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jambo
3300 Posts |
 Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 11:37:41
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good morning,
can anyone advise, did Sheriff Mustapha Dibba get arrested and if so where is he!! house arrest, jail.
Is there a demonstration planned for the 10th april in Banjul.
It seems strange that we are discussing this, but nothing is on the AU website or embassy web page
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serenata
Germany
1400 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 13:10:46
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| As far as I know, Sheriff M. Dibba has been arrested. |
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burangconteh
12 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 15:48:27
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Sheriff Dibba deserved more than a single arrest, ís there more sycophant than Dibba. Dibba betrayed all saundry who in the passed rallied behind him, just suddently turn to be another government chief Jaliba. He deserved more than what he got. All of them has been warn throughout. They are lining for a job, while hanging them selves everyday. For Sheriff Dibba, Jammeh has done the right thing infront of the whole world, what a betrayer deserve is to disgraced him in front of the saundry.
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 15:59:02
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Burangconteh ; the fact that S.M. Dibba decided to work with the APRC cannot legitimize his arrest. He has a right to political association of his choice. His arrest should be grounded in wrong doing.Our democracy needs to protect even those we disagree with.
Thanks. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 18:57:19
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You are right Kayjatta. People should have a right to choose any party an so is Ousainou, Hamat, Halifa, Waa, OJ etc. What we need is to have people good at convincing the electorate to buy their programmes. May be NADD lacked that and i think it also lacked a unifying base and figure that all could trust.
Politics is about trusting someone who could deliver on your behalf since all of us cannot be in the parliament to discuss issues. If that is not available in one party, then you should be free to look somewhere else and that includes all of us. If for some reason the APRC follows what i think is important, i should be free to join the party. Democracy does not limit peoples freedoms to affiliate nor does it suffocate the right to assembly or speech. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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taalibeh
Gambia
336 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 19:20:11
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Mr Dibba with all his political experience should have realised the smeared state of the jammeh government at the time of his chance to join the government and abstain from getting involve. He came in when jammeh had too much accusations of horrible wrong doings and this should have served as a warning for him.
To me the man had and unshakeable integrity proir to his involvement with the government. He is the only one, as far as I know, who resigned from a government as a result of family involvement in crimes against the state. He should not have let anything affect his reputation. His expereince should have taught him that jammeh is not the kind of guy to be associated with.
We all have the right of choice but it is worth carefully scrutinising ones choice. I personally think that Mr Dibba made the wrong choice. I think it is also worth revisiting his past record on his post to see if he had been there for jammeh or the country. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 19:23:11
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| You are right taalibeh and i am going to post a new topic on the legacy of sheriff Dibba |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
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taalibeh
Gambia
336 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 19:24:57
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| That is welcome Kondorong. Looking forward to it. |
Taalibeh |
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rah
117 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 20:00:42
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| Yeh, me 2222222222222222222, yehrah |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 21:59:53
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| Talibeh : you may be right , but Dibba's "misjudgment" for working with APRC cannot be a basis for jubilating or endorsing his arrest as Burangconteh would like to .That kind of sentiment defeats democracy.Dibba's decision ,(in this case) wrong or right is his entitlement despite his long years in the opposition.This, we need to understand as proponents of democracy. |
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taalibeh
Gambia
336 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 22:47:22
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Kay, I am not, for a bit, jubilating for the arrest of Dibba or any body. I will only jubilate when yaya is brought to book. Period.
Please let us not jump to conclusion. This is the bantaba and we need to carefully listen to each and everyone's comments and statements.
My assertion is that for Dibba to preserve his integrity he could have avoided working with the extremely smeared jammeh's government.
I can honestly state that if a friend of mind ask me for advice to work with jammeh, I will never hesitate to advise against it. How many people have you known that have had a close and long working relationship? We need to be receptive to each others views. I REPEAT, I AM NOT HAPPY FOR ANYONE'S DOWNFALL. I will only be happy when jammeh falls because he has brought untold suffering upon a large number of decent people.
Democracy was not designed for one person but the masses. |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 07 Apr 2006 : 23:17:46
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Talibeh:
I did not say that you are jubilating or endorsing Dibba's arrest.This is what I said:
" ...Dibba's "misjudgment" for working with APRC cannot be a basis for jubilating or endorsing his arrest as Burangconteh would like to..."
I did not also object to anyone airing his/her views.I love freedom of speech.My worry is that why would Dibba's involvement with APRC be an issue at this time when his democratic rights are probably being infringed upon.
My statements are particularly made in context of Burangconteh's writing. You probably need to refer to Burangconteh's piece above.
Thank you. |
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 08 Apr 2006 : 00:38:24
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Originally posted by kayjatta
My worry is that why would Dibba's involvement with APRC be an issue at this time when his democratic rights are probably being infringed upon.
Kayjatta
Personally i dont think his arrest has anything to do with him being discussed per se. It is unfortunate that there is a coincidence. I think a lot of the electorate had problems with Sheriff for refusing to join proposals in the 1996 and 2001 elections and his eventual alliance with APRC.
I must admit he has every right to chose his party just like anyone here has the right to elect and be elected in accordance with the electoral laws of the Gambia. However, i think those rights go with responsibilities. if one abuses ones rights, society had always found ways of dealing you. That is why courts are set to protect the rights of offended and to show the agressor how to be a responsible citizen.
