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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 23:06:15
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Originally posted by turk
sorry for asking comparison analysis of only gambian and turkish men which causes so much mess. I should have included british men too (they would probably less favorite ones i guess) so bev and hz. princess would have some common.
Pmlllllllllll Turk now that would have been a riot   |
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turk
USA
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Posted - 22 Sep 2008 : 23:17:07
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or would be good one for the british ladies. Chances you and bev, british ladies, would have a lots of common and displeasure of british men. (but this potentially, put lurk and 2bab offensive position) :)
p.s. As a turkish men, I am proud that the newspaper refered us as "very decent". That is the difference between us and the others. |
diaspora! Too many Chiefs and Very Few Indians.
Halifa Salah: PDOIS is however realistic. It is fully aware that the Gambian voters are yet to reach a level of political consciousness that they rely on to vote on the basis of Principles, policies and programmes and practices. |
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Sep 2008 : 08:15:48
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Most British men are decent, hardworking family men, contary to what our papers would have us believe.
Some drink too much, some smoke too much, some are unfaithful, some are work shy, some gamble, some are violent etc....
The street culture of yobbish drunken behaviour tends to belong to the younger people in our society.
Somehow the majority make the transition into adulthood around the age of 25 - 30....settle down with a partner and have children.
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njucks
Gambia
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Posted - 23 Sep 2008 : 15:20:33
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Originally posted by lurker
........madiba is still blissfully ignorant of bev's , .... shame he has to be so obdurate in his defense of his own shortcomings when it comes to understanding bev's posting. his continued defense merely compounds his lack of grasp of this posting.
This Bantaba is interesting.
It reminds me of an on-going debate in which the mandinka/wollof word TOUBAB is perceived to be derogatory by some. SLUMMING IT is/shouldnt be subject to the same understanding/misunderstanding?
Madiba, you are entitled under British Law (Race Relations Act of 2000) to consider as a victim of Lurker's view of your knowledge of english as a Racist Incidentonly if you percieve it to be. |
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serenata
Germany
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Posted - 23 Sep 2008 : 15:43:21
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Originally posted by lurker
this is the umpteenth time where it becomes clearer that there is a huge difference between having a basic grasp of english and then actually understanding it.
english is not about vocabulary syntax,and grammar alone. it usage has nuance, sarcasm, inflection, intonation and humour, if you can use it or, see it when it is being used.
Lurker, the same is true for every other language. I was so pleased about my husband's quick understanding of German; he catches even the most subtle connotation. This is really remarkable. |
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black orchid
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Sep 2008 : 16:12:09
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Originally posted by njucks
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Originally posted by lurker
........madiba is still blissfully ignorant of bev's , .... shame he has to be so obdurate in his defense of his own shortcomings when it comes to understanding bev's posting. his continued defense merely compounds his lack of grasp of this posting.
This Bantaba is interesting.
It reminds me of an on-going debate in which the mandinka/wollof word TOUBAB is perceived to be derogatory by some. SLUMMING IT is/shouldnt be subject to the same understanding/misunderstanding?
Madiba, you are entitled under British Law (Race Relations Act of 2000) to consider as a victim of Lurker's view of your knowledge of english as a Racist Incidentonly if you percieve it to be.
LOL Njucks, I was waiting for that one ..... I am surprised Madiba didnt get there before you |
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faderabraham
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Posted - 23 Sep 2008 : 17:30:29
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I AGREE BUT HOPE THEY DONT THINK WITH THERE LITTLE HEAD ...L.O.L...quote:
Originally posted by kayjatta
How about the European old men who vacation in Africa and elsewhere in the tropics and pursue young girls?
How about us, Africans (Gambians) in the diaspora who also vacation or visit home and prey on young girls, who normally would not accept us but for our status as "semesters"?
In all of these cases there is a heavy price to pay...
But the golden key, as others have already said, is to use your head and not your heart...
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
3091 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2008 : 19:21:33
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I really dont think this is a topic for humour AT ALL! |
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lurker
509 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2008 : 20:07:31
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Originally posted by njucks
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Originally posted by lurker
........madiba is still blissfully ignorant of bev's , .... shame he has to be so obdurate in his defense of his own shortcomings when it comes to understanding bev's posting. his continued defense merely compounds his lack of grasp of this posting.
This Bantaba is interesting.
