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turk
USA
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 Posted - 09 May 2008 : 02:27:05
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When I was living in Toronto, one day, early in the morning, I saw the foreign minister of Canada, Bill Graham had chat with him.
There are ministers, for example, in one of the scandinavian countries, the guy takes bike to work. Or Iranian president Ahmedinejat, still eat homecooked meal at work. Our former president used to stop at trafic lights. A police give traffic ticket to Government officials. These are good stuff. Bad stuff happens in Gambia. When I was driving to Banjul. Suddenly I heard the horn and some yelling. The police officer was yelling me to go right and pointing his finger insulting me. I move to right line, but still not enough, the police car come so close to me and push to outside of the road. A gambian inside of my car yell at me, 'move move, they would shoot you'. With the panic I went out of the road and huge convoy pass. My daughter was in the car. Even she started crying all things were happening. I am lucky I did not have accident. People told me this happens all the time. When you see the convoy, everyone must do what I have done.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
Edited by - turk on 09 May 2008 02:33:54 |
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jambo
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Posted - 09 May 2008 : 12:28:51
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turk this will not stop until people stand up and be counted, when the wbole country knows their human rights then this could stop, but till then, Gambians have to stop when there is a convoy.
When the Queen and visiting heads of state arrive they do not stop at traffic lights, that is a matter of security, but they do have front riders on scooters clearing the road, at least 5-10 mins before they come through.
in gambia you can wait uptil 30 mins for the convoy to come through.
PS how was Gambia, are you planning to buy a house there in the next few years, how are the locals.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2008 : 13:52:07
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This trip was disappointment. They charge crazy prices for land. While there is some economic development, socity and the attitudes of gambians were so negative. I was not happy. Money becames people's din and iman.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
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Posted - 09 May 2008 : 14:03:13
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When you have no money yourself and very little chance of getting any when such a chance comes along all reasonable thinking goes out of the window.I think that land must be registered,you only have to look at the disputes that have occoured recently.This Registration should be absolute and concrete and enforcable by law.I know its more regulation but if the game has not been played fair in the past there is no alternative.
I am sorry that your trip was a disappointment.How would you improve things?
Has your recent visit changed the way you think about the Gambia,compared to before your visit?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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turk
USA
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Posted - 09 May 2008 : 14:44:22
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How would I improve things? Easy. Lower your expectations and standards.
I am not sure if Gambians/gambia are changed for worse or I know gambians better now. Yes, I guess previosly I was more holidaying person, now you start dealing with realities, now wonder gambians want to escape from their country.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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toubab1020
12314 Posts |
Posted - 09 May 2008 : 14:57:06
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Originally posted by turk
How would I improve things? Easy. Lower your expectations and standards.
I understand your words TURK,but to use the social workers favorite phrase,"I'snt that just a little too simplistic can you please explain what you mean"?
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"Simple is good" & I strongly dislike politics. You cannot defend the indefensible.
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kaanibaa
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09 May 2008 : 15:01:12
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| Do not give up friend there is always a chance that things will change for the better. Defeatism is not a weakness but an attribute of certain men faced by challenges; who feels it knows it was an adage i questioned.Challenges face human kind every where and in our Dear Gambia what you got was not unique ,it is one of those you could face any where else and giving up is an option but not the only one . I there fore encourage you to keep trying you will succeed at last.Turbulence is so common nowadays , just surf the net search the Television networks worldwide you will see/find all kinds of horrors both man made and natural , but within all that turmoil you find survivors.All is not lost and not every thing or every one is susceptible to loss some will some how get away scotch free but some will succumb to failure which is natural. |
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jambo
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Posted - 09 May 2008 : 19:52:31
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turk some of the things you say are true, gambia has too look inwards for some of their problems, they let outsiders have too much control, who control hotels outsiders, who controls the tourism industry.
Gambia could be self sufficient.
Many of us send money and have sent a small fortune in the past decade but do a isee much benefit no way. How many of us have sponsored students only for them TO THINK IT IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH,
Atitude has to change, why should they look to me for support when I and other could tell many stories of the money being sent for building a house, start business etc, goes on clothes mobile phone.
AS A CHRISTIAN I KNOW GREED IS A SIN, i will let other tell me how the Holy Koran deals with Greed.
i ask this question it will be Tobaski soon, watch the letters/demands/expectations from Gambians towards their families abroad. I have heard of families spending a fortune on this occasion. Will they cut back and kill a goat/chicken something smaler and just have the spirit of the festival, or will they still want to be SHOWING OFF.
As for Good stuff and bad stuff happening this will not change.
NEXT MONTH SEES MANY brits going to Gambia for ROOTS FESTIVAL look at the AMOUNT OF MONEY THEY WILL BRING AND WHAT WILL GET, BUMSTERS nice view of Gambia.
TURK as you say you now have SMELT THE COFFEE.
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 10 May 2008 : 05:36:28
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Well, gambia is not my country. My daughter's. If gambians themselves do want development, there is not much I can do. I have a daughter to take care of. I am not going to waste my time in a country where people on collective suicide mission.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 11 May 2008 : 14:43:48
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Originally posted by turk
..............I am not going to waste my time in a country where people on collective suicide mission.
Please, can you explain a little more |
Clean your house before pointing a finger ... Never be moved by delirious Well-wishers in their ecstasy |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 11 May 2008 : 22:56:20
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| I thought it was obvious. That means gambians collectively want to suicide as a country. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Prince
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Posted - 11 May 2008 : 23:49:20
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Originally posted by turk
I thought it was obvious. That means gambians collectively want to suicide as a country.
Turk, what exactly do you mean, when you say "suicide"? Also, can you cite specific examples and figures to back your claim. In your opinion, how can we avert this calamity....? |
"When injustice becomes law, rebellion becomes duty." |
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turk
USA
3356 Posts |
Posted - 12 May 2008 : 05:42:50
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- Losing Economic Soverignity
- Non existing of Rule of Law
- Citizen is not reacting or even sometimes defend the status quo with a passion.
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diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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Janko
Gambia
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Posted - 12 May 2008 : 08:28:20
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Originally posted by turk
- Losing Economic Soverignity
- Non existing of Rule of Law
- Citizen is not reacting or even sometimes defend the status quo with a passion.
Then, it’s horrific and hopeless there.
You are right friendliness should not be confused with national interest.
With “status quo”, do you mean culture and tradition or the former government?
Why do you keep on returning to a country in the threshold of collective suicide and why would you have anything to do with the presidency of such hopelessness? Just curious?
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jambo
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Posted - 12 May 2008 : 10:45:33
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Turk is that how you see the situation in Gambia, collective suicide that is a deep statement. 
I never thought that it was suicide mission but did question why they just accepted things as "were", and before anyone buts in things can change for better, but the class divide is very strong, and the tribal loyalties play a big part.
Education plays a major part in this, increase the illeratacy and see how the country reacts. |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 12 May 2008 : 12:53:23
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Janko. Yes it is horrific and hopeless. Collective suicide comes when things are getting worse and Gambians are doing nothing about it. I mean most are still defending the current political situation, some of tradition and culture which are not helping gambians, i.e. HIV cure, FGM, traditional medicine. I will only return there for holidays/visiting family. I want my daughter to know about her the other half. I can't take her half away from her.
Jambo. Absolutely. Ignorance is one of the biggest problem. For example how can a gambian woman involve in politics while most of them can't even read the newspaper. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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