
12. Cadde 212 Sokak No.3
06550 Cankaya
Ankara, Turkey
Tel: +90 312-4411696
Fax: +90 312-4412173
E-mail: Turan@xxxxxxxx
We, the undersigned, condemn the inhuman situation and rightlessness
of Iranian, Iraqi and Afghan refugees and refugee claimants in Turkey
and the UN High Commissioner for Refugees' (UNHCR) treatment and
performance vis-à-vis thousands of refugees and claimants in Turkey.
We demand that the UNHCR 1. Recognise the right to asylum for all
those fleeing Iran, Iraq and Afghanistan, especially women and
children; 2. Recognise Iraq, Iran and Afghanistan as unsafe
countries; 3. Immediately re-open and review all closed case files;
4. Improve the determination procedures, including the disclosure of
the reasons for rejection, increasing the number of appeals and
interviews and expediting reviews; 5. Provide basic living and health
needs for refugees and refugee claimants and their residence in
cities away from the border areas and outside the reach of terrorist
agents; 6. Intervene resolutely against deportations. The UNHCR is
responsible for the threats to the lives and safety of deportees; 7.
Immediately resettle those recognised as refugees to a safe third
country, including those Iranians who have fled Iraqi Kurdistan for
fear of their lives and the inactivity of the UNHCR offices in
Northern Iraq; and 8. Recognise the rights of refugees and claimants
to protest.
Name
Organisation
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Copies of letters can be sent to:
UNHCR Geneva
UNHCR, HQPRO 2, Case Postale 2500
CH-1211 Geneva 2 Depot, Switzerland
Fax: 011-41-22-739-7353
Tel: 011-41-22-739-8643
E-mail: Hqpr00@xxxxxxxx
International Federation of Iranian Refugees (IFIR)
P. O. Box 27236, London N11 27F
Tel: +44 (0) 7730 107 337
ifir@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
http://www.hambastegi.org
Next Issue: Monday 11 March 2002
Maryam Namazie
Executive Director
International Federation of Iranian Refugees (IFIR)
P. O. Box 27236, London N11 27F
Tel: +44 (0) 7730 107 337
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Are you a retard or something, I have stated position clearly thinking you the ability discern simple English, then i tried to use your own logic to get things into your think skull, what more explanation do you want? Do you me to use your retard language as well. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 27 May 2008 : 22:50:29
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| Shaka. I suggest that you should only debate the topics you are familiar. You are not familiar with some political and social issues. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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shaka
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Posted - 28 May 2008 : 00:41:16
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| And when did you became a professor in Gambian culture and politics? Am i smelling censorship here? That's what Lurker was accusing me of. I will never put a limit to how much you can express your opinion about Gambian politics or culture, unless it infringes my right as a Gambian or you are calling for my brother to take up arms against me. Anyway i guess we have exhausted this debate since we clearly understand each other's position. Thank for the debate{that's me extending a handshake). |
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