It reminds me of an on-going debate in which the mandinka/wollof word TOUBAB is perceived to be derogatory by some. SLUMMING IT is/shouldnt be subject to the same understanding/misunderstanding?
Madiba, you are entitled under British Law (Race Relations Act of 2000) to consider as a victim of Lurker's view of your knowledge of english as a Racist Incidentonly if you percieve it to be.
you think that madiba's misunderstanding of an english phrase, which he then translates as an offense and humiliation to his entire race and nationality , is racially offensive to him!? you are actually the most obliquely sighted poster on this forum.
now, am i missing your irony, like madiba missed bev's? |
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lurker
509 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2008 : 20:10:06
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Originally posted by serenata
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Originally posted by lurker
this is the umpteenth time where it becomes clearer that there is a huge difference between having a basic grasp of english and then actually understanding it.
english is not about vocabulary syntax,and grammar alone. it usage has nuance, sarcasm, inflection, intonation and humour, if you can use it or, see it when it is being used.
Lurker, the same is true for every other language. I was so pleased about my husband's quick understanding of German; he catches even the most subtle connotation. This is really remarkable.
...which makes it all the more sad when someone cannot pick up on these things.... and then accuses the poster of degrading an entire nation because he missed the point! |
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black orchid
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23 Sep 2008 : 22:10:26
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Originally posted by gambiabev
I really dont think this is a topic for humour AT ALL!
well I certainly wasnt laughing at you Bev, I was laughing at myself as I knew that 2000 race relations act would come back to haunt me.
I actually thought "madiba" and "sab" were teasing you/winding you up. I never thought for one moment they were being serious. I thought it was "tongue in cheek", but then again I am not familiar with the "characters" that frequent this forum. Are madiba and njucks some sort of double act?
I am tired of this site, too many egos, who think far too much of themselves. |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
464 Posts |
Posted - 23 Sep 2008 : 22:53:16
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Originally posted by njucks
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Originally posted by lurker
........madiba is still blissfully ignorant of bev's , .... shame he has to be so obdurate in his defense of his own shortcomings when it comes to understanding bev's posting. his continued defense merely compounds his lack of grasp of this posting.
This Bantaba is interesting.
It reminds me of an on-going debate in which the mandinka/wollof word TOUBAB is perceived to be derogatory by some. SLUMMING IT is/shouldnt be subject to the same understanding/misunderstanding?
Madiba, you are entitled under British Law (Race Relations Act of 2000) to consider as a victim of Lurker's view of your knowledge of english as a Racist Incidentonly if you percieve it to be.
Njucks one of my first postings provoked a statement about how some members of the bantaba have anti west sentiments and seemed to suggest of an anti west bashing board for want of a better word.
In fairness there had previously been some unfavourable threads and I could see where that criticism come from.
I said then criticism is only good if it can be delivered constructively and lessons can be learned from it, destructive criticism serves no purpose but to undermined and destroy.
But recently there seems to be regular negativity spewed out about Gambia its almost like a upmanship.
If anyone dare challenge or attempt to enlighten or educate then the response is equally negative. Charges of not knowing the command of the English Language, attitudes like, well despite what the rest of the world thinks i think this so to hell with it or just a constant array of taking postings out of their original context to give a new and unjust context is on going.
Confrontation for confrontations sake maybe
Your Toubab example above is pertinent it seems to be a case of...
do as I say not as I do. |
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Bodwick
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Sep 2008 : 04:06:34
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It’s what makes this site so difficult to work with. The time it takes to decipher the near unintelligible rubbish that’s posted with the full expectation that everyone will understand what amounts to gobbledygook is often an area of much mirth to me. Then a simple comment is jumped on as if it’s an insult worth going to war over. Pathetic, and an outrageous undeserved assault against Bev.
As for mistaking ‘slum it’ still, after it’s been explained quite clearly displays an ignorance that’s typical of the ‘new Gambia’ type alpha male. Rude and aggressive and like a child shouting to be loudest above other quieter voices, very annoying. I don't know why western women waste their time on 99% of Gambian men as this near manic attitude seems to be deep within them.
We all make spelling mistakes and it’s easy to misunderstand a persons meaning when reading a hastily posted reply, but the venom displayed by Gambians here shows the level of aggression simmering just under a few peoples supposedly calm exterior. Visible in the tourist area and seen by many who try to enjoy a quiet holiday it’s a bit like meeting people who belong in an episode of the Twilight Zone. Like moths drawn to the lights of the coastal resorts. ‘Bumster tries to turn another man's ability to make money into a money-making scheme and fails then gets annoyed’ It would make a nice episode called maybe ‘Nice to be Nice’. It's along way from American Gigolo down on the strip...