I think Sheriff is an issue now because it appears that the two bed fellows are at each others throat being the only party to rally behind yaya. It is strange that yaya will now show him the boot. Sheriff supported a party that is well known to deny people their basic freedoms and is now caught in the same quagmire that has befallen on all gambians.
He is not yet on record to denounce this government especially in his capacity as speaker of the House and being the second in line after yaya according to constitutional arrangement unless yaya has changed it as is always done. Infact there was a court proceding in which the Clerk of the national Assembly who should have copy of the constitution could not tell if what he brought to court was a draft or an approved copy. The case appeared in one of the news papers some years back and they had to adjourn to clarify beacuse one of the attorneys objected to the copy. The constitution should not be a subject of uncertainty and should be clear to every gambian.
I do not blame him for any thing that has befallen him but he also cannot blame anyone for he chose his associates as a matured and responsible Gambian. This is why brother martin said that "...injustice any where is a threat to justice every where .....". We have to be each others keeper because democracy thrives on vigilance and has a lot of enemies ready to suffocate it.
We started looking at political leaders and yaya was also discussed including jawara.
Sheriff is now on the radar and next week i hope to put something up on Kelepha Samba and Farimang Singhateh. The last two have influenced gambian politics a lot and very little is yet known or written about them other than the positions they held.
Personally i know very little about them and hope people will contribute especially in the case of Farimang Singhateh who was the last Governor General prior to being a Republic and a gambian for that matter. This is a strange combination for a man educated enough to understand the cries of his people from the shackles of bondage and imperialism. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
Edited by - kondorong on 08 Apr 2006 01:32:49 |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 08 Apr 2006 : 22:59:29
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Kondorong and Talibeh:
Here is Burangconteh's statement and you can refer to it in his above writing:
"Sheriff Dibba deserved more than a single arrest, ís there more sycophant than Dibba. Dibba betrayed all saundry who in the passed rallied behind him, just suddently turn to be another government chief Jaliba. He deserved more than what he got."
This is the statement that bothers me and I wrote in context of that.The fact that Dibba allied with APRC against the wishes of his constituents does not make him a criminal (for arrest ) or disqualify him for democratic protection.
Let me ask you guys a simple question :If the government of the Gambia changes and Jammeh finds himself under arrest, wouldn't we allow him due process of law despite all the allegations of his criminal wrongdoing? Wouldn't we allow him presumption of innocence until found guilty in a competent court of law ?
Despite Dibba's alledged betrayal of Gambians ( according to Burangconteh) he , like others deserve the full support and sympathy of all democratically minded people during this time that he is a probable victim of arbitrary arrest and detention without charges.
To shy away from this fact is contrary to the rule of law and freedom.
Thanks.
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kondorong
Gambia
4380 Posts |
Posted - 10 Apr 2006 : 19:09:06
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Kayjatta, i would recommend that you watch the movie titled "THE gods must be crazy". You will find the answer why sheriff will not have sympathy from many quarters in the gambia. Pay particular attention to the part where a soldier was reading the Geneva Conventions to his captors.The movie is based in the Kalahari Bushmen in Namibia.
In international law, you only qualify for an asylum if you were not involved either directly or indirectly in crimes against humanity. Sheriff signed a deal with the devil and he is now tasting what everyone had complained of. To now look for sympathy is a non starter and personally, i will allow due process of the law but he will not have my sympathy as a victim. Sherriff is the second in line and speaker of the house and yet there were many arbitrary arrests and inhumane treatments while he was in office and yet he kept quiet just to line his pockets. Injustice to the opposition members is a threat to justice even to APRC memebrs. Ask baba Jobe.
I have just heard that he is released. I hope that is the truth and hope this time he will stand up for justice as he had always been known. We all make mistakes in life but he need to be careful otherwise he will tarnish his legacy. He earned a lot of respect in Gambian politics and i have personally attended many of his rallies and admired him then. |
“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” |
Edited by - kondorong on 10 Apr 2006 19:12:37 |
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kayjatta
2978 Posts |
Posted - 11 Apr 2006 : 00:10:27
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Kondorong :
I am glad to hear that Dibba might be released .Do you know what is the basis for his release without charges apparently ?
I have never admired or supported Dibba and NCP, unlike you.I have always thought that Dibba and NCP , like other opposition parties except PDOIS were offshoots of PPP and had no alternative policies .
My defence of Dibba , and other victims of arbitrary arrests and detentions in the Gambia is a pure defence of democracy and the rule of law.If we claim to be democratic and just we must act better than those who are not , otherwise we risk becoming like them. Even if we capture our enemy , a tyrant , our oppressor we must still afford them the benefits of democracy and due process of law.Doing so, serves the very ideals we uphold and makes our society a better place for tolerance rather than hate and vengeance.How can one divorce the cases of Alieu Jobe , Daba Marenah , Laye Conteh , Ms. Denton , and others from that of Dibba ?
I would have been much happier if Dibba is charged and brought to court rather than released without charges , because releasing him without charges after days or weeks in detention has already done damaged to justice.
Halifa Sallah said back in 1994 in a packed court room that "justice and mercy are twins".
In Homer's words "after the event even the fool is wise " because the real casualty of all these events in the Gambia is good governance ; democaray is at stake.
God bless you guys. |
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