Oh, of course it’s slumming it to stay in a compound. Let’s be honest it’s slumming it when you stay in quite few of the hotels if you really look around.
And for the Toubabs who know just how bad it can get, I’ll be slumming it again at Ngala Lodge this year. Suffering under the pressure of breakfast in bed and lazing by the pool without a bumster in sight.
I’m sure you are all very annoyed at this type of slumming but someone has to go to these places and suffer the hardship of relaxing after working all year.
Over in the UK we don’t get time to sit around drinking tea and wasting the day away as some Gambian men manage, so we have to rest on holiday even if that means slumming it! This recharges the batteries for the hectic life in the real world where people don’t complain endlessly about Toubabs nor get so annoyed with a simple forum post as to warrant a reply such as this….
Tally ho…
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A human being should be able to change a diaper, plan an invasion, butcher a hog, conn a ship, design a building, write a sonnet, balance accounts, build a wall, set a bone, comfort the dying, take orders, give orders, cooperate, act alone, solve equations, analyze a new problem, pitch manure, program a computer, cook a tasty meal, fight efficiently, die gallantly.
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gambiabev
United Kingdom
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Posted - 24 Sep 2008 : 08:46:42
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Bodwick. How many times did you say slumming it?!
Most of my friends have 2 weeks holiday abroad a year if they are lucky to afford it. Most want to stay somewhere nice and easy. Comfortable and clean. Some like luxury too.
Some like 'slumming it' to get the REAL experience of the place.
SOme stay in Uk and going camping or caravaning.....now that is REALLY slumming it in my eyes! LOL!
Bodwick. I love Gambia and the Gambian people I help a little along the way. This forum is starting to put me off. I post alot less than I used to and dont bother to read alot of the postings. I THOUGHT Gambia was going to be part of my future. Now I realise I was mistaken and it isnt going to be. Realities at home and in Gambia have made me have a big rethink. I cant afford to go to Gambia this year and next year I have booked a weeks holiday in Sorrento alone to explore the Italian coast. The world is a big place and there are lots of places to explore.
HIZ PRINCESS .......get over yourself! You are here to 'enlighten or educate' PLEASE!!!!
We are all equal on this site. It is a DISCUSSION forum. You come across as superior and patronising. Perhaps that is where the negativity comes from.
You are right that we have discussed things privately and then you seemed very different.
I have decided against doing VSO in Gambia. I need to focus on my own family. My 19 year old and 23 year old daughters still needs my attention and so do my parents. My family comes before my own needs. My family come before helping a strangers family. It has been a difficult decision that suddenly became clear. |
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Hiz Princess
United Kingdom
464 Posts |
Posted - 24 Sep 2008 : 10:00:34
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Originally posted by gambiabev
HIZ PRINCESS .......get over yourself! You are here to 'enlighten or educate' PLEASE!!!!
We are all equal on this site. It is a DISCUSSION forum. You come across as superior and patronising. Perhaps that is where the negativity comes from.
You are right that we have discussed things privately and then you seemed very different.
I have decided against doing VSO in Gambia. I need to focus on my own family. My 19 year old and 23 year old daughters still needs my attention and so do my parents. My family comes before my own needs. My family come before helping a strangers family. It has been a difficult decision that suddenly became clear.
I'm no different Bev, but you definitely are.
I was talking in genral not me in particular agan you make assumptions. I have never made a suggestion of being superior or someone else being so, I'm intidimated by no one, everyone has a voice its whether or not you choose to listen.It is not only educators who can educate.
I have Gained knowledge from a few here ,my minds never closed.
Read what you will into my postings it gives me a source of entertainment.
It seems that you need to get over me Bev 
I think I now understand where you hostility lies, Bev it is your problem not mine. I have no malice against you.
So I will continue to post an you can respond as you see fit ,it makes no difference to me or my life, but as this issue is not a public forum issue and people are posting in response without knowing what's really going on this is my last posting on the subject.
Incidentally mabe putting the VSO on the back burner is the right choice for you at this present time in your life. I wish you well in you future plans (said as unpatronising as I can in font!!!)
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